Should I stop my cycle ?! Gyno

[michaelmike222]

Advice please..

I am 38, 6'2, 180... started my first cycle of Test E (Pharm grade) 3 weeks ago. No stacking, just Test only cycle as recommended for first cycle. For AI I have been using over the counter Arimistane by Hardcore Formulations (Androst 3,5-den-7,17-dione 3-deoxy-7-oxo- DHEA). Second week, I started getting the itchy nipples and very sensitive to touch, so I upped my dose to 100mg per day. Now week 3, I still have very sore and itchy nipples and starting to feel glands. Not sure if Arimistane is doing the job since it is over the counter.

Preface - about 7 years ago, I took some over the counter "pro-hormones" (Tren -Extreme) and developed SEVERE gyno to where I had to get surgery for gyno removal. So my glands are removed but there are still some left to because the Doc said my nipples would look caved in if he removed completely. I am HEAVILY gyno prone, I get gyno passing by a GNC store..

Now - I am 3rd week in my test cycle and I am feeling the remaining glands swell severely. I have ordered Arimidex which should arrive next week (source issues killing me). Should I stop 3 weeks in and continue after my arimidex arrives? Will Arimidex actually reverse some of the gland swelling and the pain? Is Aromasin a better choice?

I would appreciate some advice from the senior members.

Regards,

[wrecks72]

Stopping would be a decision you have to make. I don't think you had what you needed to have on hand before starting a cycle especially knowing you're gyno prone. Not a smart decision but obviously we're past that. Imo opinion you need nolvadex to reverse the current gyno.
SERM/AI Definition

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[michaelmike222]

I agree. Now I am in i bind trying to figure out whether I should just continue with arimidex or stop at 3 weeks and jump on Nolvadex .

[GearHeaded]

if you knew you were so gyno prone then why didn't you run a SERM on cycle to begin with. thats common protocol

[michaelmike222]

Not informed enough to know I guess. I thought Nolvadex (serm) was for pct not during cycle. What can you suggest now? Should I just jump on arimidex and continue cycle? I actually have Torem for my PCT . Is that good as Nolva? Need some advice please so I don't dig my grave deeper.

[< <Samson> >]

Hearing randomness so far,


It's a fairly simple array of meds, nolvadex (or for the fancy folk, Raloxifine) for gyno(while on or off), PCT of nolva & clomid


If you really feel like you wanna do some weird shit - look into Letrozole - but, IMO it's not necessary

[michaelmike222]

Hearing randomness so far,


It's a fairly simple array of meds, nolvadex (or for the fancy folk, Raloxifine) for gyno(while on or off), PCT of nolva & clomid


If you really feel like you wanna do some weird shit - look into Letrozole - but, IMO it's not necessary

So arimidex won't do anything for me at this point? I was thinking since it's early stages that bringing down my estrogen levels would calm the binding around the nips...

[GearHeaded]

from my understanding arimidex only inhibits aromatization (the conversion of test into estrogen via the aromatase enzyme) and will do nothing for the estrogen that is already bound to the receptor. thats where a SERM comes in, Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator. it takes care of the estrogen at the receptor site itself. Nolva or Ralox are Serms that will work.

if you want to bring down total blood levels of estrogen then Letro is the best thing at doing that.

if you want to prevent test from converting to estrogen in the first place then arimidex is best at doing that.

[wrecks72]

Torem is a SERM as well. I'd suggest starting it at 40-60 mgs a day since you have it on hand. I do not have any experience with it but from what I just read (google) it will work.
https://www.evolutionary.org/toremif...trate-fareston

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[< <Samson> >]

people really do damn near no research on the shit that they put into their own body



U b aight

[magic32]

Hearing randomness so far,

If you really feel like you wanna do some weird shit - look into Letrozole - but, IMO it's not necessary

Very true! Where's the help in this thread?

NO, YOU DO NOT NEED TO DISCONTINUE THE CYCLE!!!

All SERMS work, but are better while off cycle. AIs are preferred while on cycle as they don't hinder development.

Arimidex is mild and for preventive use, especially for those who are prone...start it prior to cycling. Letro is NOT weird, it's the potent clinically preferred treatment, even in breast cancer therapy. When gyno presents during cycle, begin a course of Letro!!!

Note: The onset of gyno can be quite subtle and precede aesthetic changes, thus ANY TIME YOU EVEN NOTICE your nipples, begin a course of Letro. "Notice" as in rubbing against shirt/chaffing, tingling, itching, or EVEN thinking about them...all of which is uncommon.

Best to you.

