34 year old - Baseline Test 604.10

[MACKATTACK]

Is 604.10 baseline a good test level for a 34 year old male? 6'4 240.

[charger69]

I would say yes, but the levels are dependent on the lab. You should have the “low limit” on the test results. What is your free test?


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[MACKATTACK]

I would say yes, but the levels are dependent on the lab. You should have the “low limit” on the test results. What is your free test?


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I didn't ask what my free test was. The nurse said it would range from 250 to 800 or something like that. I can always call again and ask for the free test, I actually didn't see the page, I just called in.

[charger69]

I didn't ask what my free test was. The nurse said it would range from 250 to 800 or something like that. I can always call again and ask for the free test, I actually didn't see the page, I just called in.

That is pretty good. Why did you get test checked? Just to know or are you trying to analyze a symptom?


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[kelkel]

Have them send you a copy of the full blood work. It's yours, you paid for it.

[GearHeaded]

600 is good , but you need to know more . Like how much of that is getting converted to E , Dht, and how much free test is available .

[MACKATTACK]

That is pretty good. Why did you get test checked? Just to know or are you trying to analyze a symptom?


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I met my deductible for the year for insurance and I was feeling tired, so I was like its free and I have been thinking about doing a test only cycle in late winter. So I got a lot of tests ran just to make sure I wasn't deficient in any area.

Have them send you a copy of the full blood work. It's yours, you paid for it.

I will get a copy

600 is good , but you need to know more . Like how much of that is getting converted to E , Dht, and how much free test is available .

Ok cool, thanks for the heads up brotha.

[GearHeaded]

I met my deductible for the year for insurance and I was feeling tired, so I was like its free and I have been thinking about doing a test only cycle in late winter. So I got a lot of tests ran just to make sure I wasn't deficient in any area..

good thinking and way to be proactive !

[MACKATTACK]

good thinking and way to be proactive !

Yea I want to do this right for the first time. I have never ran any injectable aas before so I want to dot all the I's and cross all the T's before I take the plunge. I have ran pharm grade HGH norditropin and seros at 2 different times before which was awesome, minus the GH naps needed.

So the plan originally was 300mg Test E only to start but with discussions with close friends more of a 400 to 500mg Test E only cycle to start. I just want to find pharm grade for the first time Test E, I don't care about costs just want the best gear I can get.

[GearHeaded]

Yea I want to do this right for the first time. I have never ran any injectable aas before so I want to dot all the I's and cross all the T's before I take the plunge. I have ran pharm grade HGH norditropin and seros at 2 different times before which was awesome, minus the GH naps needed.

So the plan originally was 300mg Test E only to start but with discussions with close friends more of a 400 to 500mg Test E only cycle to start. I just want to find pharm grade for the first time Test E, I don't care about costs just want the best gear I can get.

being your natty test levels are in a good range , then you'll want to run your first cycle of test in the slightly higher range , so yeah 400-500 . if your natty levels were on the low end, then you could get by with less like 300 .

I've been on TRT for years and years and have used anti aging clinics and gotten several prescription grade Anabolics . I have to say that now-a-days some of the labs have gotten really really good and are better dosed then the Pharma gear . so wither you obtain actual prescription gear , or you use a really good lab , the results will be very similar Imo

[MACKATTACK]

being your natty test levels are in a good range , then you'll want to run your first cycle of test in the slightly higher range , so yeah 400-500 . if your natty levels were on the low end, then you could get by with less like 300 .

I've been on TRT for years and years and have used anti aging clinics and gotten several prescription grade Anabolics . I have to say that now-a-days some of the labs have gotten really really good and are better dosed then the Pharma gear . so wither you obtain actual prescription gear , or you use a really good lab , the results will be very similar Imo

I guess my biggest concern is PIP, so I didn't want any of that with bad processed stuff or too much BA. So a few of my friends have connections and obviously I had sources also I have used for HGH that were solid but I am a research type guy, I will research and read reviews and track records of everything prior to buying anything, especially on this level. I used to use a couple sources for Anavar too back in the day but that was like the top lab in the US that got shut down, I think they were in Florida then.

[David LoPan]

I guess my biggest concern is PIP, so I didn't want any of that with bad processed stuff or too much BA. So a few of my friends have connections and obviously I had sources also I have used for HGH that were solid but I am a research type guy, I will research and read reviews and track records of everything prior to buying anything, especially on this level. I used to use a couple sources for Anavar too back in the day but that was like the top lab in the US that got shut down, I think they were in Florida then.

There are still clinics in florida that have pharm grade AAS like Anavar . If cost if the issue then you can be be treated for "aging". You get the real deal but it is not cheap.

[MACKATTACK]

There are still clinics in florida that have pharm grade AAS like Anavar. If cost if the issue then you can be be treated for "aging". You get the real deal but it is not cheap.

