Tbol

[Sh0tsf1red]

Hello all

I came across some tbol a while back and have been holding on to it, 100 tabs or so. I've been waiting to give it a try but have found conflicting information.

I've heard some people use it to kick off a cycle like dbol and can also be used at the end of the cycle to cut. I've ran a dbol/test cycle in the past and had good results but a lot was water.

My cycle now usually consists of test c/tren a in the beginning and then ending with test/tren/mast. Would tbol make sense to add in at some point or would it be better to build a cycle around it?

Thanks for the feedback.

[PT1982]

What are the tabs dosed at? I would plan to go around 6 weeks at least. And for your first time I would say 50-60mgs would be a great dose. I find that I can use much less tbol than anavar and still get similar results. I still prefer anavar much moreso, but tbol is a nice and less expensive way to get similar results. It doesn't have the same effect as anavar does on collagen repair, but visually it's very close. When I use anavar I like 100mgs daily. With tbol, I like 50-80mgs. I usually will stay to the lower dose with it since it is derived from dbol because dbol murders my lipids and liver values. Not that tbol will act in the same manner, I just get good results off of that dose and there really isn't any reason for me to risk it by going any higher.

[Sh0tsf1red]

What are the tabs dosed at? I would plan to go around 6 weeks at least. And for your first time I would say 50-60mgs would be a great dose. I find that I can use much less tbol than anavar and still get similar results. I still prefer anavar much moreso, but tbol is a nice and less expensive way to get similar results. It doesn't have the same effect as anavar does on collagen repair, but visually it's very close. When I use anavar I like 100mgs daily. With tbol, I like 50-80mgs. I usually will stay to the lower dose with it since it is derived from dbol because dbol murders my lipids and liver values. Not that tbol will act in the same manner, I just get good results off of that dose and there really isn't any reason for me to risk it by going any higher.

They are 10mg tabs

[PT1982]

I would get more if you wanted to do it right. While I don't think short ester compounds need a kickstart, I suppose you could start what you have for 3 weeks if you did a short ester cycle. I just don't see the need for it. I think you'll like tbol, so I'd go ahead and get enough for 6 weeks. And I'm not a fan of using tbol, anavar, or winstrol to kick start a cycle. I think they're better used to finish off a cycle. That's my preferred way. Now if I'm wanting to do a full out bulk, I'll sometimes start an oral at the beginning. But it'll be dbol or anadrol, if anything. I'm just not into getting quick results these days. I used to want results after the first pin, but as I've gotten older (and hopefully wiser), I prefer to take my time and let the results come on as they will.

[DocToxin8]

I like TBOL and would mix it with most anything, just not with other orals.
(Well, actually i even so that, like 25mg drol, 20mg TBOL plus test, as feel that works good and doesn't give the sides a higher dose of drol would,
but that's really another thing altogether)

100x10mg won't do you much, but I find that small doses of orals with test and other injectables work really great.
BUT, I'm a TRT, uh, well, blast/cruise idiot, so that changes things really.
For me, adding in 20mg TBOL for 50 days IS a viable option,
though that's really not something I'd recommend anyone doing cycles.

I'm content with the lowest possible dose (but for longer times) than what someone who's still got their endocrine system in check would do.

So, as far as cycles, I'd say get some more tabs,

[PT1982]

I like TBOL and would mix it with most anything, just not with other orals.
(Well, actually i even so that, like 25mg drol, 20mg TBOL plus test, as feel that works good and doesn't give the sides a higher dose of drol would,
but that's really another thing altogether)

100x10mg won't do you much, but I find that small doses of orals with test and other injectables work really great.
BUT, I'm a TRT, uh, well, blast/cruise idiot, so that changes things really.
For me, adding in 20mg TBOL for 50 days IS a viable option,
though that's really not something I'd recommend anyone doing cycles.

I'm content with the lowest possible dose (but for longer times) than what someone who's still got their endocrine system in check would do.

So, as far as cycles, I'd say get some more tabs,

Being on trt does change things a lot doesn't it! Lol. We do have liberties that would be horrible to advice healthy men to do. But it is good that we can have a different perspective on how to run things. Not that it's a good thing. I would much prefer to not have to rely on trt, but since I do, I wouldn't have it any other way. And I may have to try the tbol/dbol combo you described!

[Ashop]

Hello all

I came across some tbol a while back and have been holding on to it, 100 tabs or so. I've been waiting to give it a try but have found conflicting information.

I've heard some people use it to kick off a cycle like dbol and can also be used at the end of the cycle to cut. I've ran a dbol/test cycle in the past and had good results but a lot was water.

My cycle now usually consists of test c/tren a in the beginning and then ending with test/tren/mast. Would tbol make sense to add in at some point or would it be better to build a cycle around it?

