Long term test cycle + go big or go home

[sephirothus]

I would ask people who heavent done at least half a year test-e 'cycle' or test/tren, test/ren/dbol cycle to
refrain themselfs from posting in this thread.

Some background bout me, i have been lifting since 2008 and started working out seriously at 2013 with my first cycle being end of 2013, plain old dbol.
Currently i weight 194 kg height 183 cm with bf measured with calipers of 7% (prolly not the most accurate measurement but not that many avialable options in Eastern Europe for bf).

So far this would be my 5th cycle, i have been on test-e since end of may at 500g, week and im planing on keeping the same cycle till the end of the year.
There is a photoshot for the yearly callendar that i need to be part of, but there is a small problem. Im supposed to be the 'bodybuilder' part of the callendar but some of the guys that are also part of the callendar as boxers, kickboxers look freaking large and are most likely juicing as well. So i need to get bigger than them, alot bigger by the end of the year.

So the idea is from the start of the next month increase test-e to 750mg/week, add 50 mg of dbol for 6 weeks and 400mg of tren eod injections for 8 weeks. And get as big as posible and i will have roughly 3/4 weeks at the end to do pct to drop the water weight.

Im doing the cycle regardless, the thing that i really need help with is how to protect myself both on the cycle and off the cycle to try to kick start my test back in action after 6 months of test injections.

Im really not prone to gyno at all, after 4 cycles which included dbol at 25-50mg, deca and test i never had any gyno related sympoms.
I did eat really clean the last cycles so had no issues with bloat, but since i plan on going if it isnt candy or shit like that EAT IT.
So more or less YOLO get big as fuck, hope i dont die, grow tits or get lump dick for more than a few months

[The Deadlifting Dog]

6' tall and 428lbs at 7% body fat!!!!!!!!!!
I call bullshit.

[guitarzan]

I would call bs at 20% body fat. Post some pics!

[Nogbad the bad]

Surely he means pounds,not kilos.

[guitarzan]

You are 26, prepare to be on trt the rest of your life!

[szabla]

If you love test so much why don't you just stay on it forever. And what does PCT have to do with dropping water weight?

[sephirothus]

I accidently put a 1 next to 94, its 94 kg not 194 kg. Sorry for the confusion. For our friends using the imperial system its 207 pounds at 6 feet height.

[sephirothus]

And once again if u heavent done it something like this, please for the love of god read the forum thread and go spam somewhere else. For those giving constructive criticam i salute u.

[guitarzan]

I have done something like that, and I am now dependent on test injections. Luckily I am 44, so not as bad for me as it would be for a 26 year old. You are not gonna get the results you are hoping for. After your first 3 months the gains will slow down, not worth risking shutting down your natural production. No need to run test at 750 if you gonna take tren.

[charger69]

And once again if u heavent done it something like this, please for the love of god read the forum thread and go spam somewhere else. For those giving constructive criticam i salute u.

With all due respect, it is kind of hard to give constructive criticism. This is a train wreck waiting to happen.
In my book this is wreck less abandon taking AAS.
You have already stated that you are going to do this cycle no matter what.
Are you expecting us to agree? I think that the question should be " how do I get as big as possible in the next six months. ?"
But you already know more than anyone here and have your cycle predetermined.


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[TRA]

Not sil is it?

[sephirothus]

I have done something like that, and I am now dependent on test injections. Luckily I am 44, so not as bad for me as it would be for a 26 year old. You are not gonna get the results you are hoping for. After your first 3 months the gains will slow down, not worth risking shutting down your natural production. No need to run test at 750 if you gonna take tren.

Do u recomend dropping down to 500 or even lower 250? The reason im thinking bout increasing it since im allrdy on test since May so it may sound silly but not experienced with long term cycles so was kinda afraid of the body adjusting to the current amount.

[TRA]

If not sit then a long lost cousin because the misspellings are the same and so is the vibe. Maybe a monitor can finger the IP and we can be done with it.

[Shab1864]

Wouldnt you have to up your mg's over that amount of time in order to ger gain since your body would get used of that much syn.. test and stop producing naturally? Sorry guys new here amd trying to figure out why you would do that to your body...and how that woukd even work over lobg periods of time!!

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[sephirothus]

For pct was just planing on doing 10 x 1000hcg/25mg aromasin than 100mg of clomid and 20 mg of nolva for a month. My dick will be sleepy for a few months but fine with that more or less.
No idea who sit is but go easy with your off topic drama.

[guitarzan]

Test only needs to be taken to maintain natural levels while taking tren, so I wouldn't run more than 200 mg or so. Hcg and a AI (aromasin) should be taken during cycle, not pct. Read this link, it will explain this, and how to pct.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[Eduke93]

For pct was just planing on doing 10 x 1000hcg/25mg aromasin than 100mg of clomid and 20 mg of nolva for a month. My dick will be sleepy for a few months but fine with that more or less.
No idea who sit is but go easy with your off topic drama.

