First Cycle Questions about Anavar and Test

**LTESUB** · 10-03-2017, 10:56 PM

I'm age 23, and am currently 6'2, 210lb, at 11% body fat. I am an athlete, and have been weightlifting for almost 4 years now and would like to start off by saying that the goal of my first cycle is not to strictly gain mass or a more aesthetic look, but is purely based on the need to take my athletic performance to the next level. I want strength gains, with a loss of body fat, and any mass gains would be considered a bonus at this point. I have been researching cycles for about 2 weeks now, and have felt that an anavar cycle would be best for my needs, but also noticed that anavar only cycles seem to be quite controversial. Ive seen many posts about people arguing that test is needed in an anavar cycle, and I was a bit curious as to why. People said that it would suppress your natural HTPA, but dont injections of test also suppress your natural production? I was a bit confused on this and couldnt figure out what the benefit of test was other than gaining more mass ( which isnt my goal). If im off here, please let me know, Im a beginner and am trying to gain all the information I can before my first cycle. I dont want to permanently screw up my test, so any information you have to provide will be really helpful. I AM NOT AFRAID OF INJECTIONS, and am totally fine with it if its whats best for my cycle. One post I read said that dosing anavar with a TRT dose of injections could be beneficial, as it would be a low dose of maintenance test to help with the cycle, and that is what I am leaning towards if I do in fact need to be taking test injections. I am also planning on doing a PCT with Clomid and Nolva for anyone who would like that info as well.

EDIT: I would also like to point out that I am planning on only taking 40mg of Anavar a day at a split dosage for 6 weeks. It's a short cycle and low dosage, which is something to take into consideration as well. Would such a short and mild cycle cause shutdown? or just a bit of suppression?

**Eduke93** · 10-04-2017, 03:05 AM

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

**Mr. Small** · 10-04-2017, 05:35 AM

Your too young for steroids .....

**LTESUB** · 10-04-2017, 12:01 PM

I did read that 25 (maybe 24) is the ideal time to start using gear, but would that still be the case with such a light cycle? Also, if someone could give me information about how test prevents further suppression/shutdown, rather than contribute to it, that would be very helpful as well

**songdog** · 10-04-2017, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by LTESUB

I did read that 25 (maybe 24) is the ideal time to start using gear, but would that still be the case with such a light cycle? Also, if someone could give me information about how test prevents further suppression/shutdown, rather than contribute to it, that would be very helpful as well

NO SUCH THING AS LIGHT! shut down is shut down your system isn't fully developed yet so you don't want to mess with it bro.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 10-04-2017, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by LTESUB

I did read that 25 (maybe 24) is the ideal time to start using gear, but would that still be the case with such a light cycle? Also, if someone could give me information about how test prevents further suppression/shutdown, rather than contribute to it, that would be very helpful as well

test doesn't prevent further suppression/or shutdown.
any steroid will suppress or shutdown.

the reason why you want to take test is because anavar will shut you down and you are a male and men require test to function properly.

**LTESUB** · 10-04-2017, 12:40 PM

There is a difference between shut down and suppressed though right?
Sorry I keep asking so many questions, I'm just trying to learn more about the subject.
Also; I've read about something called SARMS , would those be safe to take at my age? Or would they also cause shutdown. I've been plateaud for about 4 months now, even with good diet, and am looking for something to give me a boost in strength and athleticism.

**LTESUB** · 10-04-2017, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

test doesn't prevent further suppression/or shutdown.
any steroid will suppress or shutdown.

the reason why you want to take test is because anavar will shut you down and you are a male and men require test to function properly.

So you're essentially taking test in order to keep the body working/ get rid of low test side effects?

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 10-04-2017, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by LTESUB

So you're essentially taking test in order to keep the body working/ get rid of low test side effects?

that's correct

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 10-04-2017, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by LTESUB

There is a difference between shut down and suppressed though right?
Sorry I keep asking so many questions, I'm just trying to learn more about the subject.
Also; I've read about something called SARMS, would those be safe to take at my age? Or would they also cause shutdown. I've been plateaud for about 4 months now, even with good diet, and am looking for something to give me a boost in strength and athleticism.

yes.
a small amount of a steroid may only suppress you.
any amount worthwhile will pretty much shut you down.

either way you are risking damaging your HPTA.

SARMs are just new age steroids . some mild and some more powerful.
do not believe all the hype that they are safe.

**LTESUB** · 10-04-2017, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

yes.
a small amount of a steroid may only suppress you.
any amount worthwhile will pretty much shut you down.

either way you are risking damaging your HPTA.

SARMs are just new age steroids . some mild and some more powerful.
do not believe all the hype that they are safe.

Thank you for all the answers you've been giving me TDD, I'll definitely be using the information you gave me when I do my first aas cycle in a few years. You said that's SARMs we're a bit more mild than typical AAS, would that mean that they are safe for a small cycle at my age? Or should I just steer clear of any type of steroid use for a few years? Some type of boost would really help me right now

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 10-04-2017, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by LTESUB

Thank you for all the answers you've been giving me TDD, I'll definitely be using the information you gave me when I do my first aas cycle in a few years. You said that's SARMs we're a bit more mild than typical AAS, would that mean that they are safe for a small cycle at my age? Or should I just steer clear of any type of steroid use for a few years? Some type of boost would really help me right now

no.
some SARMS are mild and some are strong.
they are no different than steroids .
they are not safe to take at your age.
do not believe all the hype that they are safe.

ANYTHING THAT WILL GIVE YOU GAINS HAS RISKS OF DAMAGING YOUR HPTA.
DO NOT CYCLE UNTIL YOU ARE AT LEAST 25YRS OLD.

**kelkel** · 10-05-2017, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by LTESUB

I've been plateaud for about 4 months now, even with good diet

Why not visit the Nutrition Forum here and speak to some of the guru's there about your nutrition. Normally it's where guys fail. They think they're eating enough but they're really not. It's quite to eat enough to make steady gains.

**ScotchGuard02** · 10-06-2017, 08:02 AM

Anavar is the weakest steroid out there. Then again, even Anavar will affect your HPTA (endocrine) system. The thing is that when your HPTA is affected, recovery is like a crap shoot for young people. Some recover 100% with no issues after PCT. Some have permanent sexual issues like a soft erection, no libido, anorgasmia, etc. Imagine a young muscular guy that women find attractive but he's a dud in bed. Don't play craps with your HPTA. Take this time to dial in your diet and keep training hard and your first cycle will be a great experience.