Test E 500 mg. week, my second cycle

Hi guys!

I'm 39 and I'm planning to start my second cycle.
Test cycle: 8 weeks

• Testoviron depot (test enanthate): 500 mg/week for 8 weeks
• Adex: 2 mg/week for 8 weeks
• HCG: 500 IU twice a week for 4 weeks starting from week 5.

PCT: 6 weeks starting from the week following the last test shot.

• Adex: 6 weeks (1.5 mg for 3 weeks and 1 mg for the last 3 weeks)
• HCG: 500 IU twice a week for 2 weeks.

Supplements:

• omega3
• omega6
• Zinc
• green tea
• vitamins A, C, E.

My numbers:
39 years old,
height: 186 cm.
weight: 84 kg.
body fat: 14%
body type: ectomorph
I have a clean diet.

My goal is to develop my back, shoulders, legs, and reduce waist if possible.
So what do u think about this cycle?
Should I use a DHT inhibitor for such a high test dosage?

It's a bit of a mess. I dread to think how badly run your first cycle was.

Run test longer
Run hcg longer
AI dose is likely way too high
Pct badly timed and completely the wrong compounds.

Read this, it explains all

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

I agree with the above bro!

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Originally Posted by Back In Black

It's a bit of a mess. I dread to think how badly run your first cycle was.

Run test longer
Run hcg longer
AI dose is likely way too high
Pct badly timed and completely the wrong compounds.

Read this, it explains all

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

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I was going to say this same thing. He nailed it. Test ran longer, lower the armidex dose, and no armidex during pct. Hcg throughout testosterone cycle, not on pct.

You want your body to be in as normal as possible throughout the process, so hcg is important during the cycle (not including pct) to stimulate LH in hopes your testicles stay full and still properly function. Transitioning into pct, allow your body to do the work and let the serms enable it to happen. Good luck

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Originally Posted by Caesar Avgvstvs

Hi guys!

I'm 39 and I'm planning to start my second cycle.
Test cycle: 8 weeks

• Testoviron depot (test enanthate): 500 mg/week for 8 weeks
• Adex: 2 mg/week for 8 weeks
• HCG: 500 IU twice a week for 4 weeks starting from week 5.

PCT: 6 weeks starting from the week following the last test shot.

• Adex: 6 weeks (1.5 mg for 3 weeks and 1 mg for the last 3 weeks)
• HCG: 500 IU twice a week for 2 weeks.

Supplements:

• omega3
• omega6
• Zinc
• green tea
• vitamins A, C, E.

My numbers:
39 years old,
height: 186 cm.
weight: 84 kg.
body fat: 14%
body type: ectomorph
I have a clean diet.

My goal is to develop my back, shoulders, legs, and reduce waist if possible.
So what do u think about this cycle?
Should I use a DHT inhibitor for such a high test dosage?

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Welcome to the forum. Read BIB's post.

Thanks for your answers guys.
I agree with you regarding to the length of the cycle, so I'll do it for 10 weeks:
Test E cycle
- weeks 1 to 6: 250 mg twice a week
- weeks 6 to 10: 125 mg twice a week
I don't want to use such a high test dosage (500 mg.) for ten weeks in my second cycle.
Regarding to HCG, I'll use it during the cycle.
About Adex... I still want to give a try to my first approach. There's a theory behind this, let me elaborate, and then let me tell you what I did in my first cycle:
I've read lot of articles (most of them from the ncbi database). Adex, like HCG and Clomid are used to treat hypogonadism, but the only drug approved by doctors, as far as I know, is HCG.
At the end of the cycle, the HPTA axis is shutdown because of the excess of testosterone and/or estrogen.
Three to four weeks, after the last test shot, testosterone levels fall below the normal levels for a healthy man. The problem is that without test and with high estrogen levels, the HPTA won't start unless you reduce the estrogen. According to doctor Rand McClain, as soon as the HPTA detects the fall in test levels it will start again naturally and soon enough to correct the hormonal imbalance. So, why should I use clomid or nolva if adex is, by far, the best controlling estrogen? Also 2 mg. of adex per week is a very low dosage according with some studies that I've read. There should be no problem with total estrogen suppression, cholesterol, etc.

