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Obv mainstream docs say theyre awful. Of course lots of meathead bodybuilders say theyre not... but I get the sense that those dudes are the type that deny human-influence climate change and support the confederate flag because "its heritage."
So whats the solid evidence for or against? If you dont believe in basic scientific truths like global warming, I cant take you seriously though
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Not going to make a lot of friends around here toting political agendas. Try doing some research and draw your own conclusions. Or head over to Tumblr.
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bad for your lipids
high blood pressure
damaging to your HPTA
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Yea, what's up with the political rant?
Aas effects everyone different, just like everything in life. I can take 600mg a week of tren and my bp never get over 115/75. My brother can't even say tren without his bp going sky high
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As with anything, moderation is key. And for us that have low t, it can prolong life. Bloodwork is essential. If you're blasting and cruising on a gram or more a week you're not doing your heart any favors. Take all precautions such as an AI and stay on top of full panel bloodwork as often as you can. I get bloodwork 4-6 times a year just to be sure. Lipids, high red blood cells, and high blood pressure are silent killers in this, per se.
*EDIT- LOL! Global warming is a myth. If humans are responsible for climate change, it's a tiny fraction. But I think if you quit eating the bullcrap they have been feeding you, you'll see that all we have to go on, weater wise, is the last 100 years. Let me guess, college student? Glad I missed out on this new wave of college brainwash.
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depends on what you take.how much you take and who is the man/woman who takes it.
nobody can tell you how bad or good it is.you'll have to make your own research for your own interest and all these are not for sure till you get em.Myaelf cou ted and other people can take up to 700mg test with d-bol and an AI in realy small dosagw will make a fine work.others don't touch these cpmpounds or dosages cause of their estro rising like crazy.it's one google away for everything today.Do it yourself.don't expect anyone to sit you down and tell you everything if you don't know what's up at least
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Only way I could do 600mg tren/wk is if it came with a complimentary straight jacket. That's impressive. Funny how different compounds effect everyone differently.Originally Posted by guitarzan
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As sated earlier, everyone is different. Most AAS was designed for medical purposes. There are risks involved with any medicine.
This site tries to make people aware of the risks ( and rewards) of using AAS and the steps that you should take to minimize this risk.
You will see that no one here promotes people below 25 taking AAS. The risk is just too great.
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AAS ... much like ASS
They have potential for both good & bad experiences
There are things you can do, to maximise your chances of a good experience and minimise chances of bad
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Moderation is key as pt said. I can give you a list as long as my arm of BB's that died before 40. I can also give you a lot longer list of arborists that died in their first five years of business. You monitor bloodsand that is key. Ifyou don't you will be a ticking time bomb. Aas is like anything on earth, its risks depend on how far you push it. You look at your life and decide what your goals are brother. AAS is harmful when used in excess. Anyone who says different is wrong. As Rich Piana would say, "stay away if you can".
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Lol
But on the other hand, I don't do well with orals. I get cramps and pumps from hell, and have stomach and appetite issues. Two weeks is the longest I've ever been able to every day take a oral. And that was anavar
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LOL
Scientific truths!
LOL
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Juice has such a bad rap with mainstream people. Especially since rich piana died and everyone is pointing the finger at steroid use. Its just nonsense. The majority of the population is so incredibly uneducated about gear. But when someone decides to do hormone therapy to change genders nobody bats an eye. Moral of the story is, steroid use in moderation will greatly improve quality of life and in some situations extend your life.
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600mgs?! My grandmother takes 600mgs, LOL! What is your upper limit and what's the most you've tried? If you're comfortable mentioning it openly that is.
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I don't mind mentioning it openly as I have no ego when it comes to AAS. We're all different and it's just a matter of how the compound hits you. I have run 350/wk tren a in the remote past and it was okay except I couldn't sleep at all and had night sweats pretty bad.
I ran it low dose earlier this year at 200/wk along with TRT and it gave me insomnia and mild night sweats.
