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    No reaction on steroids.

    Hi.
    4 years on/off. I'm not expert in steroids but in know how it works and how my body reacts to it. But this one I cant figure out.
    I was on test cycle (1.2g/week), all was fine (blood work shows test at 4670 ng/dl), got ill for 3 weeks, went to gym only 1-2 times a weeks. In those 3 weeks I run (Pharmacom gear), and I felt good. Then I run out of Pharmacom and had to buy other brand (Genesis), run it for 3 weeks (1g/week) and did blood work (test was at 700 ng/dl) so I figured its bunk, so I got hold of Pharmacom again and run it (1g/week) for 3weeks and did blood work again (test at 800 ng/dl).

    Whats wrong any advice? Why test is not increasing? Genesis might be bung/fake, but Pharmacom is legit, same source as before and all authenticity codes checked trough their website was good to go.
    My next step is to get test from pharmacy (I can get legit Omnadren , I just have very bad acne from it) and see if really both of those gears ware fake. I really don't think that Pharmacom was fake.

    Have done longer and harder cycle before without problems.

    English not native. Apologies if hard to understand.. Still would like to know experienced user thoughts.

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    I think you got some fake gear. It happens. People clone sites, gear, names, etc. I wish people would spend half the amount of time working instead of trying to rip people off. Bloodwork always will tell if you got fake gear.

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    Pharmacom claims if authenticity code checks good then vial is 100% good.

    Dont know if link will be added:

    Please don't post link to other forums. Thanks
    Last edited by almostgone; 11-24-2017 at 07:10 PM.

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    check your pharmacom gear on their site to see if its real man. That will help loads.

    pharmacomlabs.com/code

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    (code is on the top off the box and like a scratch card)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kashmar View Post
    Pharmacom claims if authenticity code checks good then vial is 100% good.

    Dont know if link will be added:
    Snap haha
    Last edited by almostgone; 11-24-2017 at 07:11 PM. Reason: Deleted link posted by OP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    (code is on the top off the box and like a scratch card)
    code is good and have been checked only once (by me). Bought that vial from same source then before. This is my 6th bottle of Pharmacom this year. That's why it think it cant be fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    check your pharmacom gear on their site to see if its real man. That will help loads.

    pharmacomlabs.com/code
    Learn something new every day on this site.

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    If the codes check then its clearly not fake so thats not the issue......

    Will be keeping an eye out in this thread hoping some experience can lend a hand.

    Maybe you just overloaded or the bunked shit fucked up your test levels. I am sure someone will help so sit tight bud.

    In the future only use coded gear. Id personally never use anything that dint have codes (SIS, Pharmacom etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTahl View Post
    Learn something new every day on this site.

    Is that sarcasm lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    Is that sarcasm lol
    No not at all. It is good information. I get mine via the pharmacy now (test) but when I go looking for Tren again I will check it out if I go to this lab.

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    Yes mate. Always check the code man
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    I would edit that out or you will get a shit ton of PMs.

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    I pity guys using pharmacom.
    They are overpriced as hell and the child of eroids.
    Its a payola scam to make you pay double.

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    Bump.
    Anyone with long use experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    I pity guys using pharmacom.
    They are overpriced as hell and the child of eroids.
    Its a payola scam to make you pay double.

    Rather pay more to check codes man. Although SIS is cheaper and you can also check the codes..

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    pharmacom is an UGL.
    Just because its code verifies does't mean it isn't bunk.

    If bloodwork shows it's bunk then it is bunk.
    And a test level of 800 while running a gram a week shows that it is bunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    Rather pay more to check codes man. Although SIS is cheaper and you can also check the codes..
    Checking codes is kinda like the chinese hgh cap color system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    If bloodwork shows it's bunk then it is bunk.
    And a test level of 800 while running a gram a week shows that it is bunk.

