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    Crashed Estrogen is no joke

    I felt inclined to make this post to just warn someone about crashing their e2 on purpose to combat gyno. Using letro or high amounts of arimidex or aromasin is not the way to reverse gyno. Nolva or ralo is the better alternative. I felt like total shit for weeks and it almost took me back to my pre trt days in the way I was feeling. The mental aspect of it is the worst for me. Bouts of depression and just feeling totally down. I've learned my lesson and i'm staying the hell away from low e2 from now on. I did this post blast while on trt so it has taken weeks for my estrogen to stabilze, but damn that was not a fun ride. Finally feeling better and stable again.
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    Why did you opt for an ai instead of a serm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowedzeus View Post
    Why did you opt for an ai instead of a serm?
    Blindly just went for it, had a small lump going and thought oh I'll just crash my estrogen not thinking of the consequences. Bad idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezuschrist View Post
    Blindly just went for it, had a small lump going and thought oh I'll just crash my estrogen not thinking of the consequences. Bad idea
    Just take 20mg of novla for 6 months and it will reverse it all. Kel has a study he posted about it on here. Maybe he will chime in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezuschrist View Post
    Blindly just went for it, had a small lump going and thought oh I'll just crash my estrogen not thinking of the consequences. Bad idea
    I did the same and we did it at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    I did the same and we did it at the same time.
    Not fun huh? I'll never do that again. I took a ton of arimidex within 2 weeks. Probably took over 10 mg in one week. I figured well if letro works by crushing e2 if I just take a bunch of arimidex it'll do the same thing. Care to explain how you felt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Just take 20mg of novla for 6 months and it will reverse it all. Kel has a study he posted about it on here. Maybe he will chime in.
    Can nolva be taken while on npp? I'm planning a cycle in a couple months and I've heard somewhere that you shouldn't take nolva while on deca , not sure if this is a myth

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    Quote Originally Posted by geezuschrist View Post
    Can nolva be taken while on npp? I'm planning a cycle in a couple months and I've heard somewhere that you shouldn't take nolva while on deca, not sure if this is a myth
    Hmm, Ive not heard that one before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezuschrist View Post
    Can nolva be taken while on npp? I'm planning a cycle in a couple months and I've heard somewhere that you shouldn't take nolva while on deca, not sure if this is a myth
    I have heard the same about nolva and tren . I see no reasoning behind the theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geezuschrist View Post
    Not fun huh? I'll never do that again. I took a ton of arimidex within 2 weeks. Probably took over 10 mg in one week. I figured well if letro works by crushing e2 if I just take a bunch of arimidex it'll do the same thing. Care to explain how you felt?
    I go back and forth constantly from my hormone levels. I have pretty much learned to shut off my emotions to it other than anger. Low test is a lot like crashed estrogen. Just a general bitch feeling is what I get. Weak whiny and somewhat sad at times. Ignore it and push through and it should rebound quick.

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    I took 20mg of nolva on 700mg npp with no issues. Serms make me feel shiddy regardless usually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    I took 20mg of nolva on 700mg npp with no issues. Serms make me feel shiddy regardless usually.
    What kinda results did you get on 700mg npp a week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geezuschrist View Post
    What kinda results did you get on 700mg npp a week?
    Nothing impressive a slight recomp but only ran it a few weeks and dropped dosage and swithed to tren .

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    Quote Originally Posted by geezuschrist View Post
    I felt inclined to make this post to just warn someone about crashing their e2 on purpose to combat gyno. Using letro or high amounts of arimidex or aromasin is not the way to reverse gyno. Nolva or ralo is the better alternative. I felt like total shit for weeks and it almost took me back to my pre trt days in the way I was feeling. The mental aspect of it is the worst for me. Bouts of depression and just feeling totally down. I've learned my lesson and i'm staying the hell away from low e2 from now on. I did this post blast while on trt so it has taken weeks for my estrogen to stabilze, but damn that was not a fun ride. Finally feeling better and stable again.
    Can be empathetic I've been feeling quite the same lately plus lot of widespread joint pain, yet the dose of arimidex I'm taking is ridiculous - 0.05mg daily.

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    Skin dehydration is another I'm getting. Does anyone experience alterations in sense of taste? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    Skin dehydration is another I'm getting. Does anyone experience alterations in sense of taste? Just curious.
    I can attest to the skin dehydration and very dry eyes along with dry hair. Can't say I've had a change in taste but definitely didn't have much of an appetite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geezuschrist View Post
    Can nolva be taken while on npp? I'm planning a cycle in a couple months and I've heard somewhere that you shouldn't take nolva while on deca, not sure if this is a myth
    you can but run aromasin instead of adex, you better dont take adex while taking nolva

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Just take 20mg of novla for 6 months and it will reverse it all. Kel has a study he posted about it on here. Maybe he will chime in.
    I don't think this would apply if tissue has formed though.

    Edit: ok I read study and maybe there is hope

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    Quote Originally Posted by john13 View Post
    you can but run aromasin instead of adex, you better dont take adex while taking nolva
    Why is this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixter View Post
    I don't think this would apply if tissue has formed though.

    Edit: ok I read study and maybe there is hope

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    It is effective. Especially on hard lump gyno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john13 View Post
    you can but run aromasin instead of adex, you better dont take adex while taking nolva

    I'm dying to hear why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Just take 20mg of novla for 6 months and it will reverse it all. Kel has a study he posted about it on here. Maybe he will chime in.
    You mean you can get rid of gyno without surgery? I've had gyno since childhood, I used to be morbidly obese for a decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruising View Post
    You mean you can get rid of gyno without surgery? I've had gyno since childhood, I used to be morbidly obese for a decade.
    Fatty tissue gyno is an entirely different animal than hard lump gyno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I'm dying to hear why.
    So it's okay to take nolva while taking npp or arimidex ? Don't know how these rumors get started

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    It is effective. Especially on hard lump gyno.
    Hmm that's exactly what I have. No fatty tissue just hard fibreous lumps fairly deep under the skin. Man I'd be incredibly stoked if this worked.

    I'm on trt #150/wk plus .5mg adex/wk. Will the nolva affect anything else that I need to be aware of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geezuschrist View Post
    So it's okay to take nolva while taking npp or arimidex? Don't know how these rumors get started
    Of course it is.

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    Hmm that's exactly what I have. No fatty tissue just hard fibreous lumps fairly deep under the skin. Man I'd be incredibly stoked if this worked.

    I'm on trt #150/wk plus .5mg adex/wk. Will the nolva affect anything else that I need to be aware of?

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    There is plenty of evidence it works... but it also antagonize the estrogen in the brain, so your open to mood and cognitive sides associated with low estrogen, but many seem to tolerate it well. Eventually if you can't stand 20mg/die you can drop to 10mg and though less effective it's better than nothing.

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