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    Any help is appreciated

    Ok guys I will start by saying thank you for the ones that answered my post to help. I definitely appreciate the input I will try to write as much info as needed and please any thought is appreciated. Ok let's start I'm 40yrs 180pds 5,9. I juiced in the past I love to exercise it was my past time. I was hurt last year due to an accident at work I had back surgery and everything I worked for was lost. I was 240pds when I was injured now I was to start juicing again slowly I see building back up my muscles will not only help me slowly work out my back but will support it as well. Instead of using that back bone as much my muscles will take over so with that being said my good friend put together some stuff to get me started. I want to lay out everything I have and I would like to know how should I start this from beginning to end. It's been 2 years since I pomed myself so please anyone with a legitiment opinion I would appreciate. I have the vitamins and such to take daily preworkout,vitamins,protein and such. The oil I have is as follows.1 10mg bottle test350, 2 10ml bottle test cyp100mg, 2 10ml bottles test prop100mg and 1 10ml bottle test base 100mg and 4 boxes 50tabs each of winstrol . Now here is what I was thinking. 1 half shot of test 350 on Monday 1 full shot of test cyp on Wednesday and 1 full shot of test cyp on saturday. Or I can do a full shot of 350monday 1 shot of test cyp on Wednesday and 1 shot of test cyp on Saturday. What is you guys opinions. Thanks guys

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    Welcome to the forums.

    Doesn't look like you're planning to take the winstrol , but just in case I'll emphasize avoiding winstrol.

    Here's what I think. You had a recent injury, so I wouldn't heavy up on anything that would give you more strength than your body can actually handle. I would start slow, as slow as a high TRT dose. 250mg of Test weekly. Certainly max at 350mg weekly. Stick to test e, twice weekly at 125 to 175mg.

    This would ease you back into the game. Help recovery at a reasonable pace. And not overwork your body. It's very easy to load up on juice and increase strength, but the strength isn't always a good thing with body parts still in recovery. So please don't underestimate the mind-tricks the added strength can play as to avoid further injury. Best of luck to you.

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    That makes perfect sense and I appreciate the advice. Let me be more specific and please any advice you give will be taken. I have the test e but it's 350 so I'm assuming your suggesting .5 twice a week? Now the test prop and test cyp are both 100mg bottles do u think I should avoid till I start back slow? I totally agree and I don't want to hurt myself so everything will be in a timely fashion. The injury was a back injury ending up have a surgery so I'm looking at gaining back my fitness to help support myself instead if using my back I can support in the muscle surrounding. The control I was considering after I put in a few pounds if that would be smart? Like I said I did this in the past and the little knowledge I have is from reading forums so u look to be very knowledgeable so I'm going to listen to your every word. I know i have to start off slow and easy and i will definately do just that. Im just wanting ease back in i felt so good exercising daily now i just have to watch what i do Again thank you so much for your time
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Welcome to the forums.

    Doesn't look like you're planning to take the winstrol , but just in case I'll emphasize avoiding winstrol.

    Here's what I think. You had a recent injury, so I wouldn't heavy up on anything that would give you more strength than your body can actually handle. I would start slow, as slow as a high TRT dose. 250mg of Test weekly. Certainly max at 350mg weekly. Stick to test e, twice weekly at 125 to 175mg.

    This would ease you back into the game. Help recovery at a reasonable pace. And not overwork your body. It's very easy to load up on juice and increase strength, but the strength isn't always a good thing with body parts still in recovery. So please don't underestimate the mind-tricks the added strength can play as to avoid further injury. Best of luck to you.

    Have a powerful day!
    Agree with above, but I'd also like to ask how far post surgery and current bf% you are. A lot of people think an aas cycle is a quick way back to previous, pre-injury, aesthetics and performance. From my experiences this isn't true most of the time unless you maintained healthy habits prior, during, and after injury/surgery

    I'd suggest a natural program first to rehab the back and get back on track with diet/strength and condition. Get the bw down naturally first, while this is happening it will allow the tendons to strength along with the muscle. Then do what is suggested above.

    If you were on top of diet and training to the best of your ability while managing this injury I'd say just start the above quoted suggestion. But seeing the change in bodyweight I have to assume that wasn't the case. I'd suggest to Naturally take care of the bw first, then the cycle will be better time (and money) spent

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    Thank you as well I did gain a tiny bit but I did quit smoking 8 months ago. The pain medication I was on basically kept my diet to a minimum. I worked offshore so the gym and diet was strictly chicken,fish,yogurt,protein drinks and such. The surgery was 6 months ago. I will definitely take it slow as in starting back the way I first did to definitely make sure I don't over do it. I been having the bottles stored away for about a year waiting for the day to start again that's why I was wondering how to start it off. I definitely want to Start slow and easy. Thank you

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    Guys I thank you all for the replys and again it's been 2 years since I lifted a weight so I'm starting again like I never even lifted. If anyone can give me guidance or even link me on snap or Facebook to follow and help me along the way I would be so appreciative. Here is the before and now. I was heavy when I was hitting it and after I got hurt it all went away this is yesterday. I loved working out and seeing gains there was nothing like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacollins34 View Post
    . The oil I have is as follows.1 10mg bottle test350, 2 10ml bottle test cyp100mg, 2 10ml bottles test prop100mg and 1 10ml bottle test base 100mg and 4 boxes 50tabs each of winstrol. Now here is what I was thinking. 1 half shot of test 350 on Monday 1 full shot of test cyp on Wednesday and 1 full shot of test cyp on saturday. Or I can do a full shot of 350monday 1 shot of test cyp on Wednesday and 1 shot of test cyp on Saturday. What is you guys opinions. Thanks guys
    don't over complicate it . stick to just 300-400mg of test per week. start with the test 350 . pin that twice a week at 1/2 cc and when that is gone switch to the test cyp and dose it similarly. 350mg of test per week for 12 weeks is all you need for a come back cycle . forget the winny (if you have it and your tempted to run it anyways , keep the dose very low to just get the SHBG binding affinity out of it to free up more test, but thats it).