It makes me a little crazy in the head, though, hard to explain, just a constant sense if discomfort. I don't think I laughed once on the 350/wk and not much on the low dose. Not a placebo negative effect because I started it both times and simply looked for the results but the mental effect was undeniable.
I'm going to avoid your grandma, btw
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FUnny thing, too about deca/NPP. I have heard people say they love deca, get a sense of well being from it, etc. Been awhile since I ran it, opting instead for NPP. And I don't get that sense of well being from NPP. I get a slight reaction similar to tren it seems, and again, I don't think it's my imagination. I just notice after about 2 wk I start to not feel as good mentally and when at the end of it last go round things cleared up and returned to normal in about the same amount of time.
I don't struggle with depression, am not on any meds at all other than finasteride and adex w/TRT, and am reasonably happy. But I do seem to be sensitive to effects of AAS mentally for some reason.
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I do get the night sweats for bout the first month with tren, and the insomnia I just get use to, prami seems to help a little. The aggression usually calms down after a month or so also
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balance is the key , you need to be madure enought for use roids
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Let me guess BERKLEY STUDENT!
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I didn't see the last part before I posted.
By all means dont take anyone here seriously.
Please spare us future bullshit. You had a good question until you added the libtard crap.
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There might be no evidence of global warming but there is indeed about environment pollution, that's the real problem.
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Ha, I was quite surprised when you didn't address that earlier! I'm still biting my tongue
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I'm a little concerned about you Obs, you seem to hold things in. I think you would do better to simply say how you feel.
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I like to help when I can. When someone doubts obvious things like like the Easter bunny though... It just immediately cancels out any advice they have.
Jeez, some of the smartest guys on here do not believe close to the same as I do about opinionated subjects but that doesn't mean they don't know more than me.
I can't even stand communicating with numbere but he is a genius on AAS and many other things and a hell of a lot smarter than me. Why is it people place a dumb opinion on a controversial subject as a basis for how intelligent they see that person?
We are all just human and we all believe certain things that are wrong too. It doesn't cancel out our intelligence.
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Not getting political. Making it known that I can't take people seriously who deny basic truths cuz they're pricks. Would you take biology/medical advice from someone who denies basic scientific findings? No.
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Just quantifying that it's hard to take advice from someone who refuses to acknowledge basic truths about science, or basic facts about thing as simple as a flag. I guess in evaluating any opinion you need to have a sense of who the person is that's doling out the opinion. Couldn't care less people's religious beliefs, take on tax laws, regulations, etc. But if we're talking denial or acceptance of basic facts, like global warming, and someone denies it exists, I'll have a hard time taking them seriously on science stuff. Didn't mean to come across so political, clearly I did, it was late and it was a shitty day. I shoulda left out the flag part, and I have no problem with "heritage," just people that deny some basic facts about history... or science... or anything.
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In some ways I agree, but if someone says the holocaust didn't happen, I don't care what they have to tell me next, they are clearly in denial of some basic truths. So I will have a very hard time putting great trust in the rest of their opinions. Ultimately with something like AAS and their effects, I think it's important to know who is giving you the advice. If it's some asshole bro-stereotype who says 9/11 is a hoax, claims he slept with 700 women, total know-it-all type, it's hard to take that guy seriously. It's just so damn hard to know how reputable people are. It's so much easier to always go with the mainstream consensus of "steroids are AWFUL for you" than some random articles written by an amateur lifter.
My apologies in getting too political-ish, just trying to understand who is behind the words; a thoughtful, intelligent person who looks at facts and science and research, or a dude who refuses to and just spouts off not knowing shit really.
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Nope. Frat kid from the southwest. Not everyone who dislikes the denial of climate change science and the confederate flag representing a war for slavery, went to Berkeley. Pretty easy way to tease out jackasses from potentially intelligent people.
