Hi there,
I'm just curious of how the chemical structure of testosterone enanthate is? If someone could describe it in terms of hydrogen etc that would be great.
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Hi there,
I'm just curious of how the chemical structure of testosterone enanthate is? If someone could describe it in terms of hydrogen etc that would be great.
Just google testosterone enanthate and you will find all the info you need.
I'm not too good with chemistry. Looks like C26H40O3. Got this from wikipedia. I'm not sure of the bonding. Which are hydrogen and which are covalent bonds? I would assume covalent but am not sure how the structure operates. Why is the shape that it is? And how does this molecule fit into where in the human body for men?
Kidding?
First it follows a standard "steroid skeleton" ring structure,
4 rings where 3 are 6C rings, and one is a 5C ring.
(None of the rings are aromatic, unless when T is converted to estradiol and the A ring becomes aromatic.
While there are some double bonds in the testosterone molecule,
it's mostly single bonds. Covalent bonds... fuck it.
Google it.
And the enanthate ester is attached at the C17 carbon (in a beta configuration)
It has to be removed for the testosterone to become active.
And it is derived from cholesterol, so naturally it's gonna look pretty similar.
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Originally Posted by DocToxin8
Cracked me up doc.
Then why the question regarding the chemical structure?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrockBadger
No I'm not kidding. I genuinely appreciate the response on this. I feel like I should be more educated on a tough topic like this. So, far I see the 4 rings. 3 are 6C. Does 6C mean cyclohexane? I think this is correct. And the 5C ring is cyclopentane? Got ya, most are covalent single bonds. It looks like enanthate ester is the part thats not attached to the ring structure in the diagram? Is the A ring the first ring where the oxygen is attached it looks like?Quote:
Originally Posted by DocToxin8
It's good to be informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sicko
Well thats ok we got some of it out of the way.
Its quite simple structurally. It has atoms of different shit, chemical bonds, some shit about rings as doc said, molecule... carbons and such...
Other fancy words...
The interesting part is whe you jam it into your receptors and lift heavy objects.
Sorry to be so scientific, I know I am throwing a lot at you at once. You may have to read this a few times before you fully understand.
Do not forget that part about jamming it into your receptors! This is vital info!
You are welcome sir!
Ok, ok, I'm late to the party here but I'll add in as an afterthought;Quote:
Originally Posted by BrockBadger
Understanding the chemical structure of test ain't gonna help you none regarding its effects in the body, there are some generalizations that can be made though. Like aromatic A rings and estrogen receptor affinity, double bonds in the B ring and androgenic potential and so on,
but that's really vague shit really.
But I'll explain a bit further;
Yes the 6C rings are cyclohexane rings, and the 5C ring a cyclopentene ring.
Doesn't really tell you anything at all; except that means it's a steroid;
All steroids follow this rule as a skeleton frame.
The Oxygen atom is in the A ring, and is a ketone in testosterone; a double bond, while it's a single bond to it thus being a hydroxyl group (OH) in estrogen.
The D ring is were the enanathate or any fatty acid is attached,
Or a methyl group is placed in "oral" steroids. (C17 methylated)
All this doesn't really mean jack shit at this level of chemistry though,
but I figure learning is always a good thing.
Just DO NOT extract any knowledge from this that isn't there.
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If you're "not to good with chemistry" what does this matter to you? Please don't take this as me being a jerk, as it is a legitimate question. I did chuckle a little bit, I'm not going to lie. But I don't want to come off as a jerk because I really am not one.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrockBadger
You don't come across as a jerk PT, never seen you do actually.
And my bad for answering an old thread, I've been away for the summer;
(Code; I drank heavily and lost my bearings, and ended up in Ireland)
and someone had liked my response so I clicked and responded further.
The OP is probably long gone.
Nice to "see" you btw! :)
Thanks buddy! When I was asking the OP as to why he was wondering the chemistry behind test e, I thought it might have came across as a smart a$$ comment. But it does perplex me as to why the question was asked. Lol. And the post isn't very old. I'm glad you bumped it so I could see it!Quote:
Originally Posted by DocToxin8
It is great to be back. I know that. I'm still not in the gym yet, as my current health issues aren't fixed, but I'm getting there. Slowly but surely. I have 6 weeks of physical therapy scheduled and an appointment with a rheumatologist. Once it's all figured out, I'm going to run a BIG, fat blast and hammer down in the gym to make up for these lost 6 months! Lol
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Originally Posted by DocToxin8
I'm just hoping there's not a test at the end of this thread.....
Can you believe Doc is a "knowledgable member"Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
I mean really...
What a flunky.
My explanation was way more in depth.
You lost me at A rings...My mind instantly went to those chewy green & white apple flavored gummy candy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocToxin8
Impressive though.
