On cycle supplements

[Clove1234]

I just wanted to ask the experts what they take for supplements on cycle. And also, is what I’m taking too much?

NAC 600mg ED
Coq10 100mg ED
Multi vitamin
Creatine 5g
Vitamin C 1000MG ED
Liver support 1xED

I feel like this is a little out of hand. Lots of pills to swallow, not that i mind. Is everything necessary? Obviously i could take or leave the creatine. I supplement vitamin c during the cold season every year, also to help lower cortisol levels. Any other insight?

[Clove1234]

Forgot to mention I’m also taking EAAs and BCAAs

[David LoPan]

Looks like you are missing Fish Oil (omegas), Nace and Liver support are both the same type of product but it's better to be safe than sorry. Vit C you will piss out every day. Vit B and C are water soluble so what your body does not need it you just piss it out.

You can add fiber like Psyllium Husks and Red Yeast for Chol help. Do a search on BCAA on this site. I was almost sold on them until I did my research. They should be in your protein powder so no need to spend the extra money on them.

[kelkel]

Dave nailed it.
Stick with NAC. Forget the other.
Creatine is great stuff. Proven effective.
BCAA's probably not needed if taking a quality protein supplement like Dave mentioned.
Have to see your chol values before I'd recommend anything. That said though, cycling will lower HDL and Slo-Niacin will help to elevate it.

[Clove1234]

I am taking optimum nutrition gold standard whey protein. I don’t have it in front of me, not sure of the BCAA content. But should i drop the extra exogenous BCAAs and keep taking the EAAs?

Does everyone agree with the dosage of NAC and coq10?

[TRTdrew]

How much fish oil should one be taking? If somebody could just spell out the perfect supplement regimen that would be helpful.

[Clove1234]

What he said lol

[TRA]

How much fish oil should one be taking? If somebody could just spell out the perfect supplement regimen that would be helpful.

Fish oil can be 1-2g a day up to 30g/d. I did a recomp diet and used fish oil for a good part of my fats. For a supplement I would do 2-4g/d.
Huge fan of psyllium husk. It helps lower blood sugar, binds to bad fats to help a bit with cholesterol, decreases transit time for food in the gut so lowers risk for colon cancer, and is pretty benign otherwise. Favorite brand is Colon Cleanse - 1 tablespoon in large glass of water at night.

[Clove1234]

I will have to look into the psyllium husk

[hollowedzeus]

I will have to look into the psyllium husk

Get the caps. The powder turns into a paste and expands as soon as it hits water

[GearHeaded]

here is my supplement stack

Species nutrition multi vitamin
EA slin pills (GDA)
Digestive enzymes
Fish oil
Potassium
Zinc
B complex
Vitamin D
Vitamin K
Milk thistle
NAC
Coq10
Choline
Taurine
Tumeric
Alpha lipoic acid
chromium picolinate
Glutathione
TUDCA
magnesium
probiotic
collagen
saw palmetto

Creatine
EAA
BCAA
Carbolyze
whey isolate
Citruline

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things

[Clove1234]

You have your shit on point, trying to get to that level.

[kelkel]

here is my supplement stack

Species nutrition multi vitamin
EA slin pills (GDA)
Digestive enzymes
Fish oil
Potassium
Zinc
B complex
Vitamin D
Vitamin K
Milk thistle
NAC
Coq10
Choline
Taurine
Tumeric
Alpha lipoic acid
chromium picolinate
Glutathione
TUDCA
magnesium
probiotic
collagen
saw palmetto

Creatine
EAA
BCAA
Carbolyze
whey isolate
Citruline

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things

I thought I was bad. I feel better now.

Thanks!

[Clove1234]

Haha right i was starting to think mine was getting out of hand

[David LoPan]

here is my supplement stack

Species nutrition multi vitamin
EA slin pills (GDA)
Digestive enzymes
Fish oil
Potassium
Zinc
B complex
Vitamin D
Vitamin K
Milk thistle
NAC
Coq10
Choline
Taurine
Tumeric
Alpha lipoic acid
chromium picolinate
Glutathione
TUDCA
magnesium
probiotic
collagen
saw palmetto

Creatine
EAA
BCAA
Carbolyze
whey isolate
Citruline

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things

Wow, that looks like what I used to take. I think you forgot HORNEY GOAT WEED, LOL. I bet you have an old man pill dispenser like me. No DHEA or Pregnenolone?

[GearHeaded]

not sure if they make a pill dispenser large enough to hold everything . so I have 3 cabinets full of bottles. cabinet one is what I take in the morning, cabinet two is what I take mid day, cabinet 3 is what I take at night. my kitchen cabinets are big enough to be my pill dispenser

I didn't even mention the herbal and extract supplements that I'll rotate in on occasions for things like doing a detox after a heavy cycle ,, yeah I've probably went over board

[TRA]

here is my supplement stack

Species nutrition multi vitamin
EA slin pills (GDA)
Digestive enzymes
Fish oil
Potassium
Zinc
B complex
Vitamin D
Vitamin K
Milk thistle
NAC
Coq10
Choline
Taurine
Tumeric
Alpha lipoic acid
chromium picolinate
Glutathione
TUDCA
magnesium
probiotic
collagen
saw palmetto

Creatine
EAA
BCAA
Carbolyze
whey isolate
Citruline

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things

I don’t think I could remember to take everything and would end up with supplement surprise for a combo every day.

I take
Niacinamide
NAC (during/after oral cycle)
Vit B
Turmeric compound (curcuminoids with piperine which helps bioavailability)
Finasteride 1mg daily
Adex
Zantac
Psyllium husk
Caber (when deca /tren on board)
Fish oil 6-12g/d
Zinc

[Clove1234]

Can i ask what you guys are using to cut up Adex or anything else that requires small portions? Just a cutter?