Here is my PCT experience with a 10 weeks cycle of just 250 mg week of test e.
During the cycle I've used 1.5 mg./week of Adex and HCG 500 IU twice a week
My PCT started the week after the last test shoot, and the length were three weeks using the same amount of Adex.

My results:
During cycle I felt awesome, my shoulders got HUGE, and I went from 84 kg. to 88 kg. (eat a lot with a clean diet)
During PCT I felt the same as in the cycle.

Negative symptoms that I've experienced after PCT (4th week after the last test shot)
- very, very slightly (minimal) estrogen rebound (nothing to be worried about)
- change in my libido that lasts two weeks (that's normal because I was high on test)
- the urgency to pee and just a few drops, lasts two weeks

I'm pretty satisfied with these results guys, why should I add two more drugs to my cycle (clomid, nolva)?

Remember, this is only a testosterone enanthate cycle.

2nd cycle goes something like this

Test e 250x2 pw
Adex .25 mg eod starting dose you may require more
Hcg needs to be run during cycle not in pct

Pct will consist of clomid and nolvadex, read the pinned stickies all you need to know to get staighten d out

Did you really read the link I gave and understand it?!?!

good luck is all I can say. All the best.

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Originally Posted by Back In Black

Did you really read the link I gave and understand it?!?!

good luck is all I can say. All the best.

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Obviously not. Caesar re-read the link you were given and follow it. Don't try to make it up on your own please. And I'm still waiting to see a pct plan. What you're listing is not pct.

Thanks for the links guys, this is my cycle and PCT revisited, as I said, I don't want to use 500 mg of test for ten weeks in my second cycle, I'm just using more test than in my previous cycle.

week| Testoviron (test e) | Adex | HCG
1 | 250 twice/week | 2 mg/week |
2 | 250 twice/week | 2 mg/week |
3 | 250 twice/week | 2 mg/week | 500 IU/twice week
4 | 250 twice/week | 2 mg/week | 500 IU/twice week
5 | 250 twice/week | 2 mg/week | 500 IU/twice week
6 | 250 twice/week | 2 mg/week | 500 IU/twice week
7 | 125 twice/week | 1.5 mg/week | 500 IU/twice week
8 | 125 twice/week | 1.5 mg/week | 500 IU/twice week
9 | 125 twice/week | 1.5 mg/week | 500 IU/twice week
10 | 125 twice/week | 1.5 mg/week | 500 IU/twice week

PCT (two weeks after the end of the cycle):
-Nolvadex: 40/20/20/20
-Clomid: 75/50/50/50
Also I'll taper of adex at 1 mg/week until PCT starts.

Regarding to DHT, three weeks after the end of my first cycle (250 mg/week test e for 10 weeks) I've experienced a kind of BHP symptom, the urgency to pee just for a few drops. Sometimes I've to wait a minute or two until the pee starts. This symptom lasted about two weeks.

Is this a common symptom during/after cycle? (By the way I didn't do blood tests for my first cycle, for the second I'll do it).
Should I use finasteride on cycle (maybe a low dosage)?
Are there a natural alternative to avoid these symptoms? I've read that zinc, omega fatty acids and green tea are good choices, what do u think about?

Dude, you need to do some research.

Cycle is to short, and your pct is non existent. Adex wont help.

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Originally Posted by Eduke93

Dude, you need to do some research.

Cycle is to short, and your pct is non existent. Adex wont help.

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Actually, his PCT is probably the only good thing about his cycle.

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Originally Posted by Back In Black

Actually, his PCT is probably the only good thing about his cycle.

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I've read the link u suggested (btw excellent post ). It seems that I will use less test and more adex than suggested for a newbie cycle. Maybe I'll adjust the test dosage based on my body response. This is my second cycle, I prefer to be cautious.

Literally just do what it says in the my first cycle sticky. I don't know why you're even asking questions it's simple!