You probably want a slightly more aggressive approach to your PCT and you should run HCG throughout your cycle as oppose to post.

I'm sure you'll recover, always a hit and miss and when you run the longer more aggressive cycles though....

based in what you've said your not going to recieve much constructive advice, better of researching and planning yourself

[guitarzan]

If you run this tren and dbol cycle, after already taking test as long as you have, I seriously daubt your natural test production will start back. It sounds like you are planning to start 12 weeks before the photoshoot, 8 weeks cycle, 4 weeks pct. If you are gonna do it regardless, I would run the tren the full 12 weeks, and start the dbol on week 5, and run it 6 weeks. That will give you two weeks to lose the water weight from the dbol. Do your homework, you will need to run caber(or prami), liver detox, hcg and a AI on that cycle. Make sure you know how pct and have everything you need on hand. I hope you don't do it, but good luck whichever rout you go

[sephirothus]

Thats why i said 10x, meaning 10x weeks while runing the tren/dbol combo. HCG here is alot more expensive than tren i dbol combined so would rather avoid runing it more than 10 weeks.
My initial idea was to run it for 8 weeks while runing tren but decided it for 10 weeks. I thought i was clear since i wrote that i will run aromasin alongside hcg, who uses aromasin in pct?
I do use liv52 as liver protection everytime i run a oral. Is it really mandatory to run caber on the cycle, the only think i can get right now femara. Will it get the job done as replacement for caber?

[guitarzan]

It wasn't clear because you said for pct you would use hcg and aromasin. Pct means post cycle

[guitarzan]

By the way, you don't need 1,000iu of hcg a week. 250 twice a week is enough

[charger69]

If not sit then a long lost cousin because the misspellings are the same and so is the vibe. Maybe a monitor can finger the IP and we can be done with it.

LOL Never even thought about it until you mentioned it.

[Heavyhitter5]

I ran for 5 months. test e 750 to 900mg deca 600mg dbol to kick start. I found out that more is not always better and now I know why people stick to 12- 15 wk cycles. after that point of 15 weeks your gains pretty much slow down and the sides outweight the benefits. all your doin is jacking your shit up running for 6 months. oh and also wasting your money

[PT1982]

By only asking people who have ran for 6+ months, you're selling yourself short, as most people not on trt are that stupid. Most who run blasts for long periods do it by blasting and cruising so that they give their receptors some time off. You're not going to get very much progress atter about 15 weeks, unless you're running primo. Any man with a healthy HPTA would be foolish to be shut down for that amount of time. If you don't want to be on trt, or plan to have a family one day, don't do it. Trt is not "cool" or "awesome" as some kids like to think. It's a while different ballgame when you can take test by choice. Use peptides for 6 months and mix a cycle in the middle of anything.

[guitarzan]

Heavy, you are especially correct about the sides. Matter of fact, I will make a prediction. If op runs this dangerous cycle, I predict he will stop it within a couple of weeks or so, or wish later he did.

First, you will lay awake every night, sweating your ass off, wishing you could sleep. After about of week of insomnia, the aggression is gonna kick in, and you will likely blow up at your gf/wife or friend or family member. Your body is already fatigued from the long test cycle, so depression will probably kick in bout the time your ol lady tells you by. You finally decide to check your blood pressure, and it's through the roof. Your not gaining anything because the dbol has suppressed your appetite. You decide to get off and do pct, and month later you go to your photoshoot smaller than when you started.

Now time to go to the doctor, because your natural test is low

[TRA]

Still thinking troll and sil alert.

[*Admin*]

Not Sil...

[TRA]

Not Sil...

Okay. Thanks

[kelkel]

Did I read this correctly that you're doing all this for a calendar? Seriously?

[sephirothus]

srly autistic shit

[sephirothus]

Srsly annoying, came here to get feedback from people that have actually done something like this and aside from quitarzan and duke93 trying to give something constructive based on the prev experiences hopefully.
Everyone else was just acting like little bitches spamming that generic shit 'but steroids are bad bro, what u doing to your body bro' plus some mildly autistic guy spamming sil multiple times.
If u talk to any random joe that heavent done a cycle before will tell u 'steroids will make u grow bitch tits and all sort of weird shit' but guess what most of dont have bitch tits. Why? If u healthy adult without any major underlying health issues and u do decent pct and protect yourself while on the cycle u will end up fine with more or less side effects that will clear anywhere from a few months to a year. If u cant deal with depression and a soft dick for a while stick to protein shakes.
Most here have done cycles for alot longer than 6 months but are afraid to admit it. So please if u heavent done something like this and are not willing to share the experiences pls fuk off, cba to deal with your generic responses.

[marcus300]

Yes I've done it years ago and its not worth it imho. Destroys your hpta and creates alot of sides what can be hard to manage. Infact ive done longer cycles when i was experimenting and found shorter cycles far more productive in all areas.

[guitarzan]

If you insist on doing this, at least go ahead and lower your test to 200mg a week, and leave it there till the end. This will somewhat give your receptors a break, and it's where your test needs to be anyway when you add the other compounds.