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Originally Posted by DocToxin8
Nice way cool. Let me look over this in more detail it's explained pretty clear. There will be a test at the end of this. I thought this thread was going to die but I'm back.
I admire chemistry. That is the reason. Were you always good at weight lifting? Maybe I'm not good at it but just like it. You guys thought I just bailed out on the thread huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by PT1982
He wants a test tattoo...
awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by obspowerstroke
Prediction of next post by BadBadger:
"During gyno surgery, the doctor promised to cut my heart out. I don't think I'll need it. What would be the ramifications?"
Just google "steroid skeleton" and you'll get an explanation of what we call ;
A, B, C and D rings. It's just nomenclature since there's 4 rings in a steroid skeleton.
Now that's something a steroid only mean that it has this skeleton structure.
So examples of steroids can be;
-cholesterol (from which the body makes other steroids)
-testosterone (and other androgens)
-estrogen (all natural estrogens have a steroid skeleton,
you then got phytosteroids from plants, and you got chemicals with "steroid-like" effects, f.ex estrogen mimickers. These does not need to have steroid skeleton.
-cortisol and other glucocorticoids; inflammation and blood sugar, etc
-mineralcorticoids; affect the kidneys, blood pressure
So a "steroid" can mean quite a lot.
In medicine, the term "steroid" applies to glucocorticoids like cortisol (or its pre drug cortisone),
while you'd say "anabolic (androgenic) steroid" if you mean AAS.
or simply "sex steroids" for estrogens, progesterone, androgens..
If you delve into chemistry you can sometimes say some very general stuff just from looking at the structure, but will often be suprised.
But an aromatic A ring would make me think "that looks estrogenic"
Yeah, I'm kind of a testosterone worshipper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Couchlockd
I agree Obs- no disrespect Doc. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke
I wish that I had teachers like you.
I had a chemistry set,when i was a kid,but once i'd learned to make stink bombs,my interest waned.
We will learn him.Quote:
Originally Posted by charger69
Wrap a ping pong ball in tinfoil. Wrap it such that you get a handle of sorts on one side, the tinfoil right around the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nogbad the bad
Ignite lighter 2 cms under ball while holding the tinfoil handle,
do not come close to where the tinfoil is just a thin layer over the ball.
Hold lighter ignited for about 10-30sec,
when it's say "pssshhhhhhh" and smoke bellows out throw it. (Not cool to throw into somebody's house, shit is toxic.)
Easy peasy.
(And if you feel one doesn't give enough bang,
be inventive: they are very small after all)
Come on doc...... don't provoke Obs.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocToxin8
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Lol its too lateQuote:
Originally Posted by charger69
I understand the chemistry so far of your knowledge... very CoolQuote:
Originally Posted by DocToxin8
Speaking of jamming the testosterone into the receptors. How is this molecule used in the body? Where does it bind to or which receptors does it attach. Basically, how is the molecule used by the body.
https://i.imgur.com/nTCsozM.jpgQuote:
This a really cool graphic that explains how chemists modified testosterone to make all the derivatives we see on the market. Many steroids and prohormones start as test, and then are modified by one or more of these ways. For example, 19-nor steroids like Deca and tren, all remove the angular methyl group(carbon 19). All orals add an alpha methyl group on 17 to enhance bioavailability. Both EQ and Dbol add a double bond between carbon 1-2. Stanazolol attaches a pyrazole ring to the A-ring. Halodrol added a chlorine atom to carbon 4 to protect against conversion to DHT. All injectables add an ester on the OH in carbon 17 to change the delivery time. Attaching a 7alpha methyl group has been shown to greatly enhance anabolic ratio. Superdrol and anadrol add a group to carbon 2 to help protect the crucial C=O on carbon 3 needed for binding. Trestolone added the 7a methyl group to prevent DHT and SHBG binding. There are literally 100s of modifications you can make to change the effects by changing the binding affinity to the AR. I just thought this was cool and maybe can give a little insight on why certain anabolics act the way they do in the body.
REF: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYZHgYEjWRz/?hl=en
Good one. These are the modifications to the testosterone molecule. I don't know what "AR" means. And what if I just want to know how the testosterone with no modifications is used in the body, what it binds to, how it works. This is a pretty cool pic though and description. Way to go tarmyg.Quote:
Originally Posted by tarmyg
dude... testosterone is a natural occuring hormone inthe body. if u wanna know how it works, then id recommend a book. "Testosterone: Action, Deficiency, Substitution". explains all u want to know..Quote:
Originally Posted by BrockBadger
Well look who showed up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemonada8
Op, another book of interest would be Testosterone for Life by Abraham Morgantaler. He's probably the top doc in the country when it comes to understanding testosterone. He's been researching it for about 40 years.
Ok guys that sounds good. I'll check those books out. But I definitely want to hear what Doctoxin has to say. He is very clear in his explanation. Plus its fun.