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    Going to TRT... What would you do different?

    I am making the plunge to TRT very soon after this cycle. I don't need to give my reasons, everyone has their battles and this is what I've chosen.

    With that said. For the veterans and even newer TRT members, knowing what you know now... What would you of done from day 1 TRT?

    Few things I've picked up, and correct me if I am wrong. But, with TRT, it's good to keep it minimal and run 800ish test (roughly 125mg a week) - person dependent and gear, of course. Blood work is only way to know. How often do you do blood on TRT?

    I read it's good to run an AI. I always ran 1 with all my cycles, but does this amount of AI change with less test?

    I have also read that Hcg should be used for the entire TRT life. 500IU a week.

    I haven't read much else that one should be doing. I just want to have my sucks in a row for this as I want to be smart about it. I want to continue to be healthy and grow in the gym.

    Please let me know your guys thoughts of what you'd do different or what you are doing and is working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    I am making the plunge to TRT very soon after this cycle. I don't need to give my reasons, everyone has their battles and this is what I've chosen.

    With that said. For the veterans and even newer TRT members, knowing what you know now... What would you of done from day 1 TRT?

    Find a doctor that understands hormones as most don't. Title doesn't really matter.

    Few things I've picked up, and correct me if I am wrong. But, with TRT, it's good to keep it minimal and run 800ish test (roughly 125mg a week) - person dependent and gear, of course. Blood work is only way to know. How often do you do blood on TRT?

    Start low (say 100mgs split 50 x 2) and titrate up based on BW. Be sure to monitor TT, FT, E2 Sensitive as well as your CBC's etc. Pull labs about 6 weeks after starting and adjust as needed. Remember FT is what works for you, not total T. After that, it's between you and your doctor. Most are twice per year.

    I read it's good to run an AI. I always ran 1 with all my cycles, but does this amount of AI change with less test?

    The goal on TRT is to not have to use an AI. BW will dictate this. Don't get to caught up with numbers. It's about how you feel.

    I have also read that Hcg should be used for the entire TRT life. 500IU a week.

    Yep, 250 iu's x 2 or 3 per week is fine

    I haven't read much else that one should be doing. I just want to have my sucks in a row for this as I want to be smart about it. I want to continue to be healthy and grow in the gym.

    Please let me know your guys thoughts of what you'd do different or what you are doing and is working.
    In bold above. Best of luck Kyle!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    I am making the plunge to TRT very soon after this cycle. I don't need to give my reasons, everyone has their battles and this is what I've chosen.

    With that said. For the veterans and even newer TRT members, knowing what you know now... What would you of done from day 1 TRT?

    Few things I've picked up, and correct me if I am wrong. But, with TRT, it's good to keep it minimal and run 800ish test (roughly 125mg a week) - person dependent and gear, of course. Blood work is only way to know. How often do you do blood on TRT?

    I read it's good to run an AI. I always ran 1 with all my cycles, but does this amount of AI change with less test?

    I have also read that Hcg should be used for the entire TRT life. 500IU a week.

    I haven't read much else that one should be doing. I just want to have my sucks in a row for this as I want to be smart about it. I want to continue to be healthy and grow in the gym.

    Please let me know your guys thoughts of what you'd do different or what you are doing and is working.
    Are you going to go to a doctor or are you self diagnose?

    If you want to be smart about it go to the doctor and get tested, you will need blood work often, this is a life long thing.

    I've been TRT for a few years now and it took years of working with my doctor to determine TRT was the best treatment. I was diagnosed at a young age for the condition. I have to be on it for the rest of my life and I'm in my 30s. If you don't have a medical need for it then I would say don't do it, most people let vanity get in the way of reason when they make this decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    I am making the plunge to TRT very soon after this cycle. I don't need to give my reasons, everyone has their battles and this is what I've chosen.

    With that said. For the veterans and even newer TRT members, knowing what you know now... What would you of done from day 1 TRT?

    Few things I've picked up, and correct me if I am wrong. But, with TRT, it's good to keep it minimal and run 800ish test (roughly 125mg a week) - person dependent and gear, of course. Blood work is only way to know. How often do you do blood on TRT?

    I read it's good to run an AI. I always ran 1 with all my cycles, but does this amount of AI change with less test?

    I have also read that Hcg should be used for the entire TRT life. 500IU a week.

    I haven't read much else that one should be doing. I just want to have my sucks in a row for this as I want to be smart about it. I want to continue to be healthy and grow in the gym.

    Please let me know your guys thoughts of what you'd do different or what you are doing and is working.
    I have been on TRT for years and what I would have done differently is:
    1) pellets from day one (see below, this has changed) as those twice weekly injections get old and do have the potential for building up scar tissue and forming calcifications making injections a hassle and especially when hitting a cycle if that is what one is doing
    2) now I would do Aveed from onset. Minimal injections, "good" steady state levels
    3) monitored my own labs and used adex because I was given letrozole and suffered for almost a year with crushed estrogen levels. Even though the doc I went to is "knowledgeable" as far as TRT docs go, she hadn't a clue about managing e2.
    4) run HCG from day 1. Again, my doc didn't use it and even repeated attempts to get it prescribed yielded nothing.
    5) I did this and would recommend it - wait at least a year (I waited several due to other health issues unrelated to AAS) to do any kind of cycle so you have your TRT dialed in.

    Good luck

    Kel has given excellent advice and knows more than most docs you will get treated from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    I am making the plunge to TRT very soon after this cycle. I don't need to give my reasons, everyone has their battles and this is what I've chosen.