Thanks for the feedback.

TBOL is similar to DBOL but without most of the bloat and water retention that DBOL will show. You could use it either way, a kick start or add it near the end half of your cycle, depending your overall goals.

[guitarzan]

I've been wanting to try that combo too. I bet the strength gains are insane!

[Sh0tsf1red]

I like TBOL and would mix it with most anything, just not with other orals.
(Well, actually i even so that, like 25mg drol, 20mg TBOL plus test, as feel that works good and doesn't give the sides a higher dose of drol would,
but that's really another thing altogether)

100x10mg won't do you much, but I find that small doses of orals with test and other injectables work really great.
BUT, I'm a TRT, uh, well, blast/cruise idiot, so that changes things really.
For me, adding in 20mg TBOL for 50 days IS a viable option,
though that's really not something I'd recommend anyone doing cycles.

I'm content with the lowest possible dose (but for longer times) than what someone who's still got their endocrine system in check would do.

So, as far as cycles, I'd say get some more tabs,

I'm TRT as well, sounds like low dose is in the horizon !

[DocToxin8]

I'm TRT as well, sounds like low dose is in the horizon !

Ok then.
It's a great synergy between C17 alkylated orals and injectables,
but there one big caveat;
Lipids. It will affect lipids so remember to do BW.
My lipids are usually not that bad, even with heavy (what I consider heavy, which isn't that much) use of orals, what happens is that HDL gets down to just within ref range on the lower end, and LDL isn't very high either. So total cholesterol looks very good.

20mg a day won't give any dramatic effects,
but it is enough to feel a noticeable difference for me.
Everyone's different so it might not be your cup of tea.

What I do is that when I have a bulk with more than enough T, and usually some other injectable as well, then adding in just the small dose of oral,
(And I find TBOL quite sweet as for me it seems just as anabolic mg for mg as DBOL really, and with less sides than winny, which I get back aches from)
increases the efficiency of the whole cycle some.
My thinking is that it's because orals cause a higher release of systemic IGF1 than injecting, because of the first pass metabolism.
I also think C17 orals have some other synergy as they don't bind to SHBG and such. I take the whole dose at once when I do this.

I especially notice a harder physique when doing this, more than I notice an increase in size.

[austinite]

Oh tBol. If I still cycled that would be my choice. Love it. Not much to add here.

[PT1982]

I'm TRT as well, sounds like low dose is in the horizon !

Ahhh! I didn't realize you were a trt guy as well. Then a lot of doors are open to you too. Just don't take things lightly because it can be tempting.

[PT1982]

Oh tBol. If I still cycled that would be my choice. Love it. Not much to add here.

WHOA! Hold on a minute sir. Could you shed some light on the subject as to why you don't cycle anymore? I don't mean to be nosey, so if you don't want to answer I do understand that. I've been reading so much of your work since joining and wondered why you haven't been active. I was hoping you hadn't retired from the forum, so I'm very stoked to see you back. If you would rather PM as to not share publicly, I would love to hear your story. And if not, hey, I'll be ok. I'm just glad to see you posting!

[Sh0tsf1red]

Ahhh! I didn't realize you were a trt guy as well. Then a lot of doors are open to you too. Just don't take things lightly because it can be tempting.

I have regular follow up and bloodwork with my doctor and have been ok with a few cycles so far, chlorestorol/lipids went high once but got them back to normal by next blood test. Knock on wood, that's been the only issue I've had running cycles with my TRT.

I've noticed that I can get away with lose dose AAS, what I've found to be effective is sometimes half of what others recommend

[ryobi1]

since you have 100 tabs...
just run 4 a day, 2 morn 2 eve same as ana,
thats 25 days worth.... dont forget the liver support.

[austinite]

WHOA! Hold on a minute sir. Could you shed some light on the subject as to why you don't cycle anymore? I don't mean to be nosey, so if you don't want to answer I do understand that. I've been reading so much of your work since joining and wondered why you haven't been active. I was hoping you hadn't retired from the forum, so I'm very stoked to see you back. If you would rather PM as to not share publicly, I would love to hear your story. And if not, hey, I'll be ok. I'm just glad to see you posting!

Hate to HJ the thread for OP. I still blast through TRT once a year or so, but I havent used UGL (and will not) in years. I could never retire from this forum.

PM if you need more detail.

Have a powerful day!

[Sh0tsf1red]

Hate to HJ the thread for OP. I still blast through TRT once a year or so, but I havent used UGL (and will not) in years. I could never retire from this forum.

PM if you need more detail.

Have a powerful day!

How dare you hijack my thread!

Just kidding, thanks for all the info that has become stickies on these boards!!