New Cycle Test-E/HCG/Clomid

[muffinpan1552]

With a cycle for beginners that includes Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/ml, HCG 5000ui and Clomid, what dosage of each and at what interval should each be applied for an optimum effect. (At what point is it necessary to include hcg after test-e and when should I begin clomid?)
How long should this cycle be applied ?

[muffinpan1552]

[almostgone]

I think it would be best if you read the information contained in this link. That way you can save it for reference and use it when needed.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[muffinpan1552]

Without an Aromatase Inhibitor mid-cycle or Tamoxifen during post-cycle how well will the cycle work without.
I feel like this combination is fairly solid on it's own if considered cautiously, and I'm keeping in mind the purpose of keeping everything on hand. I am forgoing anything until I'm certain of my safety.
Is it feasible to make this limited combination work and with acceptable results?

[almostgone]

Without an Aromatase Inhibitor mid-cycle or Tamoxifen during post-cycle how well will the cycle work without.
I feel like this combination is fairly solid on it's own if considered cautiously, and I'm keeping in mind the purpose of keeping everything on hand. I am forgoing anything until I'm certain of my safety.
Is it feasible to make this limited combination work and with acceptable results?

Not for me. You need an AI on cycle, also HCG during cycle. You will need your SERMs during PCT otherwise you're taking a risk of poor recovery and loss of gains.
Regarding the AI, consider this; some men on TRT doses require an aromatase inhibitor, so you would definitely need to plan for it on a full cycle. Relevant labwork will be very important as well.
I strongly encourage you to revisit the link I posted earlier and use it as a "template" for your cycle. It is very well written by someone who is knowledgeable and honestly cares about people cycling safely and effectively.

[ScotchGuard02]

Post your final cycle/PCT once you get in finalized. You'll get comments to your cycle/dose.

[muffinpan1552]

If I were to skip the Aromatase Inhibitor and the Nolva, then it's going to be a short cycle because it's not recommended ( at least HALF of a normal one and on LOWER DOSAGES ) .

I'm about 5'5" and 135 lbs.

Pre-Cycle aerobic and strength training would have to begin at least one week before the cycle.

week one - two:
Test-E 100mg (or less) every 3.5 days starting on monday
HCG 100iu (or less) every 3.5 days starting on monday

week three :
Start PCT three days after last injection.
Clomed 50-25 mg every day starting on monday.

Since this is a short cycle, I would wait three complete weeks off cycle after PCT and then cycle once more.

Gain-wise (since this is a short cycle), training will have to be shaolin master class every day, and done very wisely to avoid too much push or too little effort. This means basic Aerobic training (running) followed by strength training starting at the shoulder and ending at the ankle (upper, middle and lower) with at least half an hour of meditation before and after.

to maintain any gain afterward, light regular training should be sufficient and recommended.

[almostgone]

I'm afraid you will be very disappointed with that. You're running a long estered test for only 3 weeks. If I were running a short ester, it would be test prop for 6 weeks minimum and that's only because I'm already on TRT.
Also, I would never cut corners on ancillaries like E2 management, PCT (again I'm on TRT so I don't worry with PCT), or labwork.
With what you have proposed, you'll just be getting started when it.is time to stop, and honestly all you will really be doing is upsetting your HPTA/HPGA.
My suggestion would be to take a serious look at your diet, make sure you have an optimum training plan, and save up for a proper cycle.
I don't even know your age, but it wouldn't matter, IMO. What you have planned isn't good at any age.
I'm not trying to shoot you down or sound harsh, but what you have posted is...well, it just isn't good.

[muffinpan1552]

My suggestion would be to take a serious look at your diet, make sure you have an optimum training plan, and save up for a proper cycle.

You are probably absolutely right, and I'll be taking my time with this before I begin with anything. thank you for the feedback.

[ScotchGuard02]

If I were to skip the Aromatase Inhibitor and the Nolva, then it's going to be a short cycle because it's not recommended ( at least HALF of a normal one and on LOWER DOSAGES ) .

I'm about 5'5" and 135 lbs.

Pre-Cycle aerobic and strength training would have to begin at least one week before the cycle.

week one - two:
Test-E 100mg (or less) every 3.5 days starting on monday
HCG 100iu (or less) every 3.5 days starting on monday

week three :
Start PCT three days after last injection.
Clomed 50-25 mg every day starting on monday.

Since this is a short cycle, I would wait three complete weeks off cycle after PCT and then cycle once more.

Gain-wise (since this is a short cycle), training will have to be shaolin master class every day, and done very wisely to avoid too much push or too little effort. This means basic Aerobic training (running) followed by strength training starting at the shoulder and ending at the ankle (upper, middle and lower) with at least half an hour of meditation before and after.

to maintain any gain afterward, light regular training should be sufficient and recommended.

Don't run your cycle. It will shut you down and show little to no gains.

[muffinpan1552]

Don't run your cycle. It will shut you down and show little to no gains.

Ok. I will wait until I am better prepared and have everything necessary to run a safe and effective cycle.
If anyone has any alterations to what I've outlined, please share and describe anything besides the AI and secondary SERM that may be missing or overlooked. thanks.
( I understand that on a full cycle, dosages would be nearly doubled and duration would be doubled at least )

[Dannyboy51577]

So almostgone- how does the trt work? Just had my dr appt today, i know already my t levels are low. My dr isnt an endocrinologist or test specialist and wants me to take sleep studies and other stuff. But took blood work and i already know how its gonna come back. So wondering, once they figure out im gonna need some test help, how it works. You just basically stay on a test cycle permanently?

[OdinsOtherSon]

[QUOTE=Dannyboy51577;7334746]So almostgone- how does the trt work? Just had my dr appt today, i know already my t levels are low. My dr isnt an endocrinologist or test specialist and wants me to take sleep studies and other stuff. But took blood work and i already know how its gonna come back. So wondering, once they figure out im gonna need some test help, how it works. You just basically stay on a test cycle permanently?[/QUOTE

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