Winter Bulk Stack

[geezuschrist]

On Dr. prescribed trt, and soon to be finishing up a blast. Gonna give it a few months after my bloodwork to run another. I'm wanting to run a stack, with my first thoughts being test, deca, & dbol. This will be my first stack and wanting to get your input on this. A very rough draft would look like this:

Week 1-14: Testosterone cypionate 250 x2 a week
Week 1-14: Deca 200mg x2 a week
Week 1-6: Dbol 30-50mg a day
Hcg 250iu x2 a week

As I said this is a rough draft and I'm asking for opinions on if this is a good stack to put on quality size or if you all reccomend something else. I've heard of the strength gains being great on this which is a big plus for me because I love lifting heavy.
I'm on trt so no need for pct.

[geezuschrist]

Main questions would be should I run caber the whole cycle? What Ai do you reccomend? I've used arimidex before but nothing else. What's an average Ai dose on this stack? I know test should be higher than deca should I run 500 or 600mg of test and 400 or 300 mg of deca a week? All input is appreciated!

[guitarzan]

I would be hesitant to run more than two compounds on your first stack

[geezuschrist]

I would be hesitant to run more than two compounds on your first stack

Understandable, the reason I'm doing the dbol for 6 weeks is because I didn't really start to feel much until week 5 in my blast. I'd like to kickstart it with the dbol

[guitarzan]

The good thing about dbol is it leaves your system pretty quick. I would say if you do run dbol and deca, don't hesitate to stop the the dbol if you start having issues, should be able to tell pretty quick if it's that or the deca. Personally I have stomach issues with dbol

[geezuschrist]

The good thing about dbol is it leaves your system pretty quick. I would say if you do run dbol and deca, don't hesitate to stop the the dbol if you start having issues, should be able to tell pretty quick if it's that or the deca. Personally I have stomach issues with dbol

Interesting. What are some common dbol issues other than stomach? Thanks for the reply!

[geezuschrist]

I'm also curious as to how deca stays in your blood for 18 months. What exactly would show up on bloodwork that says you've done deca? Just wondering because I'm on trt and do bloodwork every 6 months but wanna be prepared if doc asks me why certain numbers are high. Obviously I'll be off before I do bloodwork but what number would show deca and why 18 months?

[Bio-Active]

Only traces stay in your system so if they test for it they can tell if you had done it for up to 18 months or so

[guitarzan]

Your doctor isn't gonna test for deca

[geezuschrist]

Great, what do you guys think of the amounts of the cycle? What's the expected weight gain with my solid diet? I've been training for 9 years 3 which have been more serious. I built a very good base that started freshman year of high school football. Was up to squatting 405 at 14 years old. I've more recently got back into training heavy this past year and would really like to get into powerlifting. My buddy is a 100% natural power lifter and benches 475 at 240lbs age 23. Pretty crazy but he's been doing it since middle school and doesn't miss a day training and diet is on point. I'd really like to get to benching over 400 in the next 6 months. Right now I'm at 325 at a weight of 225.

[ScotchGuard02]

Great, what do you guys think of the amounts of the cycle? What's the expected weight gain with my solid diet? I've been training for 9 years 3 which have been more serious. I built a very good base that started freshman year of high school football. Was up to squatting 405 at 14 years old. I've more recently got back into training heavy this past year and would really like to get into powerlifting. My buddy is a 100% natural power lifter and benches 475 at 240lbs age 23. Pretty crazy but he's been doing it since middle school and doesn't miss a day training and diet is on point. I'd really like to get to benching over 400 in the next 6 months. Right now I'm at 325 at a weight of 225.

I would run Adex at least .25mg/eod. E2 control is very important when you're running a 19-nor. When I run 19-nor, I run Adex .25mg/ed. I think you're going to have a good cycle. Deca makes me strong. I would be careful about going too heavy too fast while on cycle. Your muscles get stronger much faster than your connecting tissues. You could strain a tendon or ligament. I would stay 85% to 90% max and do sets of 4 to 6 reps. You can calculate your 1RM using any online calculator. It tends to be pretty close.

