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    Blood Work Analysis Needed High Values of Concern - TEST / DECA / EQ / STANAZOL Cycle

    Hi Guys,

    I am 6 weeks into a cycle of the following:

    Per Week:
    • 500mg Test Enanthate
    • 400mg Deca
    • 400mg EQ
    • 12.5mg aromasin twice a week.



    I am currently cutting up for summer with a plan in place to have my cut complete in 7 weeks time. I am 93kg / 6ft2 / 29 years old and sitting at 12% bodyfat.

    NOTE: for one week prior to these blood tests I was taking 70mg stananzol tabs per day then stopped 3 days before the blood test. I initially thought they were working and gave me a pump but after a week not so much so dropped them. They were probably legit given my liver values?

    Please see attached blood test results.

    My oestrogen felt high, this is what told me to get bloods done, excess sweating, pimples on face and that general itchy face feeling i get when my estro is high, I also noticed the fat was not dropping off even while eating super clean. (literally broccoli sweet potato and chicken breast all day). Sex drive has been average as well.

    I have previously used arimadex on past cycles without blood tests and looked great. (1/4 tab every other day). Should I stick to aromasin or go back to arimadex? probably a psychological thing?

    My liver values are high, I have discontinued the stanazolol, taking 1800mg NAC per day as well as SWISS LIVER DETOX which has milk thistle and other things in it.

    My goals are to get my oestrogen down, and just be really health during this cut, no tren or any nasty stuff. I just want to be healthy.


    Questions:

    1. Aromasin or Arimadex?


    2. Dosage (Considering my Oesradiol is at 178 pmol/l) with 12.5mg Aromasin E3.5D


    3. I have no idea if these values are super high or normal for these dosages, should I replace the DECA with MASTERON ?


    4. Should I lower my dosages given my free test levels for this cut?


    5. Are there any other values you guys can see that may be a concern? I am new to having bloodwork done and appreciate any help on what you see from my results.


    6. Is the reason my oestrogen high because of the high dosages/aromatisation?


    7. SHBG is low, what does this mean and how does it affect the body? What is the link between SHBG and AAS?


    8. My CK levels show 1434 U/L , what does this mean and is it dangerous? I tried to google it and it said all bodybuilders have high values from training and protein intake?


    9. What does the labs statement "release of enzymes from muscles may be contributing to high LFT's" is that referring to my liver or the CK Values?


    10. My Haemoglobin levels are a little high 188 g/L as well as my Haematocrit 0.55. What does this mean for me and is this caused by the EQ? Will giving blood lower the values?


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    Thanks for your Help!

    Half Natty

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    Aromasin needs to be dosed ED.

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    It means you should have research the side effect of AAS and how your blood chemistries will change. Everything that is abnormal are all well know sides of AAS usage.

    The only ones that concern me being high are your AST/ALT. It's as if you are on highish dosages for the last 6 weeks of an oral steroid . Injectibles typically do not effect liver since they are not metabolized in the liver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by half natty View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I am 6 weeks into a cycle of the following:

    Per Week:
    • 500mg Test Enanthate
    • 400mg Deca
    • 400mg EQ
    • 12.5mg aromasin twice a week.



    I am currently cutting up for summer with a plan in place to have my cut complete in 7 weeks time. I am 93kg / 6ft2 / 29 years old and sitting at 12% bodyfat.

    NOTE: for one week prior to these blood tests I was taking 70mg stananzol tabs per day then stopped 3 days before the blood test. I initially thought they were working and gave me a pump but after a week not so much so dropped them. They were probably legit given my liver values?

    Please see attached blood test results.

    My oestrogen felt high, this is what told me to get bloods done, excess sweating, pimples on face and that general itchy face feeling i get when my estro is high, I also noticed the fat was not dropping off even while eating super clean. (literally broccoli sweet potato and chicken breast all day). Sex drive has been average as well.

    I have previously used arimadex on past cycles without blood tests and looked great. (1/4 tab every other day). Should I stick to aromasin or go back to arimadex? probably a psychological thing?