    And there's your answer.
    -*- NO SOURCE CHECKS -*-

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    Update:

    Got Omnadren from local pharmacy. Pinned 750mg total in 3 days (2 separate shots EOD). Did blood work today that is after 5 days from first Omnadren pin. Test results come out at 105 ng/ml (10500 ng/dl). Crazy Omnadren?!

    p.s: got Estradiol at 62 pg/ml, using AI at high dose. Whats your personal experience and thought of whats the best level of estrogen. Some say 50 is OK, some say 15. So then in between - around 30 pg/ml? Not sensitive to gyno, do have high blood pressure problems (not wonder at these test levels) and mild acne at this (62) level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kashmar View Post
    Update:

    Got Omnadren from local pharmacy. Pinned 750mg total in 3 days (2 separate shots EOD). Did blood work today that is after 5 days from first Omnadren pin. Test results come out at 105 ng/ml (1050 ng/dl). Crazy Omnadren?!

    p.s: got Estradiol at 62 pg/ml, using AI at high dose. Whats your personal experience and thought of whats the best level of estrogen. Some say 50 is OK, some say 15. So then in between - around 30 pg/ml? Not sensitive to gyno, do have high blood pressure problems (not wonder at these test levels) and mild acne at this (62) level.
    Omnadren has some longer esters in it , even decanoate I believe . So its going to take longer then a few days to build up total testosterone levels .

    Personally I would not be happy with 1000 ngdl of total test if I was pinning 750mg per week , I'd want 4000+

    In regards to Estradiol , whats important Imo , is the ratio of test to estrogen . As testosterone goes up then naturally E will go up as well. thats a good thing and a balanced ratio . If however estrogen elevates when your Test is not elevated then thats bad , likewise if estrogen is super low yet test is very high then thats out of balance as well.

    keep in mind that the NORMAL range of estradiol on blood work is for NORMAL people , i.e, guys that are not enhanced .
    If you have supra-physiological levels of testosterone then that Estradiol range is not normal for you. Your going to be and should be high (of course too high and you'll have problems).

    you have to find what feels good for you and is side effect free for you . too many guys Imo jump on a bunch of Test and then attempt to keep their estrogen in the low normal range , when it shouldn't be there, by taking a crap ton too much AI . there is zero point in trying to keep estrogen that low when your blasting a bunch of test .

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    Sorry i did typo with ng/dl. Its 10500 ng/dl (105 ng/ml), thats why I wrote "crazy Omnadren ". I cant figure out how fast could my results jump in 5 days. From 800 to 10500 ng/dl.

    Usually on 1g UGL test-e/week I have 4000-5000 ng/dl. On this Omnadren with 1.5g/week two years ago I had 9800 ng/dl. Never this high. Could it be that Pharmacom was "stuck" and suddenly released and spiked in blood system and with combination with pharmacy Omnadren I got this high levels. Never had this kind of interesting situation. Usually everything goes by book.

    Not that I'm unhappy with those levels, just curios what happened.. was that Pharmacom bunk or what?
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    Just something to think about:

    Someone tell me wtf it is any ugl would cut gear dosages with raw prices @ 1/20th retail markup??? I know some do but why?

    It totally disgraces your operation over making a few more bucks. One thing I really miss about Alin is I never had to doubt purity in the least. It was everything pharma grade is. The amount of business a ugl loses over cut gear will never equal profit in doing so.

    Raws are gd cheap and tossing in some BA and oil doesn't cost much. Why sell a second rate product????
    Ignorance

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    In documentary movie Under Construction 2 in scene where he meets with UGL dealer (if it was not staged) hey sort of explain one reason for doing it - cant import so much raw material to supply demand. So instead of saying to dealers "we dont have at the moment..wait" and lose money they do whats necessary to keep money coming in - selling very expensive oil. At least its according to that movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kashmar View Post
    In documentary movie Under Construction 2 in scene where he meets with UGL dealer (if it was not staged) hey sort of explain one reason for doing it - cant import so much raw material to supply demand. So instead of saying to dealers "we dont have at the moment..wait" and lose money they do whats necessary to keep money coming in - selling very expensive oil. At least its according to that movie.
    Makes sense from that point bit it still causes more distrust than anything. All it takes is one reputable guy online to say something is underdosed and turn hundreds away. I am very careful to say good things about a source if I ever say anything bad. If a source is selling cut gear and I find out I make it my duty to let everyone know as fast as possible. What I say carries weight because I do not make shit up.

