TEST TREN cycle - low libido despite PRL & E2 are correct

[Hormon]

Hi guys,

A cycle I currently run: 500 testE + 200 trenA weekly + T3 50 mg ED
+ hcg 250 UI e3d + arimidex 0.15 e2d + cabaser 0.5 mg ew

I've started tren after 1 month of test solo and a problem with low libido occured. The first month of testE was perfect about my libido and strenght gains, for shredding purposes as well. After I've started trenA I have absolutely no energy, motivation and sex drive. My self-confidence isn't as high as it's normally. My strenght is still fine but my mental status isn't so good, don't want to go to the gym or to the bed. I'm not aggressive or in anxiety with trenA.

arimidex 0.15 e2d with testE solo in the first month allowed me to keep E2 in the sweet spot, should I increase it's dosage after trenA addition? making bloodwork is purposeless, trenA disrupts E2 blood's concentration... PRL with 0.5 mg cabaser is below the range.

What's going on?

[David LoPan]

Tren can be a tricky drug that is why most everyone here will tell you not to start it until you have run a couple of cycles to see how you are reacting to just one compound. I love Tren but it is NOT a beginners drug. Tren also like to eat up your estrogen. Have you pulled your bloodwork lately? What cycle is this? T3 I personally would replace with Clen. Remember, IMHO.

What are your stats, Cycle history, Training history, and diet? Do you have bloodwork that you can post? All of these will help get you better advice.

[Hormon]

Thanks for your reply. I've already done 3 cycles succesfully with correct PCTs as well. The first was T solo, the second T solo higher dosage, the third T+dbol. All of them for bulking purposes, gained around 15 kg of muscle mass. So it's the first time I try tren with T stacked, solo tren would be a mistake. I'm a pharmacy student so chemical and physiological aspects are known for me if we talk about AAS. I don't think if giving you my stats, training or diet would help there, I assure you that I know what I'm doing.
As I mentioned in the previous post, last bloodwork was done just before first trenA injection - results were perfect with E2 in the middle of the range and PRL below the range. Tren is known as a nonaromatizable compound, w/o any estrogenic properties, that's why I think that E2 should remain stable after 1 month of testE & AI introduction...

[Gaynz37]

I feel like a God on Tren. Exact opposite of everything you are describing. I never changed AI dose while on it either. At 3-4 weeks in it hit and it was fuck the world from that point on. I loved and hated it. Loved it for how it made me feel, and look. Hated it for the way I acted while on it.

[Hormon]

The point is there's no ED or hardness/erection time problems, it's hard of steel fast and for long. I'm just passive to sexy girls I met yesterday on the party, as well as to my GF. In addition, lack of motivation, sleepiness and no smile on my face I suggest it's due to stress I have to face recent weeks, and because of workouts which are heavy as fck (5h cardio 5h strenght last week). I'm gonna take some break and we'll see. Thanks guys.

[dcdude]

I would switch the tren/test ratio. Let tren do the work and do a trt low dose of test like 200 - a week.

[GearHeaded]

Imo its mental and not physiological . Tren can mess with your head. can make you not give a shit about people or pretty much anything. your probably just not caring about women or sex right now so your not interested. no biggy

[Closhmo]

Imo its mental and not physiological . Tren can mess with your head. can make you not give a shit about people or pretty much anything. your probably just not caring about women or sex right now so your not interested. no biggy

is this normal?? im on trt and have a pretty good libido but im not as interested in girls anymore. i go to bed dreaming about the gym lol and not girls anymore. i feel like my brain needs rewiring. i get a better high out of working out than hooking up with a chick. and no im definitely not gay.

[GearHeaded]

is this normal?? im on trt and have a pretty good libido but im not as interested in girls anymore. i go to bed dreaming about the gym lol and not girls anymore. i feel like my brain needs rewiring. i get a better high out of working out than hooking up with a chick. and no im definitely not gay.

thats just life man . interests change over the years, things come and go, and then come back again. nothing wrong with being focused on one thing for now

[ScotchGuard02]

I advise guys to have 5 or 6 cycles under their belt before they run Tren. Tren is the muther of all AAS and you will definitely feel it's sides. Some guys feel it less than other guys. I've run Test cycles for over 10 years with no issues. My first 2 Tren cycles went off without a hitch. Then on my 3rd Tren cycle I noticed that my hairline started to thin and I got terrible anorgasmia. It took me about a year to get over that one. Tren's awesome but you just need to take the good with the bad.

[Hormon]

I appreciate your comments guys, thanks.

My purpose is to meet with tren in quite comfortable and safe way, that's why I'm going to increase it's dosage gradually every 1-1.5 week (~4 doses e2d) starting from ~180 mg/wk (to 400 mg ultimately this time). I have to say that after first 3 doses I don't feel any sides from tren many of it's users describe (probably because of low dosage). What's good is greater muscle hardness and it's shape, workout's positive agression as well. Definietly.