    I've had 4 back surgeries . I never waited 6 months to start exercising again though . My last surgery I was in a wheel chair for a week, a walker for a month, and when I finally graduated to a cain and a brace I was in the gym at least doing some very light machine work. so start things out light. stick to machine work and isolation work and stay away from compound movements that make you engage your core for right now (you can strengthen the core and the back at a later date once fully healed).

    what type of back surgery did you have?

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    Dude thank you this is the post I needed to read. I had the sectomy l5s1 my disc exploded I slipped down an inside stairwell and twisted they called it torching my spine. It twisted my spine and squeezed my disc. I had the surgery and was 50/50 walking again. I was working out daily juiced and in shape and a simple fall put me out. I'm living in an apartment condo and have a home gym with machine weights,treadmill stairclimber and everything I need. I was gonna start slow with the test and the .5 twice a week is what I was thinking I was also gonna do .5 twice a week of the cyp after 2 weeks into the test since I have 2 bottles of the cup so yours sound like I had in mind. I have 1 bottle of test 350, 2 bottles of test cyp 100, 1 bottle of test prop250, I bottle of test base (have no idea what it's for? It was thrown in with the others and 4 boxes of the winstrol pills. So how would you do it if your just starting off safely?

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    Hey, I would like to jump in here. I am coming off an injury and illness as well. I would recommend would be is to start out slow. Do not risk hurting yourself by going to fast. I have done this in the past with my shoulders and I was not on gear and I bet there are a lot of others on here that will say the same thing.

    I would suggest that before you inject anything is going and get your bloodwork done. You are 40 years old and you could be a TRT candidate. If your blood work comes back as a TRT pts then work on finding your TRT dose before you start a cycle. You have enough test on hand and that is what you need. What I did not see you post is any AI or HCG. Those are a must.

    Then I would talk to your doctor about any limitations that you should be aware of or talk to your PT about exercises that you should do to warm up before you start lifting. I am sure the PT that you were working with would be happy to help you. Again, start out slow and protect your body. No need to go 2 steps foward and then 5 back with a injury.

    I would also suggest that you go back and read this thread by austinite http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html The first part talks about age and just change it up from being to young to being 40 years old with an injury. I am sure you know a lot of the rest but it is always good to review what we learned in the past.

    Welcome to the site. I hope you keep us posted on how your are doing.

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    I would not advise you to run a cycle coming off an injury like that man. Take a year or so and do some light weight exercises and rebuild your base. I’m sure you had physical therapy so I would ask him a good routine to start with.

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    keep in mind guys that its been 6 months since his surgery. a discectomy is generally an outpatient or one night stay procedure and doesn't need physical therapy either (just lots of waking, with the 'no bending' 'no lifting' 'no twisting' restriction for the first 3 months).
    I've had 3 of these procedures done.

    my last discectomy I actually started 200mg of test with 250mg deca and 4iu of HGH 2 weeks prior to the surgery (and to run for months past the surgery) just for the whole purpose of trying to recover better, heal better, and retain gains post surgery (I threw peptides like BPC157 and TB in there as well with plenty of collagen, glucosmine etc.)

    being 6 months removed, I personally would run a very very light cycle. its only going to help you recover, help you fill out a little bit and get some muscle memory back , and increase your confidence and nutrition partitioning. its likely just going to help with overall physiology and recovery. but AGAIN something very very light with very moderate training intensity and lots of good clean food.

    keep in mind that most steroids out there were created to help people heal and recover from diseases, injuries, muscle wasting, osteoporosis etc.. why not use them for what they were invented for

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    It was indeed an outpatient surgery I went home the same day. The Dr I'm seeing wants me to start with light weights he told me 3 months ago to strengthen my back lots of walking and light weights. I'm planning on starting small maybe bench 180 and curls with 30pds and so fourth. That's basically what I started with when I first started lifting so I'm basically starting from the bottom. I will start with what gear said it sounds simple and safe 350 a week is pretty much the lowest you can go. I will run 10 weeks on that and take a few weeks off then try to lift and add more mass. I would assume that the more muscle you build the safer I would be with my back as the muscle would take the strain instead of the back. I would guess anyways. Guys I really appreciate all y'all feedback. If any of you guys have email and would like to share workout routines and eating habits or food plans I would love to hear it. I'm a boat captain so eating is kinda crap out there I stick mainly to tuna,chicken,peanut butter, everything out a can. Dacollins34

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    Yea thanks guys it was an outpatient operation. Dr wants me to start on light weights 3 months ago. I was planning on starting slow bench 185 and 30pd dumbbell curls and such. That's what I started out with so I figured I'd be back as I was in the beginning. If any of you guys want to give me meal plans,tips eating and such I would really appreciate that I am a boat captain and the eating is mostly tuna and such out of cans or boxes and maybe tips for gains in my situation. I would appreciate any input available. You can private messga end with an email or Facebook to follow I'd surely be grateful thanks again guys. The feeling knowing I'm starting back working out and getting in shape aftrler 2 two ears on the couch is a great feeling.

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