    Real Pharmacom gear is always good and I know a lot of guys that use them. Their shipping is pretty good too. Their prices absolutely suck.

    Alin, best gear you can get, you always get your product, the shipping time for oils and communication absolutely suck.

    My new sources are excellent communicators and extremely fast. If I found out I got cut gear via one of my new sources I would publicly hang their ass. I have sent them a lot of guys and built an honest reputation. Cutting gear is the worst thing a person can do for their business.

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    I guess its down to the source you use no? With that being said, id rather pay premium for premium product.

    My Pharmacom compounds and SIS have been delivered next dat for 7, but its down to the retailer I guess and what they stock.

    They sell Alpha Pharma but the reviews online are not positive!

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    What the most reputable brand here?


    ALPHA PHARMA

    PHARMACOM

    SIS

    LIMING LABS

    AS LABS

    DRAGON PHARMA

    BM PHARMA

    MED-TECH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    I guess its down to the source you use no? With that being said, id rather pay premium for premium product.

    My Pharmacom compounds and SIS have been delivered next dat for 7, but its down to the retailer I guess and what they stock.

    They sell Alpha Pharma but the reviews online are not positive!
    SIS imo is the best in Europe atm and it's not overpriced either.

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    Yeah decent prices man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Real Pharmacom gear is always good and I know a lot of guys that use them. Their shipping is pretty good too. Their prices absolutely suck.
    Depends where you buy. I never have paid even close for what they sell for in www. I got them straight from dealers hands. Have been doing so for 4 years and this was first time i got fake gear. I lived in UK and now I'm back in ex-soviet country and I can tell you that gear price is almost half of what it is in UK, don't know why.. We have the same brands then you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kashmar View Post
    Depends where you buy. I never have paid even close for what they sell for in www. I got them straight from dealers hands. Have been doing so for 4 years and this was first time i got fake gear. I lived in UK and now I'm back in ex-soviet country and I can tell you that gear price is almost half of what it is in UK, don't know why.. We have the same brands then you.
    I cant list the store in the open which I viewed pharmacom gear but it is their primary retailer.

    Currently I pay $35 for 10 ml of test or tren ace is $38.
    Damn near everything falls into that range per 10 ml and is not underdosed.
    Pharmacom is eroids #1 because they pay them the most. They have average service and standard product. Many guys way lower on the list have better and faster service with the same quality.

    At Pharmacom I can spend 1200 on a cycle that will run me $400 damn near anywhere else. I hate eroids with a fiery passion. Buncha kids trash talking and moderators paid to push a product. Give a bad review on a top source with bloodwork and they will remove it. The entire site pushes what pays and pretends to be in it for the lil guy.

    Pharmacom as listed on eroids is a newbie source for people who haven't been around the game long.

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    Also, I have no idea what this game is like in the UK.
    I live in the US.

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    Gear is easily attainable here in the UK.Costs about the same in numbers sterling,as it does dollars in the US,so it's slightly more
    expensive based on the exchange rate.
    I'm using Unipharma from Bangkok,it's very well packaged,and seems good quality.
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    My entire cycle has cost me a small fortune

    3 x 10 Test E Amps (Pharmacom)
    3 x 100 Tbol (SIS)
    2 x Clomid
    2 x Nova
    2 x Arimidex
    hCG
    Needles
    Alchohol wipes.


    Its been 800 easy but its from a very good trusted website who has amazing customer service, next day delivery and I got what I came to learn was the best gear (thats what ive read multiple times)

    As someone said to me, this game aint cheap son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    My entire cycle has cost me a small fortune

    3 x 10 Test E Amps (Pharmacom)
    3 x 100 Tbol (SIS)
    2 x Clomid
    2 x Nova
    2 x Arimidex
    hCG
    Needles
    Alchohol wipes.