    With that said. For the veterans and even newer TRT members, knowing what you know now... What would you of done from day 1 TRT?

    Few things I've picked up, and correct me if I am wrong. But, with TRT, it's good to keep it minimal and run 800ish test (roughly 125mg a week) - person dependent and gear, of course. Blood work is only way to know. How often do you do blood on TRT?

    I read it's good to run an AI. I always ran 1 with all my cycles, but does this amount of AI change with less test?

    I have also read that Hcg should be used for the entire TRT life. 500IU a week.

    I haven't read much else that one should be doing. I just want to have my sucks in a row for this as I want to be smart about it. I want to continue to be healthy and grow in the gym.

    Please let me know your guys thoughts of what you'd do different or what you are doing and is working.
    I have been on TRT for years and what I would have done differently is:
    1) pellets from day one (see below, this has changed) as those twice weekly injections get old and do have the potential for building up scar tissue and forming calcifications making injections a hassle and especially when hitting a cycle if that is what one is doing
    2) now I would do Aveed from onset. Minimal injections, "good" steady state levels
    3) monitored my own labs and used adex because I was given letrozole and suffered for almost a year with crushed estrogen levels. Even though the doc I went to is "knowledgeable" as far as TRT docs go, she hadn't a clue about managing e2.
    4) run HCG from day 1. Again, my doc didn't use it and even repeated attempts to get it prescribed yielded nothing.
    5) I did this and would recommend it - wait at least a year (I waited several due to other health issues unrelated to AAS) to do any kind of cycle so you have your TRT dialed in.

    Good luck

    Kel has given excellent advice and knows more than most docs you will get treated from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailRunAZ View Post
    I have been on TRT for years and what I would have done differently is:
    1) pellets from day one (see below, this has changed) as those twice weekly injections get old and do have the potential for building up scar tissue and forming calcifications making injections a hassle and especially when hitting a cycle if that is what one is doing
    2) now I would do Aveed from onset. Minimal injections, "good" steady state levels
    3) monitored my own labs and used adex because I was given letrozole and suffered for almost a year with crushed estrogen levels. Even though the doc I went to is "knowledgeable" as far as TRT docs go, she hadn't a clue about managing e2.
    4) run HCG from day 1. Again, my doc didn't use it and even repeated attempts to get it prescribed yielded nothing.
    5) I did this and would recommend it - wait at least a year (I waited several due to other health issues unrelated to AAS) to do any kind of cycle so you have your TRT dialed in.

    Good luck

    Kel has given excellent advice and knows more than most docs you will get treated from.

    She does not have testicals.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    She does not have testicals.......
    You can't assume that, in this day and age...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    In bold above. Best of luck Kyle!
    Thanks Kelkel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0tsf1red View Post
    Are you going to go to a doctor or are you self diagnose?

    If you want to be smart about it go to the doctor and get tested, you will need blood work often, this is a life long thing.

    I've been TRT for a few years now and it took years of working with my doctor to determine TRT was the best treatment. I was diagnosed at a young age for the condition. I have to be on it for the rest of my life and I'm in my 30s. If you don't have a medical need for it then I would say don't do it, most people let vanity get in the way of reason when they make this decision.
    I am doing self TRT. In good time I will see a Dr. I don't see them helping me much as the only HRT clinic atm around me is where I do my blood testing and I'm not sure they'd know, but when you're at 0-3.5k test the many times I've visited that may raise suspicion, or maybe not.

    Dr isn't all what they are cracked up to be. As mentioned, Kelkel and honestly a handful of members on this site know more about TRT. Actually, probably alot.

    I am fairly young still but when you gotta do a million things just to try and feel good or happy about anything it gets old. When I started cycling I never felt better (until I PCT - God that's awful). Hard to explain, I'm sure everyone who is on gets it.

    I also could be put on trt due to low test anyway. I've been at 300 for quite some time (since 22) I did do some blood work before but I don't believe I gave my meds enough time to get out and when I tested blood I believe it was interfering with it, especially this last cycle.


    Quote Originally Posted by TrailRunAZ View Post
    I have been on TRT for years and what I would have done differently is:
    1) pellets from day one (see below, this has changed) as those twice weekly injections get old and do have the potential for building up scar tissue and forming calcifications making injections a hassle and especially when hitting a cycle if that is what one is doing
    2) now I would do Aveed from onset. Minimal injections, "good" steady state levels
    3) monitored my own labs and used adex because I was given letrozole and suffered for almost a year with crushed estrogen levels. Even though the doc I went to is "knowledgeable" as far as TRT docs go, she hadn't a clue about managing e2.
    4) run HCG from day 1. Again, my doc didn't use it and even repeated attempts to get it prescribed yielded nothing.
    5) I did this and would recommend it - wait at least a year (I waited several due to other health issues unrelated to AAS) to do any kind of cycle so you have your TRT dialed in.

    Good luck

    Kel has given excellent advice and knows more than most docs you will get treated from.
    Those pellets look interesting. Anyone else care to comment on them? I like the idea, or even nebido some day.

    I will be doing my own labs, always have. It's not bad. Someday I will get on with a Dr (hopefully a knowledgeable one).

    Good to know on the AI and the Hcg. My e2 has been good most cycles. It varies a bit but it's usually within range and if it's not I drop more arimidex and hope it evens out. I hope, as Kelkel said, I don't need an AI. Time will tell, and it'll be a learning process for awhile. At least when it comes time to the Dr, I will know what's bull shit and what's not.

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