[geezuschrist]

I would run Adex at least .25mg/eod. E2 control is very important when you're running a 19-nor. When I run 19-nor, I run Adex .25mg/ed. I think you're going to have a good cycle. Deca makes me strong. I would be careful about going too heavy too fast while on cycle. Your muscles get stronger much faster than your connecting tissues. You could strain a tendon or ligament. I would stay 85% to 90% max and do sets of 4 to 6 reps. You can calculate your 1RM using any online calculator. It tends to be pretty close.

Thanks scotch. I'm excited to see where this takes me in strength but I'll definitely give it some time before going heavy!

[geezuschrist]

One more question, should I run caber through the cycle?

[hardgainer1]

Deca dose is a little high compared to Test, rule of thumb is 2/1 or Half the test dose PW-so 500mg test pw w/ 250 deca PW avoid deca dick etc

[hardgainer1]

Only traces stay in your system so if they test for it they can tell if you had done it for up to 18 months or so

I just thought your LOCATION was ORGANON lol

[geezuschrist]

Deca dose is a little high compared to Test, rule of thumb is 2/1 or Half the test dose PW-so 500mg test pw w/ 250 deca PW avoid deca dick etc

You think I should run 500 or 600 of test with 250 or 300 of deca?

[guitarzan]

Maybe start with 250/500 and see how it goes

[kelkel]

Yes, I'd run caber at .25 x 2 per week.
First run with dbol I'd keep it at 30. You don't need 50 imho.

[geezuschrist]

Yes, I'd run caber at .25 x 2 per week.
First run with dbol I'd keep it at 30. You don't need 50 imho.

Thanks I plan to run 500 test 250 deca 12 weeks and 30 dbol for the first 6 weeks

[DGenRit]

One more question, should I run caber through the cycle?

I run Tren and when I do I have caber on-hand. I was told not to run it unless I need it. You do need to do your bloodwork to check your levels intra-cycle. Caber can be pretty harsh - so you may want to think about only running it if needed.

[DGenRit]

Yes, I'd run caber at .25 x 2 per week.
First run with dbol I'd keep it at 30. You don't need 50 imho.

Kelkel - What do you think about only running caber if its needed? I was told by you or another guru on this board while I was taking Tren that caber is pretty harsh and I should only take it if my bloodwork indicates its needed. Thoughts?

[geezuschrist]

I run Tren and when I do I have caber on-hand. I was told not to run it unless I need it. You do need to do your bloodwork to check your levels intra-cycle. Caber can be pretty harsh - so you may want to think about only running it if needed.

How would one know if they need it? Just start to get deca dick and not getting it up? Or would you get the signs of gyno and itchy nips?
I do plan to run it throughout the whole cycle just from my research most seem to say run it with any 19nor. I'd rather not get limp dick while with a girl one night!

[kelkel]

Kelkel - What do you think about only running caber if its needed? I was told by you or another guru on this board while I was taking Tren that caber is pretty harsh and I should only take it if my bloodwork indicates its needed. Thoughts?

If you can stay up on blood work that's fine, as if it's needed it can work quickly. Unfortunately, most guys aren't that consistent with it (BW). Imho, caber is not harsh. That said, anyone can have a bad or unusual reaction to any drug, DA's included, particularly the first time it is used. Personally I run caber most of the year (scripted) at .25 x 2 simply because I like its effects. I'll take a couple months off occasionally.

[geezuschrist]

So I recently had someone reccomend anadrol or abombs instead of the dbol. What do you all think about this? Stick with dbol or abombs?

[guitarzan]

It being your first stack, I would choose dbol over anadrol due to lower side risks. I would even recommend anavar over both of them, if you have a dependable source.

[geezuschrist]

It being your first stack, I would choose dbol over anadrol due to lower side risks. I would even recommend anavar over both of them, if you have a dependable source.

I will probably run dbol but definitely not anavar. I know that's used at lower body fat etc and I'm trying to bulk this cycle