    Its been 800 easy but its from a very good trusted website who has amazing customer service, next day delivery and I got what I came to learn was the best gear (thats what ive read multiple times)

    As someone said to me, this game aint cheap son.
    Gear ain't shit compared to food. I spent more on preworkout and sups than gear on a gigantic tren cycle with npp and test. I ordered extra test for trt too.

    Still I would pay $300 for the same stuff and get it inside a week from order. Pharmacom is priced as high and higher than pharm grade. Thats just ridonculous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Gear ain't shit compared to food. I spent more on preworkout and sups than gear on a gigantic tren cycle with npp and test. I ordered extra test for trt too.

    Still I would pay $300 for the same stuff and get it inside a week from order. Pharmacom is priced as high and higher than pharm grade. Thats just ridonculous
    Don't buy preworkout,and the only supps are a tub of whey protein.Like you say,food is paramount.
    By the way dude,does 'ridonculous' mean ridiculous to the power of say 1000? cos it's never been in my
    vocabulary,but it sure the fuck is now!
    FUCKING RIDONCULOUS!!! YEEEEHAAAAAAAAA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nogbad the bad View Post
    Don't buy preworkout,and the only supps are a tub of whey protein.Like you say,food is paramount.
    By the way dude,does 'ridonculous' mean ridiculous to the power of say 1000? cos it's never been in my
    vocabulary,but it sure the fuck is now!
    FUCKING RIDONCULOUS!!! YEEEEHAAAAAAAAA!
    My preworkout is ephedrine and caffeine. Supplements sich as creatine, arginine, taurine, fish oil, milk thistle, b-12, N-acetylcystein, niacin, and others are not just beneficial to anabolic tendancies. They can save you from artery issue, liver issues, cramping, cholesterol issues, and heart problems.

    Whey protein is not very valuable but I buy it for days when I dont or didnt have enough to eat. Basically to chase a meal.

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    Also ridonculous is old to the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    My preworkout is ephedrine and caffeine. Supplements sich as creatine, arginine, taurine, fish oil, milk thistle, b-12, N-acetylcystein, niacin, and others are not just beneficial to anabolic tendancies. They can save you from artery issue, liver issues, cramping, cholesterol issues, and heart problems.

    Whey protein is not very valuable but I buy it for days when I dont or didnt have enough to eat. Basically to chase a meal.
    IMHO taking both NAC and Milk thistle has no real benefit. Just stay with NAC and spend the extra money on food. But if you drink then take both before you drink, before you go to bed and when you wake up.

    No way could I work out on caffeine and ephedrine, I would be shaking way to bad. I have found eating a couple of apples works best for pre-workout. The natural sugars in apples will last longer and its natural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    IMHO taking both NAC and Milk thistle has no real benefit. Just stay with NAC and spend the extra money on food. But if you drink then take both before you drink, before you go to bed and when you wake up.

    No way could I work out on caffeine and ephedrine, I would be shaking way to bad. I have found eating a couple of apples works best for pre-workout. The natural sugars in apples will last longer and its natural.
    Ephedrine is complex. As a beta 2 agonist you begin to downregulate quickly and while it rebounds just as fast, after time though you start to develop a natural higher tolerance. Ephedrine also increases norepinephrine which is an alpha agonist.

    I have wondered if it possibly is counterproductive in terms of receptor saturation, while on cycle. I.E. is it competing for or hindering receptors from accepting anabolics????

    Someone answer that which is in bold. ^^^

    Ephedrine is proven to temporarily increase strength but it is unknown exactly how. I do know that I can throw on a pump like no other with it.

    As far as milk thistle, most have decided its not nearly close to NAC. My point was, when on cycle, AAS is relatively inexpensive. Done correctly most should spend more on bloodwork.

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