I am in NY and my one buddy has a doctor I went to once that is very "liberal" about prescribing but I just felt so shady going to him. I guess just finding a solid source for pharm grade aas online is my comfort zone.

[David LoPan]

I am in NY and my one buddy has a doctor I went to once that is very "liberal" about prescribing but I just felt so shady going to him. I guess just finding a solid source for pharm grade aas online is my comfort zone.

If he will write you test and HCG than it is much better than getting it online. Love liberal doctors but keep asking questions on here. Lots of very knowledgeable people here and some are doctors. You just never know.

[MACKATTACK]

Yea so far, my setup is looking like this:

500mg Test E

Test E: 10 Weeks, 2 shots a Week 250mg each shot (monday/friday)

Aromasin Pharm grade: 12.5mg ED

Proviron 50mg ED

PCT: Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 50/50/50/50, started 2 weeks after last shot of Test E.


I may pick up some Letro JUST in case.......when I was a kid I had bad gyno that was removed surgically.

[GearHeaded]

Yea so far, my setup is looking like this:

500mg Test E

Test E: 10 Weeks, 2 shots a Week 250mg each shot (monday/friday)

Aromasin Pharm grade: 12.5mg ED

Proviron 50mg ED

PCT: Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 50/50/50/50, started 2 weeks after last shot of Test E.


I may pick up some Letro JUST in case.......when I was a kid I had bad gyno that was removed surgically.

looking at whats in bold, sounds like your really afraid of estrogen . plus your running proviron which has slight anti E properties as well . really . whats your goal with this cycle , if you want to add size then all that anti estrogen protocols aren't going to help.
if you think your gyno prone then just run a serm with the cycle at low dose

[MACKATTACK]

looking at whats in bold, sounds like your really afraid of estrogen . plus your running proviron which has slight anti E properties as well . really . whats your goal with this cycle , if you want to add size then all that anti estrogen protocols aren't going to help.
if you think your gyno prone then just run a serm with the cycle at low dose

Letro is precautionary which I most likely won't need. (may not even order)

Proviron is for the hardening and help with bloat there are a lot of conflicting info if proviron really works as an AI.

Also Aromasin has a short half life so thats why I am taking it ED but I am splitting the 25mg pill in half to do 12.5mg a day.

[GearHeaded]

Letro is precautionary which I most likely won't need. (may not even order)

Proviron is for the hardening and help with bloat there are a lot of conflicting info if proviron really works as an AI.

Also Aromasin has a short half life so thats why I am taking it ED but I am splitting the 25mg pill in half to do 12.5mg a day.

you won't need Letro on 500mg of test . especially when your running an AI daily . to put it in perspective , I have cruised on 250-500mg of test as my TRT (also 200mg test with 500eq) and take my AI 2x per week is all at low dose.. 500mg of test with no other estrogenic compounds is all your doing, you really don't need to be that aggressive with estrogen control (unless your prepping for a bodybuilding show and need E crashed).

I'm still a fan of Letro, and have it on hand and use it quite often (though don't recommend it for beginners). theres a big difference from a beginner using it with only 500 mg of test , and someone needing it cause they run 1gram of test with 700mg of dbol and 350mg of ment . with that type of bulk shit can get out of hand and Letro is awesome . only 500mg of test though with nothing more, I don't even check and see how much AI I have left , let alone Letro.

also just cause a drug has a short half life does not mean you have to dose it daily . dose it to accomplish the needed goal . Aromasin will inhibit aromatization for days after taking it , you don't "have to" maintain steady blood levels of it consistently to work it does its job when its active and you don't need it active 24/7 . also keep in mind if a drugs half life is 2 days , it means its still working and in your system to some degree for 4 days


your use of proviron for "hardening" , yet you question wither proviron has anti-estrogenic effects or not . LOL , how else in the world would proviron give any 'hardening' effects without being anti-estrogenic !!? its not anabolic , so the only capacity it has at muscle hardening is drying you out through anti estrogen effects or binding shbg and letting other hardening compounds work better .

sorry long post , just trying to help you out though

[MACKATTACK]

I got ya. I will not be ordering Letro.

I am going to run the cycle as listed.

The proviron was recommended by my friend. Originally it was going to be Test E only.

[GearHeaded]

I got ya. I will not be ordering Letro.

I am going to run the cycle as listed.

The proviron was recommended by my friend. Originally it was going to be Test E only.

proviron is great and will make any cycle better for the most part

[kelkel]

also just cause a drug has a short half life does not mean you have to dose it daily . dose it to accomplish the needed goal . Aromasin will inhibit aromatization for days after taking it , you don't "have to" maintain steady blood levels of it consistently to work it does its job when its active and you don't need it active 24/7 . also keep in mind if a drugs half life is 2 days , it means its still working and in your system to some degree for 4 days

It's always the math.