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    Looking for first cycle guidance - TRT patient

    Hey Gents,

    I am looking to try out my first cycle. I am currently on TRT at 100mg/wk and HCG at 500iu/wk. I wanted to try to up the Test Cyp to 250-300mg/wk and add maybe Dbol at 30mg/ED.
    I would run:
    Week 1-8 - 250-300mg Test
    Week 1-4 - 30mg/ED Dbol

    I would continue my HCG through out at my current dose. How much Anastrazole would I need, if I need any at all?
    As far as PCT, there would be none.
    After the 8th week, I will drop my TRT dose back to 100mg/wk.

    Any additional info would be appreciated.

    Also wondering if I would be able to keep SOME decent gains once off since I will be continuing my TRT regimen.


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    That's true for trt patients or not. Tried and true.

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    Just follow this. You need nothing else. Drop the thought of dbol .
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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982 View Post
    That's true for trt patients or not. Tried and true.
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    Just follow this. You need nothing else. Drop the thought of dbol.
    How is this true for trt patients? It talks about PCT which I clearly do not need.
    I will most likely not need an AI at 300mg of test since its at 29 on the E2 sensitive right now without it.

    Why drop the thought of dbol ?

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    Replace pct with your trt protocol and it says 500mg per week not 300, which most will need an ai to control e2.

    You will only grow so much each cycle. Grow into bigger cycles stacking compounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowedzeus View Post
    Replace pct with your trt protocol and it says 500mg per week not 300, which most will need an ai to control e2.

    You will only grow so much each cycle. Grow into bigger cycles stacking compounds.
    I said 250-300 because everywhere I read online, including this site under "beginner steroid cycles" say 250 is perfect for a beginner. Thats where I got it from.

    What i'm asking is if my protocol up above is OK for a beginner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomyR6 View Post
    How is this true for trt patients? It talks about PCT which I clearly do not need.
    I will most likely not need an AI at 300mg of test since its at 29 on the E2 sensitive right now without it.
    Why drop the thought of dbol?
    Obviously you did not read it thoroughly as it addresses those on TRT as well. Read it again please.
    You absolutely will need an AI at 300 mgs p/w. I've read probably thousands of peoples blood work. But feel free to go without it if the effects of high E2 don't matter to you. Think water retention, loss of libido, potential gyno and so on. You don't put your seat belt on after the accident.....

    Drop the dbol because you have no clue what an elevated dose of test is going to do for and to you. Learn to control the sides of one substance before you add another. Save it for a future cycle. I guess with your no AI comment you forgot that dbol aromatises as well. About the same amount as test...

    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomyR6 View Post
    I said 250-300 because everywhere I read online, including this site under "beginner steroid cycles" say 250 is perfect for a beginner. Thats where I got it from. What i'm asking is if my protocol up above is OK for a beginner.
    That's an old, out dated thread that is replaced by the one you were linked. 250 mgs is just over some guys TRT dose. And to answer one of your earlier questions regarding keeping gains. Not having to do pct helps greatly in this aspect but the main thing is nutrition and training. If you want to maintain newly built muscle you have to eat to keep it. You're 217 lbs, say you gain 13 lbs. You now have to eat like a 230 lb man or you will lost it. Eating is really the hard part. You can do it but it takes a ton of discipline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Obviously you did not read it thoroughly as it addresses those on TRT as well. Read it again please.
    You absolutely will need an AI at 300 mgs p/w. I've read probably thousands of peoples blood work. But feel free to go without it if the effects of high E2 don't matter to you. Think water retention, loss of libido, potential gyno and so on. You don't put your seat belt on after the accident.....

    Drop the dbol because you have no clue what an elevated dose of test is going to do for and to you. Learn to control the sides of one substance before you add another. Save it for a future cycle. I guess with your no AI comment you forgot that dbol aromatises as well. About the same amount as test...



    That's an old, out dated thread that is replaced by the one you were linked. 250 mgs is just over some guys TRT dose. And to answer one of your earlier questions regarding keeping gains. Not having to do pct helps greatly in this aspect but the main thing is nutrition and training. If you want to maintain newly built muscle you have to eat to keep it. You're 217 lbs, say you gain 13 lbs. You now have to eat like a 230 lb man or you will lost it. Eating is really the hard part. You can do it but it takes a ton of discipline.
    Ahh thank you for this, well put and understood. My no AI comment was regarding 300mg Test only, no Dbol. I am well aware about the aromatises of it. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

    So all the talk about loosing ALL the muscle after a basic cycle like this is just that, talk?

    A Test only cycle sounds good then. I will read the article again but can you confirm the protocol?
    500mg/wk of Test E (I'll save my Cyp for my TRT) for 8 weeks enough or do 12?
    How much of the AI should I start with? I already have Anastrazole (prescribed) on hand just in case.

    And as long as I eat the part and keep training, I should be able to keep some of my gains? Is this correct?
    And I am not seeing where it addresses TRT patients. I see only about making sure you do proper PCT so you don't become a trt patient so soon.
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    Well, even with just 300 test you'd find you would need an AI. Some gains will be lost without question. Very few can keep them all. Guys tend to lose some intensity, slack off on diet, etc and it goes down hill from there. With a good work ethic you can keep a good amount though and being TRT is a plus here.

    Test @ 500 pw for 12 weeks. It takes normally about 4 weeks or more for the test to fully engage which is why with long estered test you need more time. 12 weeks +. AI amount just like the article says, .25 eod and check bloods after about 5 weeks and titrate. BW is how we learn how things effect us. Some may need more AI, some less but without BW you're guessing. You should also be running HCG while on your TRT as well as on any cycle. Many doc's have trouble grasping this though as they're not trained in hormones in med school. Well, maybe about a 4 hr block of instruction.

    The TRT reference is there. Simply put, when done you go back to your normal TRT injection protocol.

    Remember, you can pull your own BW in most states (not all.) Check out discounted labs or private md labs. They have packages set up just for guys cycling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Well, even with just 300 test you'd find you would need an AI. Some gains will be lost without question. Very few can keep them all. Guys tend to lose some intensity, slack off on diet, etc and it goes down hill from there. With a good work ethic you can keep a good amount though and being TRT is a plus here.

    Test @ 500 pw for 12 weeks. It takes normally about 4 weeks or more for the test to fully engage which is why with long estered test you need more time. 12 weeks +. AI amount just like the article says, .25 eod and check bloods after about 5 weeks and titrate. BW is how we learn how things effect us. Some may need more AI, some less but without BW you're guessing. You should also be running HCG while on your TRT as well as on any cycle. Many doc's have trouble grasping this though as they're not trained in hormones in med school. Well, maybe about a 4 hr block of instruction.

    The TRT reference is there. Simply put, when done you go back to your normal TRT injection protocol.

    Remember, you can pull your own BW in most states (not all.) Check out discounted labs or private md labs. They have packages set up just for guys cycling.
    Outstanding, thank you.

    I am prescribed HCG, no worries there. I found a great Doc in NY that deals with low T.
    That brings me to the next issue. NY doesnt allow me to pull my own BW. I'd have to travel out of state.

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    Don't think travelling out of state will work with those type firms, or so I'm told. Can always try though.
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