[michaelmike222]

Thanks gentleman... Going on arimidex and see if things calm down. Got my glands out so it's like being bitten by a dog with no teeth. FUCK gyno.

[wrecks72]

Very true! Where's the help in this thread?

NO, YOU DO NOT NEED TO DISCONTINUE THE CYCLE!!!

All SERMS work, but are better while off cycle. AIs are preferred while on cycle as they don't hinder development.

Arimidex is mild and for preventive use, especially for those who are prone...start it prior to cycling. Letro is NOT weird, it's the potent clinically preferred treatment, even in breast cancer therapy. When gyno presents during cycle, begin a course of Letro!!!

Note: The onset of gyno can be quite subtle and precede aesthetic changes, thus ANY TIME YOU EVEN NOTICE your nipples, begin a course of Letro. "Notice" as in rubbing against shirt/chaffing, tingling, itching, or EVEN thinking about them...all of which is uncommon.

Best to you.

I think I've tried to help quite a bit but thank you for your input as well.

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[sumpm1]

Just chiming in here and giving my thoughts, by no means advice. I am gyno sensitive. I have found that adex is too slow of a compound when you have pressing gyno issues. I turned to using letro as my full time AI. You have to be careful and keep dosage of letro low. So while letro can be harsh and potent, you can work around it with dosage schedules and low dosages. It's easier to react to gyno instances if using letro.

[michaelmike222]

Very true! Where's the help in this thread?

NO, YOU DO NOT NEED TO DISCONTINUE THE CYCLE!!!

All SERMS work, but are better while off cycle. AIs are preferred while on cycle as they don't hinder development.

Arimidex is mild and for preventive use, especially for those who are prone...start it prior to cycling. Letro is NOT weird, it's the potent clinically preferred treatment, even in breast cancer therapy. When gyno presents during cycle, begin a course of Letro!!!

Note: The onset of gyno can be quite subtle and precede aesthetic changes, thus ANY TIME YOU EVEN NOTICE your nipples, begin a course of Letro. "Notice" as in rubbing against shirt/chaffing, tingling, itching, or EVEN thinking about them...all of which is uncommon.

Best to you.

Thanks for the info... I don't have Letro on hand and part of the problem with all this is getting what you need. Sometimes it is takes 2 weeks to get product. I am stopping my cycle to avoid further damage. I have been feeling all of the symptoms you mention above on my nipples for 2 weeks so it's foolish to continue without Letro.

Will Torem work? I have that on hand.

[GearHeaded]

Thanks for the info... I don't have Letro on hand and part of the problem with all this is getting what you need. Sometimes it is takes 2 weeks to get product. I am stopping my cycle to avoid further damage. I have been feeling all of the symptoms you mention above on my nipples for 2 weeks so it's foolish to continue without Letro.

Will Torem work? I have that on hand.

you've had a SERM like Torem just sitting on hand this whole time lol . if you think gyno is flaring up and you have a serm then theres no harm in just taking it

[Obs]

Hearing randomness so far,


It's a fairly simple array of meds, nolvadex (or for the fancy folk, Raloxifine) for gyno(while on or off), PCT of nolva & clomid


If you really feel like you wanna do some weird shit - look into Letrozole - but, IMO it's not necessary

Lmao beautifully put!

And if your feeling extra fruity get some toremifene!

[Obs]

you've had a SERM like Torem just sitting on hand this whole time lol . if you think gyno is flaring up and you have a serm then theres no harm in just taking it

Hell yeah! I frequently raid my medicine cabinet and eat things I have no clue about!
Lol sorry I had to...

[GearHeaded]

Hell yeah! I frequently raid my medicine cabinet and eat things I have no clue about!
Lol sorry I had to...

lol , reminds me of making the mistake of trying rec drugs years back (I won't name the drugs being rec drug talk is not allowed). but you do one drug , like it , then a bit later your unsure about it , then you take another drug to offset that drug.. then all the sudden your freaking out like wtf should I do now, eat , sleep ( I can't sleep), run a couple miles, or etc.. then you pass out and wake up thinking holy shit I feel like shit, what drug should I take to make this go away now.

AAS is so much easier. take what works its really not that complicated . serm is a serm is a serm

[Obs]

lol , reminds me of making the mistake of trying rec drugs years back (I won't name the drugs being rec drug talk is not allowed). but you do one drug , like it , then a bit later your unsure about it , then you take another drug to offset that drug.. then all the sudden your freaking out like wtf should I do now, eat , sleep ( I can't sleep), run a couple miles, or etc.. then you pass out and wake up thinking holy shit I feel like shit, what drug should I take to make this go away now.

