Why isn't fronting working?

**VII** · 10-28-2017, 08:24 PM

I've only got my own experience, but I can't be that different from you.

I've fronted both Test-E and Deca and they still take 4 weeks to kick in. Why is this? It must mean it's not about reaching maximum blood levels asap, but something else is going on.

I imagine if I hadn't fronted it would had kicked in 1-2 weeks later. So I will continue to front for that reason... but still... why?

**MuscleScience** · 10-28-2017, 08:33 PM

It takes the same amount of time for your body to react and adapt to the knew hormone. It’s got to build all kinds of enzymes and unblock genetic pathways and so on. Be patient you’re body knows what it’s doing.

**VII** · 10-28-2017, 08:41 PM

Is it's possible to speed up that process? Like, does the process require certain vitamins and minerals?

I guess building red blood cells is part of it. If so, supplementing iron could be benefical... You get my point.

**MuscleScience** · 10-28-2017, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by VII

Is it's possible to speed up that process? Like, does the process require certain vitamins and minerals?

I guess building red blood cells is part of it. If so, supplementing iron could be benefical... You get my point.

Generally people will use shorter ester compounds. For example, the two compounds you referenced are designed for slow and steady “timed,” release. So a number of enzymatic processes must occur before the compound can be activated. Orals or short acting esters like Test P and NPP are the “fast acting,” forms of those compounds and would probably speed up the pharmokinetics some.

I will defer to more experienced users on exactly how fast that process goes.

**VII** · 10-28-2017, 09:24 PM

Ah, that totally killed my little theory. The fact that short esters are quicker means the process is not about the testosterone , but the ester. Maybe or maybe not there's a way to break down the E-ester quicker, but either way I guess the simplest way to really front Test-E is with Test-P then.

**MuscleScience** · 10-28-2017, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by VII

Ah, that totally killed my little theory. The fact that short esters are quicker means the process is not about the testosterone, but the ester. Maybe or maybe not there's a way to break down the E-ester quicker, but either way I guess the simplest way to really front Test-E is with Test-P then.

Yes exactly, that’s what most people do that front load.

**VII** · 10-28-2017, 09:26 PM

I'm going a little bit off topic now, but if the E-ester takes 4 weeks to break down, how can 2 weeks off be enough before PCT?

**MuscleScience** · 10-28-2017, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by VII

I'm going a little bit off topic now, but if the E-ester takes 4 weeks to break down, how can 2 weeks off be enough before PCT?

It doesn’t take 4 weeks, it takes about a week for it to be all unbound and another week for the residual to clear.

**VII** · 10-29-2017, 12:22 AM

If you do a Test-P cycle, how many weeks does it take until it kicks in?

**Max562** · 10-29-2017, 04:16 AM

Short esters are for us that are impatient and dont mind pinning e.o.d or e.d...results will come quicker..

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**MuscleScience** · 10-29-2017, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by VII

If you do a Test-P cycle, how many weeks does it take until it kicks in?

Probably double. So if your “feeling,” it kick on in 4 weeks. Then you might feel it in 2. But also, once you have done a number of cycles. You’re room for improvement decreases so you get much less of a boost each cycle.

**songdog** · 10-30-2017, 09:10 AM

And front loading is old school not really used by people who know better or wat I am trying to say is experience.

**ScotchGuard02** · 10-30-2017, 12:12 PM

I front loaded when I was starting cycling. I found that in the long run, that is how much muscle I can keep after PCT, front loading didn't really matter too much. If you want to front load, go ahead. Dbol /Tbol makes you strong as an ox but retains a lot of water. I just don't like the puffy cheeks look. If you're interested in front loading with Test instead of Dbol/Tbol, you can run Test suspension as a front load. It's pretty hard core to run Test suspension IMO. Undissolved Test are like teensy weensy crystals and you're shooting it into your muscles with water (or some other equivalent). I found found the PIP to be very uncomfortable. I don't like it. Again IMO, whether you front load or not you'll determine how much muscles you keep after PCT based more on your diet.