2nd Cycle, different gear, questions on dosage

[tacticalpaul]

New member here but not new to the life. I've recently recovered from ulnar nerve relocation surgery and I'm now ready to get back in the gym. I've acquired the following from a reliable and trustworthy source but I am uncertain of the dosage, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Two (2) 10ml vials of Testosterone Propionate (PureProp 100)
Two (2) 10ml vials of Testosterone Cypionate (PureCyp 250)
Two (2) 10ml vials of Nandrolone Decanoate (PureDeca 300)
Twenty (20) tablets of Tamoxifen Citrate 76mg (PureNolva 50)

In case it helps my last cycle was back in April 2016 and looked like this:

(April 18, 2016 – July 1, 2016)

Proviron (25mg): 50mg 2X daily (100mg total) for 11 weeks
Sustanon: 250 Tuesday & Friday (500) total for 11 weeks
Dianabol (10mg): 20mg 2X daily (40mg) total for first 5 weeks
Anavar (10mg): 30mg 3X daily (90mg) total for 5 weeks starting at week 7.
Blockade On Cycle Defense by Assault Labs
Growth by Blackstone Labs

Post Cycle Therapy:
HCG: 2,000 I.U. every other day for 20 days
Clomid: 150mg daily for first 2 weeks, 100mg daily for next 2 weeks, 50mg daily for week 5.

Weekly weigh-in:
04/18: 182.4
04/25: 193.6 (+11.2)
05/02: 199.4 (+5.8)
05/09: 207.4 (+8)
05/16: 211.6 (+4.2)
05/23: 220.6 (+9)
05/30: 214.0 (-6.6)
06/06: 216.4 (+2.4)
06/13: 219.0 (+2.6)
06/20: 220.0 (+1)
06/27: 217.0 (-3)

[PT1982]

How are you planning on running this? You don't look to have near enough of anything. Let us know the layout. Since you're experienced, I can't critique without knowing the plan. And what about Clomid and hcg? Caber or prami?

[tacticalpaul]

How are you planning on running this? You don't look to have near enough of anything. Let us know the layout. Since you're experienced, I can't critique without knowing the plan. And what about Clomid and hcg? Caber or prami?

I don't have a dosage plan yet, the source I received everything from was going to use it but is holding off for a while. I'm certain I can get more of what I already have and whatever else I need. Do you think there is a way to use what I have and just add to it as needed?

[charger69]

I do not recommend that you start a cycle until you have a complete plan and everything in hand for the cycle. Murphy's law has a tendency to kick in and you have to abort the cycle meaning you just wasted all of that money and little to no results.
Never be hasty to cycle.

[PT1982]

I would have enough test p to run 100mgs eod for 8 weeks, or test c or e to run 500mgs for 12 weeks. Before anything is started, you need to get your PCT meds in hand, as well as your AI and hcg.

[Stosh_112]

For a 2nd cycle I would leave out the Deca. Save it for when u have caber or prami on hand.
As for the Test doses. You could jump start with the first bottle of prop @ 100mg e.o.d.
With 250mg Cyp twice a week while running the prop as above. Then in 10 wks when the cyp is done start pinning the last bottle of prop 100 mg e.o.d to get a blast at the end of cycle. This also gives you time to let the cyp run out of ur system to be ready for pct.
Figure start PCT the 3rd or 4th day after last prop pin.
Run HCG the entire time on cycle. Get some Clomid to add to the Nolva for PCT.

Your gains look good from 1st cycle? What was ur body fat pre cycle and post?
How much weight have u kept post cycle?

[tacticalpaul]

Thanks for the response, I assumed I could at least get started with what I have. I'm hoping to get A-var and P-viron this weekend so I can start my cycle on Monday. So with leaving the Deca out of the equation if I ran 100mg of Prop eod what day(s) would I run the 250mg Cyp? Also, when during the cycle could I run the Deca if I got the Caber or Prami (both of which Ive never heard of or used)? I never kept track of my body fat but I'm certain it was under 10%. I'm at 185 right now and easily 20% which I blame on lack of cardio, laziness and a lot of beer and bbq this summer. I'm super-stoked to get back in the gym after my set-back so thank you again for the help.