The thing about low libido and not having fun was caused by stress I had past several weeks, it had definitely relieved yesterday partly because of deload week and having fun with friends in the last days.
I wanted to exclude E2 role in my not-well feeling, so I've taken 0.3 mg of anastrozole (not 0.1 mg as before) 2 days ago - my strenght is worse, and i feel "that" in my joints (well known E2 deficiency). Summarizing, E2 and PRL were fine after tren had entered.

I'm going to decrease testE administration from 500 mg to ~300 mg (a week) gradually, along with trenA dosage increasing. I'm not sure if my underground stuff is 1:1 concentration consistent (probably not), that's why I won't be taking 200-250 mg as TRT assumes.

Question to you guys, should I take an AI with ~300 mg testE/wk (we assume that it's really about 200-250 mg) + hCG 300 UI e3d, IF taking 0.12-0.14 mg anastrozole along with ~500 mg of testE/wk + hCG 300 UI allowed me to maintain E2 in the "sweet spot"? As mentioned above, trenA distrorts the results of E2 bloodwork in my lab. My BF is around 11%, going down.

[charger69]

What are your stats? Age, weight, bf, height?
Also, I recommend Ai at 300 mg.

[Hormon]

What are your stats? Age, weight, bf, height?
Also, I recommend Ai at 300 mg.

I'm 25, 89 kg, 174 cm. Could 0.1 mg e2d be fine for now?

[kelkel]

As long as it works when you need it to you're fine. AAS (or ASS as GH says it) is never a guarantee of a strong libido. It can change from cycle to cycle even though the anabolics didn't.

[NACH3]

Hi guys,

A cycle I currently run: 500 testE + 200 trenA weekly + T3 50 mg ED
+ hcg 250 UI e3d + arimidex 0.15 e2d + cabaser 0.5 mg ew

I've started tren after 1 month of test solo and a problem with low libido occured. The first month of testE was perfect about my libido and strenght gains, for shredding purposes as well. After I've started trenA I have absolutely no energy, motivation and sex drive. My self-confidence isn't as high as it's normally. My strenght is still fine but my mental status isn't so good, don't want to go to the gym or to the bed. I'm not aggressive or in anxiety with trenA.

arimidex 0.15 e2d with testE solo in the first month allowed me to keep E2 in the sweet spot, should I increase it's dosage after trenA addition? making bloodwork is purposeless, trenA disrupts E2 blood's concentration... PRL with 0.5 mg cabaser is below the range.

What's going on?

i see your running ur AI at .15 e2d?? why not eod at .25 or firstly id pull a sensitive E2 essay if your that worried but as stated if it works when needed your gtg imho - walking around w/a hard on during the day is very irritating tbh or if the wind blows the wrong way and bam it comes to life can be annoying if you ask me lol - ive been on both sides of this coin and as long as its working when ya need thats the only time that counts my man

[NACH3]

What are your stats? Age, weight, bf, height?
Also, I recommend Ai at 300 mg.

definitely especially if bf is on the higher side and OP is running 500mgs/wkly

[Hormon]

As mentioned, testE 500 mg/wk with 0.15 mg/e2d anastrozole and 250-300 UI/e3d hCG gives me a result of 90-110 pmol/l E2 (40-161, bloodwork done 2 weeks ago), where is my physiologal level along with endogenous T in the upper of the range. Alleviating it to 300 mg/wk with 0.1 mg/e2d of AI should be fine then imho.

[GearHeaded]

I'll take a completely different approach here. not disagreeing with anyone , just a different view point or diff idea.

IF your main goal form this cycle is growth (and your not cutting) then I personally would not run an AI with 250mg of test and tren (or at the most maybe .25mg 1x per week 2 days after injection, but thats it). Guys grow a hell of a lot better running Tren when they are running wet compounds with it and getting to the higher range of estrogen levels

your not running any other wet compounds with this stack, and if your trying to grow, and your going to go low dose on your one and only aromatizing compound, test, then throwing a bunch of AI in there is just going to stunt your growth even more.

Tren works best for growth with wet compounds and elevated estrogen , Tren works awesome for cutting with low dose test no wet compounds and plenty of AI. so guess decide based on what your goals are.


but keep in mind, if you let estrogen get way out of control and elevated with Tren, then you can run into some estrogenic , progesterone, prolactin based issues as well. This is why some guys play it safe and run plenty of AI . which is fine. but if you want to push the growth then estrogen with tren can be pretty powerful
(we all know that Tren is used by ranchers for cattle, but people don't know that the cows don't grow from just the Tren, the ranchers combine that Tren with a shit ton of estrogen that they inject as well)

[Hormon]

I'll take a completely different approach here. not disagreeing with anyone , just a different view point or diff idea.