    My liver values are high, I have discontinued the stanazolol, taking 1800mg NAC per day as well as SWISS LIVER DETOX which has milk thistle and other things in it.

    My goals are to get my oestrogen down, and just be really health during this cut, no tren or any nasty stuff. I just want to be healthy.


    Questions:

    1. Aromasin or Arimadex? Personal choice but like DD said above, Aromasin needs to be daily immediately.


    2. Dosage (Considering my Oesradiol is at 178 pmol/l) with 12.5mg Aromasin E3.5D Control your estrogen and next time get the proper E2 Sensitive Assay.


    3. I have no idea if these values are super high or normal for these dosages, should I replace the DECA with MASTERON ? Completely different animals here. Your choice we can't really answer that as some can cut fine on deca, others do better with mast.


    4. Should I lower my dosages given my free test levels for this cut? Defeating the purpost of a cycle isn't it?


    5. Are there any other values you guys can see that may be a concern? I am new to having bloodwork done and appreciate any help on what you see from my results. I don't see anything out of the ordinary considering what you're running.


    6. Is the reason my oestrogen high because of the high dosages/aromatisation? Of course.


    7. SHBG is low, what does this mean and how does it affect the body? What is the link between SHBG and AA shbg is what binds hormones and transports them in blood. More shbg = less free t. Less shbg = more free t. Whenever you add androgens you suppress shbg. yours is quite low so I'd guess you run on the lower side anyway.


    8. My CK levels show 1434 U/L , what does this mean and is it dangerous? I tried to google it and it said all bodybuilders have high values from training and protein intake? Due to muscular damage/trauma also.


    9. What does the labs statement "release of enzymes from muscles may be contributing to high LFT's" is that referring to my liver or the CK Values? Referring to ALT and AST. Normal for them to be elevated post workout. Sometimes greatly so.




    10. My Haemoglobin levels are a little high 188 g/L as well as my Haematocrit 0.55. What does this mean for me and is this caused by the EQ? Will giving blood lower the values? They're not a little high, they're high. Give blood asap. Your blood is dangerously thick. In the meantime hydrate well, take a baby aspirin nightly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
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    Thanks Kelkel !

    So ill up the Aromasin to 12.5mg Everyday. Whats a good number roughly to keep EQ at ? 20-50 for a male?

    What is an E2 Sensitive Essay? I am in Australia is that a more specific blood panel for E2?

    I tried to give blood yesterday however had a runny nose and they noticed, will get it done this week 100%.

    Are my test levels averagely high or extremely high for those doses? Just trying to gauge the oils. Seems like they are pretty strong I think last cycle my test came back at only 99.9 but may have been a different scale as it said maximum detected on the form.

    I will stick to aromasin, if i have any issues grabbing aroma (3tabs left atm) is there an equivalent daily dose of arimidex that would suffice?

    Also in Australia i have never seen aspirin but i found some here looks like i won't need a prescription.

    is this suitable

    https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/...mg-112-Tablets
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    I didnt read the entire thing, sorry. But you should get rid of some blood soon. And if you're not on NAC, get on. If you are, double your dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    I didnt read the entire thing, sorry. But you should get rid of some blood soon. And if you're not on NAC, get on. If you are, double your dose.
    Hi Austin!

    Thanks i am trying to give blood again today.

    I am ln 1800mg NAC per day by now foodz

    Will recheck bloods in another week

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    I didnt read the entire thing, sorry. But you should get rid of some blood soon. And if you're not on NAC, get on. If you are, double your dose.
    Hi Austin!

    Thanks i am trying to give blood again today.

    I am on 1800mg NAC per day by now foodz
    Also taking Swiss Pharma Milk thistle and Tumeric.

    Just ran out of NaC so substituting with Rich Pianas Liver Organ product which contains 1000mg NAC as well as the swiss pharma till the new NAC arrives next week.

    Will recheck bloods in another week
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