[songdog]

You don't need Deca on a 2nd cycle bro.

[tacticalpaul]

You don't need Deca on a 2nd cycle bro.

ok, thanks.

[Octaneforce]

100mg of prop eod is only 350mg per week which isnt alot, even for a jump start. Unless the other members are saying to mix the cyp and prop? Sounds like You atleast need another vial of cyp or another vial of prop. Dont shut down your hpta for a weak cycle! Typical prop dose is 150mg eod for an average of 525 per week.

[tacticalpaul]

100mg of prop eod is only 350mg per week which isnt alot, even for a jump start. Unless the other members are saying to mix the cyp and prop? Sounds like You atleast need another vial of cyp or another vial of prop. Dont shut down your hpta for a weak cycle! Typical prop dose is 150mg eod for an average of 525 per week.

thanks for the reply, getting more cyp and prop shouldn't be a problem. I have read about mixing and/or alternating prop and cyp or running it together. My last cycle had me pinning Sust Mon and Thurs but I've been reading a lot of ED or EOD pinning. I think I'll just pin the first bottle of Prop at 150mg EOD and Cyp at 250mg twice a week for weeks 1-10. When the Cyp is finished I'll run the second bottle of Prop until finished then start my PCT of Clomid and HCG. Of course I'll also be taking Proviron the entire cycle and Anavar mid-cycle to completion. I don't know what to do with the Deca yet, maybe someone can suggest a way to work it in to my cycle. As aways, any comments or critique to my plan is welcome and appreciated.

[Octaneforce]

Make sure to take NAC or tudca or both throughout this cycle if your gonna be using 2 orals. Hcg should be taken during the cycle not after. To be honest dude i think your getting a little ahead of yourself. I dont know how old you are but Stay away from the deca. Its really suppressive. Is this a bulk cycle? Whats your age height weight?

[Octaneforce]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

Read this and just do the same thing plus your orals if you really want. Proviron and anavar arent the best bulking orals. If your just trying to "tone" then that makes more sense but i dont know your stats.

[tacticalpaul]

Make sure to take NAC or tudca or both throughout this cycle if your gonna be using 2 orals. Hcg should be taken during the cycle not after. To be honest dude i think your getting a little ahead of yourself. I dont know how old you are but Stay away from the deca. Its really suppressive. Is this a bulk cycle? Whats your age height weight?

49 yrs old, 5' 11" 185lbs. I'm looking to re-gain some mass that was lost while I was laid up post-surgery. I can toss the Deca as it seems most of the comments in regards to it are negative. My last cycle went really well, we were able to get anything we wanted considering where we were and I had a lot of people around me for info, advice and "pinning". I'll check that link you provided in post #13 and see what I can come up with. Thanks again for the info and suggestions.

[Octaneforce]

Sounds good Do a bulk man! Force feed yourself chicken breasts and broccoli and lift heavy. If you want to add mass anavar and proviron arent worth the liver stress imo. No need to stack cutting orals like in your first cycle. Try tbol or dbol. Youd be surprised what test alone can do on its own with the right diet. Dont fall into one of those "middle of the road" cycles where your scared to gain too much weight but not cutting either.

[tacticalpaul]

Thanks to Octaneforce and Stosh_112 for the advice and input. I'll be starting this as soon as the HCG arrives. Comments and suggestions are always welcome.

Wk 1 to 12: Test Prop 150mg EOD
Wk 1 to 8: Test Cyp 250mg 2X week
Wk 1 to 12: HCG 250iu every 3.5 days
Wk 1 to 14: Arimidex 0.25mg every other day
Wk 1 to 12: NAC 600mg daily

Clomid: 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex: 40/20/20/20