IF your main goal form this cycle is growth (and your not cutting) then I personally would not run an AI with 250mg of test and tren (or at the most maybe .25mg 1x per week 2 days after injection, but thats it). Guys grow a hell of a lot better running Tren when they are running wet compounds with it and getting to the higher range of estrogen levels

your not running any other wet compounds with this stack, and if your trying to grow, and your going to go low dose on your one and only aromatizing compound, test, then throwing a bunch of AI in there is just going to stunt your growth even more.

Tren works best for growth with wet compounds and elevated estrogen , Tren works awesome for cutting with low dose test no wet compounds and plenty of AI. so guess decide based on what your goals are.


but keep in mind, if you let estrogen get way out of control and elevated with Tren, then you can run into some estrogenic , progesterone, prolactin based issues as well. This is why some guys play it safe and run plenty of AI . which is fine. but if you want to push the growth then estrogen with tren can be pretty powerful
(we all know that Tren is used by ranchers for cattle, but people don't know that the cows don't grow from just the Tren, the ranchers combine that Tren with a shit ton of estrogen that they inject as well)

You're absolutely right here man, but I'm shredding now with little of T3. I'm satisfied about the stuff, minus 0.3-0.4% BF per week last month. Tren should help for another 2 months.

[GearHeaded]

You're absolutely right here man, but I'm shredding now with little of T3. I'm satisfied about the stuff, minus 0.3-0.4% BF per week last month. Tren should help for another 2 months.

for cutting - low dose Test, moderate dose Tren, an AI protocol, and some T3.. your on the right track

[The Deadlifting Dog]

(we all know that Tren is used by ranchers for cattle, but people don't know that the cows don't grow from just the Tren, the ranchers combine that Tren with a shit ton of estrogen that they inject as well)

My feeling on this is that the estrogen makes them hold more water thus weigh more thus they can be sold for more money.
Research does show that LBM goes up more when cattle are given estrogen with their tren but....
Most people don't realize that water is considered LBM.
Anything outside of fat is LBM.

Does estrogen help shuttle more water into muscles and thus more nutrients into muscle... sure.
But I would be willing to bet that most of the growth from steroids come from their direct affect on the androgen receptors rather than the extra estrogen causing growth.
If the extra estrogen caused growth then women would be larger than men. Or old men (who generally have higher estrogen) would be larger.

[Medic 1]

I have been off this board for several years so I see everyone running HCg during a cycle now it just seems very counterproductive to me. You are confusing the shit out of your body just wondering the logic behind this scientifically speaking thanks in advance

[GearHeaded]

My feeling on this is that the estrogen makes them hold more water thus weigh more thus they can be sold for more money.
Research does show that LBM goes up more when cattle are given estrogen with their tren but....
Most people don't realize that water is considered LBM.
Anything outside of fat is LBM.

I agree. the more intercellular water we can push into muscle cells then the bigger and fuller and more weight this muscle is going to be . water is the heaviest thing in the body . a rancher can get his cattle to weigh more by forcing more water in, the muscle/meat is going to weigh more. The estrogen is also helpful for the accumulation of fat and marbling of the meat. basically everything is going to weigh more because of holding more water. but again , water when measured in the body is considered LBM

Does estrogen help shuttle more water into muscles and thus more nutrients into muscle... sure. But I would be willing to bet that most of the growth from steroids come from their direct affect on the androgen receptors rather than the extra estrogen causing growth.
If the extra estrogen caused growth then women would be larger than men. Or old men (who generally have higher estrogen) would be larger.

well its not estrogen by itself that helps with growth. thats why women are not bigger then men. its the anabolic hormones and androgens together with estrogen that is synergistic for growth (something women don't have. .. but something cattle do have, and why they add Tren with Estrogen , its androgenic and estrogen together).

as for whats in bold .
there are class 1 and class 2 steroids . class 1 steroids illicit their action by binding to the androgen receptor . Class 2 steroids work by other mechanisms of action outside of binding to the androgen receptor. so your right in one regard but need more details on the other.
eg.
Testosterone is class 1 steroid , it does its work by binding to the androgen receptor and communicating with the cell

Dbol is a class 2 steroid, it does its work independent of the androgen receptor (does not need to bind to the AR). It works by increasing protein synthesis, nitrogen retention, intercellular water retention etc..

Dbol we know is very estrogenic as well . we also know that Dbol can blow people up and put on a lot of size and mass rather quickly , but it does NOT need to bind to the androgen receptor . so what a coincidence that Dbol converts to a powerful form of estrogen and really puts on the mass (and water).

I'm not disagreeing with your point, I think its valid,, just saying that there is probably more to it all

[GearHeaded]

I have been off this board for several years so I see everyone running HCg during a cycle now it just seems very counterproductive to me. You are confusing the shit out of your body just wondering the logic behind this scientifically speaking thanks in advance

start your own thread and you'll get more responses