[TRA]

Everyone else was just acting like little bitches spamming that generic shit 'but steroids are bad bro, what u doing to your body bro' plus some mildly autistic guy spamming sil multiple times.

Your posts reminded me of a troll that used to come here but apparently you're not him. Appreciate the downgrade to mildly autistic, however! On a constructive front, once you have the information you came for maybe you can come back after your cycle/PCT and let everyone know how it worked out/didn't work out for the next guy with the same aspirations. Good luck.

[kelkel]

Most here have done cycles for alot longer than 6 months but are afraid to admit it. So please if u heavent done something like this and are not willing to share the experiences pls fuk off,

I doubt it. We preach responsible use here, not recklessness all for a calendar. You've been a member here since 2013 with 25 posts and are telling us to F off. We're not going anywhere but maybe you can find another board that will agree with you and tell you that what you want to hear.

[muscletech69]

good shit here. OP , I am 50 years old. Cant remember the year, but about 5 or 6 years ago I ran my first cycle . Loved it so much I didn't try to come for 21 weeks. Made a half asses attempt to post cycle for three weeks and of course felt like shit. So I jumped back on. I stayed on for about six more months and went to a HRT center. All I wanted was to get on a regulated HRT plan. The lady said no and recommended clomid and maybe Androgel. At that point I had been off test for about three weeks to get my numbers down a little. So I told her to go F#ck herself and went home and front loaded a gram and handled it my way. A year or so later I went to a different therapist and he put me on 50 mgs a week . WTF ??? I was used to being on no less than 500 mgs a week. So that didn't last because he wanted blood work every six months and I wasn't going to dry out feel like shit play bt his rules. So I stopped going. I then tried to cruise on 250 mgs for 3 months during winter and them start up again all summer and fall. Well all of this did nothing but make my life a mess bro. Marital problems, family probs, work probs. I will spare you those details. Test stops working in a sense. Meaning I am on 750 mgs now and don't feel a thing. I feel "normal". I stopped making any gains after about 20 weeks. I staked tren, D-Bol, anadrol, Deca. I felt those when I was on them so to speak, but no drastic gains. I gain a few pounds and feel the aggressive BUT nothing like the first 15 to 20 weeks when I gained 40 pounds. The gains slow drastically. If I use a gram of test my strength goes up for sure, I gain 10 pounds, and then lose it quickly as I drop back my dosage. You cant safely stay on regimen that requires high doses like that. Now some people are able handle it better than others, but those people are rare. So here I sit on Saturday night. I just chewed up a Viagra so I can hope I get hard enough to have sex. I have high cholesterol and on meds fo rit. I have high blood pressure and on meds for it. My red blood cell count is so high that my blood is like f#cking motor oil. I had to get a prescription to do whats called Blood letting. I dispense of blood every 8 weeks. No one in my family has these issues so I would attribute all of these as bad sides from anabolics. I thought hair loss and acne were the worst sides. Too funny. Yes hair is falling out too. Cant stay hard or even get hard most times without yet another drug. That causes mental issues and insecurities by its self. I have 20 x 10 CC vials of test on hand and never get below 10 vials. I have to accept my fate. The fate I created. All in the name of vanity. I don't wish this sh#T on anyone. Good luck, this is what you have to look forward to if you follow this road map.

[sephirothus]

Let me guess, u went YOLO at old age cause of slow progress most likely to bad/avg diet, alot of pints, mcdonalds and fried food. And now when shit hit the fan, it must be roids. Nice one.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Let me guess, u went YOLO at old age cause of slow progress most likely to bad/avg diet, alot of pints, mcdonalds and fried food. And now when shit hit the fan, it must be roids. Nice one.

You ask for advice from guys who have done long cycles and so....
you attack a guy for giving you his experience????

[Obs]

Yes I've done it years ago and its not worth it imho. Destroys your hpta and creates alot of sides what can be hard to manage. Infact ive done longer cycles when i was experimenting and found shorter cycles far more productive in all areas.

Listen op! This is it period. I have ran shit way too long and got nowhere. Set yourself up for a growth window. Look into it. Marcus is the expert on this and as busy as he is, I am sure he will help you. Cut and bulk is not as simple as you think. Ypu are getting rid of fat to prepare your body for growth. Without that preparation you are pissing in the wind running a long cycle. Please consider what I have said. No dickhead intentions, nust want whats best for you.

[sephirothus]

Taking into considerations all of the advice and how hard tren can be on your body alongside having test for such a long time, decided to lower my test dosages and sub tren with deca.
Also something completely unrelated, i've been noticing crazy increase in vascularity this summer, i dont mind the vascularity in my body but having a vein poping in my forehead and small (i think veins) being clearly visible under my eye is driving me nuts.
I've always thought it was because i was at really low bf but i've beginning to think it's because of something else.
Can water retention or excessive coffee consumption be the cause of this(avg of 3-5 cups per day)?