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    Can somebody explain why I don't need HCG?

    Hi everyone.

    I'm about 10 weeks into a Test E cycle at 600mg EW and around the 4 week mark I started getting gyno. I was already taking Aromasin but it wasn't doing the job so I added in Nolva @ 20mg ED and the combo of the two really helped my gyno go down significantly.

    However, around the same time I ran out of HCG and I haven't been taking it since. My testes have not shrunk at all, and are still producing full loads, sorry TMI.

    I am starting to think that the combo of Aromasin and Nolva is keeping my junk running without the HCG? I've run cycles in the past where I did experience testicular atrophy without HCG but never during those cycles did I run an AI and Nolva. This one, I don't seem to need any HCG and my junk still works without the HCG.

    Explain that you geniuses!

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadian77 View Post
    Hi everyone.

    I'm about 10 weeks into a Test E cycle at 600mg EW and around the 4 week mark I started getting gyno. I was already taking Aromasin but it wasn't doing the job so I added in Nolva @ 20mg ED and the combo of the two really helped my gyno go down significantly.

    However, around the same time I ran out of HCG and I haven't been taking it since. My testes have not shrunk at all, and are still producing full loads, sorry TMI.

    I am starting to think that the combo of Aromasin and Nolva is keeping my junk running without the HCG? I've run cycles in the past where I did experience testicular atrophy without HCG but never during those cycles did I run an AI and Nolva. This one, I don't seem to need any HCG and my junk still works without the HCG.

    Explain that you geniuses!
    Wait until you are 50 and taking TRT and your ball get smaller and painful. Your Nuts still produce sperm but when your boys are not making testosterone .

    I think people took AAS long before they discovered HCG and its benefits. HCG basically just maintain testicular function, allowing for an easier recovery of testicular function post cycle. Just look at the PI for HCG and you can read all the studies and why it is RX to people. But its not something you "have" to do. I happen to like Deez Nuts so I take it.

    If your looking for a geniuses to put up all the studes and walk you through the pathophysiology of your boys.....not going to happen. Read and get back with us on all the research that says you should not use it.

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    Not everyone suffers (immediately) from testicular atrophy when on cycle. Normally though over time it will occur. The purpose of HCG is not for your "junk to work" in the way you described, it's to maintain testicular function by producing intra-testicular T and E. By doing so you avoid the total shutdown of your testicals and thus hopefully make pct more effective and efficient.

    At the week 4 mark when you started to get gyno symptoms it would have been a great learning tool for you to have pulled BW to evaluate E2 levels. That said, if your name is indicative of where you're from then I'm aware that's a problem. Smart move running low dose nolva. If gyno prone there nothing wrong with it while on cycle.
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    Can somebody explain why I don't need HCG?-baby-squirrel-deeznuts.jpg

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    I did pull BW. E2 was elevated but not overly..... also looked at progesterone and prolactin. Actually quite surprised I even got this reaction. I've had higher numbers in the past without gyno issues. Must just be more prone these days.

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    Our bodies change over time. When I started TRT I did not need an AI. Now I do on the same protocol. It's why routine BW is so important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Our bodies change over time. When I started TRT I did not need an AI. Now I do on the same protocol. It's why routine BW is so important.
    True. It could be that something could lead an aromatase increasing as one is growing older.

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