AAS is so much easier. take what works its really not that complicated . serm is a serm is a serm

I like nolva. Its everywhere. Pretty sure its growing under my couch cushions.

[GearHeaded]

I like nolva. Its everywhere. Pretty sure its growing under my couch cushions.

its funny how there are so many various opinions . but how many of those things actually really do work.
eg.
500mg of test you need an AI like arimdex .25 eod (fine that works)
500mg of test you need No AI at all just run low dose nolva to prevent estrogen from binding to the receptor site (that works too)

some guys do better from option one (as for sides), some guys grow better from option two . its all depends on the person, but really lots of options work

[< <Samson> >]

lol , reminds me of making the mistake of trying rec drugs years back (I won't name the drugs being rec drug talk is not allowed). but you do one drug , like it , then a bit later your unsure about it , then you take another drug to offset that drug.. then all the sudden your freaking out like wtf should I do now, eat , sleep ( I can't sleep), run a couple miles, or etc.. then you pass out and wake up thinking holy shit I feel like shit, what drug should I take to make this go away now.

AAS is so much easier. take what works its really not that complicated . serm is a serm is a serm

Everything is pretty much like that - for me at has been at least



But, not any more - it's time to relax a bit




Juice IMO is much more manageable in most cases, I would say

[Obs]

its funny how there are so many various opinions . but how many of those things actually really do work.
eg.
500mg of test you need an AI like arimdex .25 eod (fine that works)
500mg of test you need No AI at all just run low dose nolva to prevent estrogen from binding to the receptor site (that works too)

some guys do better from option one (as for sides), some guys grow better from option two . its all depends on the person, but really lots of options work

When dealing with a newbie I give the general cookie cutter safe basis. Its up to them to adjust according to their bodies needs.

[michaelmike222]

Everything is pretty much like that - for me at has been at least



But, not any more - it's time to relax a bit




Juice IMO is much more manageable in most cases, I would say

You live and you learn..I am sure no one had the perfect first cycle here. The reason I ask about Torem is because I don't know for sure if it's comparable to Nolvadex and the last thing I want to do is put more shit in my body that I don't know about. There is very little to no info on this forum on Torem..reason I asked.

I can't even find dosage info on Torem on here as a PCT or while on cycle. Any suggestions?

[michaelmike222]

I like nolva. Its everywhere. Pretty sure its growing under my couch cushions.

I know source questions are a no no but where the fuck can I get some Nolva?!!

[GearHeaded]

spend approximately 4 minutes searching online and you'll likely find a source for Nolva.

heck I'm ordering Nolva as we speak and its even coming with free shipping

[GearHeaded]

spend approximately 4 minutes searching online and you'll likely find a source for Nolva.

heck I'm ordering Nolva as we speak and its even coming with free shipping

I'm not gyno prone nor do I do pct . I'm getting ready to run 2 grams of test though and don't want to take a shit ton of AI so going to use the Nolva at low dose daily this whole cycle (never personally went this route before)

yeah I like to experiment on myself but in the end a lot of you guys and clients of mine benefit from these experiments

[1moreset024]

lol , reminds me of making the mistake of trying rec drugs years back (I won't name the drugs being rec drug talk is not allowed). but you do one drug , like it , then a bit later your unsure about it , then you take another drug to offset that drug.. then all the sudden your freaking out like wtf should I do now, eat , sleep ( I can't sleep), run a couple miles, or etc.. then you pass out and wake up thinking holy shit I feel like shit, what drug should I take to make this go away now.

AAS is so much easier. take what works its really not that complicated . serm is a serm is a serm

Lol

"Sitting there in bed, hand on wrist checking pulse.....shit shit, this doesn't seem right...ah fuck it.... no wait!! I took this and this, on top of that weird shit in my pre-work out, a few monsters, done Ephedrine, ....yep, this is it, I'm dying."

Next day, ah to hell with it, I'mma take this smorgasbord again, had amazing energy in gym.

That night "I swear I'm not doing that again, I'm having another stroke...

Lol

[Obs]

Lol

"Sitting there in bed, hand on wrist checking pulse.....shit shit, this doesn't seem right...ah fuck it.... no wait!! I took this and this, on top of that weird shit in my pre-work out, a few monsters, done Ephedrine, ....yep, this is it, I'm dying."

Next day, ah to hell with it, I'mma take this smorgasbord again, had amazing energy in gym.

That night "I swear I'm not doing that again, I'm having another stroke...

Lol

Damn i know that feeling!