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Well Tren is super gnar for AAS, so that doesn't surprise me. I'm really wondering about Test. And besides BP, what does it do to the heart, what's the science? It sounds pretty bad, but is it overblown?
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How high does the RBC count go for some people? I run slightly anemic, so I'm like a 12 when normal range is like 15-20 I think. Several different blood cell tests, I'm always about 15% below normal range.
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Man you got a lot of good advice here. Take a look at it all. I agree with most of it. It does depend on how old you are that's something to think about first. How old are you? If your too young I would wonder whats so dysfunctional in your body where you would need it. But if your a little older then how much you take is definitely a factor.So moderation is the key. good luck.
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Yeah, you definitely showed yourself as a jackass instead of a potentially intelligent person with your original post.
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Definitely not to fuel the fire nor to engage in an online debate, but a couple of things. First of all, this is no statement on my belief/disbelief in climate change, merely my belief in what you are discussing, SCIENCE.
Climate change is NOT a proven basic truth. If you have read both sides you will find very compelling evidence for both theories. However, it quickly became a politicized issue because, big surprise, there was money to be made from it. Al Gore made millions/billions on the carbon credits which was born of the theory. So once politicized the information presented is done so in a manner to further the agenda.
There are numerous scientific reports refuting some of the findings for our role in climate change, and some of the reports supporting it have in fact been deemed pseudoscience. But again, it's a political issue.
If you really want to know the truth I would recommend researching and really reading the european studies that oppose it by leading scientists, because science is about looking at everything and making a decision based on the evidence. Again, not saying I believe or don't - it's hard to make a decision because all the information we are given is filtered through the hands of people who all stand to gain something - Al Gore and other cronies who profit by it, or corporations and magnets who gain by refuting it so they are not restricted in their production/commerce...and now it is a political issue.
And comparing it to the holocaust is simply faulty logic.
Referring to people who disagree with you as jackasses further shows a lack of truth-seeking.
Just sayin'
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Look up Christopher Langan and watch some of his videos on his beliefs. Then read his theory, "the cognitive theory of the model universe." You won't be able to keep up to the second paragraph. The guys IQ is unmeasureable and he believes it is mathematically possible to prove the existence of God. As a climate change guy I am betting you are atheist or agnostic. If Chris Langan helps you with a math problem though, he will be right.
Nearly everyone who posted doesn't believe in climate change but they all gave the same advice. Don't act like people have to believe something you believe to be considered intelligent. You, just like all of us, only know what you have been told and taught. Global warming is a means of control and tax collection, by a government and governments, that you think have interests in mind, other than money and power.
When mount Tambora erupted in 1815 it caused "the endless winter"
It literally produced more carbon emissions than mankind in the duration of its existence. You will read articles on snopes that base things like volcanic eruptions on a yearly basis average and say "volcanoes only produce 1/20th the emissions per year of mankind. Well, guess what... They disinclude major incidents such as the eruption in 1815.
I know two things:
Everything is about money.
People are not in control and never will be.
Gonna go fire up one of my diesel engines and go cut down a tree. Time to make money. Remember, I am about to remove enough paper from the earth today, to supply everyone on this forum for a couple months. Think about that when you are blow drying your hands after wiping your ass with two squares of tp, trying to save the planet.
I don't believe you are less intelligent because you believe in climate change. We are all just slightly smarter than apes and we are all just along for the ride. I may be dead wrong, tomorrow we may wake up and the ice caps have melted. We aren't going to stop it though. Enjoy the ride.
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Geez... just a joke!!! Anyhow this forum is about AAS and helping others... check ur politics and feelings at the door!!!
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I agree with "check your politics at the door" but feelings? Aw hell no! Between the women in the forum and the aromatization of testosterone leading to elevated e2 levels here, feelings are way too important to disregard!!
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Increase your AI...LMAOI agree with "check your politics at the door" but feelings? Aw hell no! Between the women in the forum and the aromatization of testosterone leading to elevated e2 levels here, feelings are way too important to disregard!!
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