[David LoPan]

Can i ask what you guys are using to cut up Adex or anything else that requires small portions? Just a cutter?

Pill splitter or use a research chem that is a liquid oral dose.

[Clove1234]

Tried a razor blade, failed miserably. Ended up with lots of dust and crumpled up pieces.

[GearHeaded]

pick up a pill splitter at your local pharmacy

[Clove1234]

Have one on the way from amazon. Figured i could get one at the local drug store. Amazon prime is addicting though

[TRA]

Pill splitter. They do get dull and need to be replaced or they start splitting the pills unevenly.

[charger69]

Tried a razor blade, failed miserably. Ended up with lots of dust and crumpled up pieces.

i just use a sharp knife. No issues

[charger69]

here is my supplement stack

Species nutrition multi vitamin
EA slin pills (GDA)
Digestive enzymes
Fish oil
Potassium
Zinc
B complex
Vitamin D
Vitamin K
Milk thistle
NAC
Coq10
Choline
Taurine
Tumeric
Alpha lipoic acid
chromium picolinate
Glutathione
TUDCA
magnesium
probiotic
collagen
saw palmetto

Creatine
EAA
BCAA
Carbolyze
whey isolate
Citruline

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things

Why The milk thisle with the NAC?
What is your potassiium dosage? I am having troublefinding it higher than 99 which is only a small fraction of the RDA.
What type of collagen are you using? What dosage?

[GearHeaded]

Why The milk thisle with the NAC?
What is your potassiium dosage? I am having troublefinding it higher than 99 which is only a small fraction of the RDA.
What type of collagen are you using? What dosage?

milk thistle and NAC work by totally different mechanisms of action. NAC has the ability to restore intracellular levels of glutathione (acts as an antioxidant). Milk thistle acts as an antioxidant as well but it also helps dilate bile ducts to then better release toxins, also Milk thistle prevents free radical formation by inhibiting specific ROS producing enzymes .. thus improving integrity of mitochondria in stressful conditions.

I also take in TUDCA for the liver as well as Alpha Lipoic acid . again they all work by slightly different mechanisms. so I'm protecting and detoxing the liver from various angles (I take in a lot of oral steroids plus I'm an occasional bourbon drinker , helps me sleep, so I really want to do what I can for liver protection)

I take about 300mg of potassium in pill form, but I consume potatoes as a carb source (they are probably the food that contains the highest amount of potassium)

I take jarrow type 2 collagen , and vita cost type 1 and 3 blend collagen

[GearHeaded]

Only thing you really need is a fifth if 80proof rum 3x a week

The liver myths are bullshit

what "liver myths" are you referring to ?

[GearHeaded]

Steroids do nothing to liver or kidney function.

They also help cholesterol, it's the red meat that causes heart issues on cycle

you ever get your own blood work done when on oral steroids and checked your liver enzymes and HDL/LDL. ?

[TRA]

Why The milk thisle with the NAC?
What is your potassiium dosage? I am having troublefinding it higher than 99 which is only a small fraction of the RDA.
What type of collagen are you using? What dosage?

I would never take potassium supplement unless I had labs showing I needed it, and then it would be likely from a diuretic. Otherwise there is absolutely no need for it and if you take too much it can affect your heart rhythm (google hyperkalemia). If your labs are normal and no diuretic no reason for it.
With herbal supplements (milk thistle, etc.) use a brand that has some sort of standardization. A few years ago they randomly sampled herbal supplements and found a LOT that either had way less than what they purported or didn’t even contain the herb at all. Since they are not FDA regulated they can basically put hay in the caps and sell it as anything they want.
Additionally, some supplements have side effects. Magnesium lowers blood pressure and can cause fatigue. Some people tolerate it just fine. I am not one and I tolerate almost everything. It drops my pressure and makes me so tired I can hardly function on just 500mg.
Alpha lipoid acid can cause/worsen reflux/heartburn. Vitamin K can increase tendency to clot the blood and I would never recommend taking it.
Zinc is great but can cause significant nausea on an empty stomach, so take with full meal. Can cause tinnitis (ringing in the ears) in a small percentage of the population.
Turmeric should have a significant percentage of curcuminoids or you might be taking bunk. And black pepper extract (Bioperine/piperine) is needed to facilitate absorption.

Nothing at all wrong with supplements but just like drugs, they should be researched and understood. Most vitamins are benign unless they are fat soluble (Vit A and D) and then can be toxic if taken in too high of levels.

I tend to be of the less is more mindset, and try to be minimal and add as I see a need. I have done months of milk thistle and NAC on cycle compared to cycle without and saw no difference in my labs results, but I do use NAC post cycle as well as niacinamide (to help raise HDL).

Not a criticism for GH as he knows his stuff, just another approach and cautionary note, especially on potassium.

[GearHeaded]

I would never take potassium supplement unless I had labs showing I needed it, and then it would be likely from a diuretic. Otherwise there is absolutely no need for it and if you take too much it can affect your heart rhythm (google hyperkalemia).

I take potassium ONLY when I'm running exogenous insulin . running 30iu of insulin can drop your blood serum levels of potassium way down and cause Hypokalemia , which could result in heart failure.

potassium is used up by insulin when driving glucose into cells. someone that does not take exogenous insulin really does not need to worry about supplementing with potassium

[TRA]

Steroids do nothing to liver or kidney function.

They also help cholesterol, it's the red meat that causes heart issues on cycle

Is that a serious post?
Nandrolone (deca ) when prescribed has warnings of hepatitis peliosis, liver tumors and lipid disorders with use. Heart issues on cycles are usually caused by elevated and untreated blood pressure from the AAS that causes the heart to enlarge, as well as other mechanisms.
AAS can be used safely with lab monitoring and supplementation, sometimes prescription medication (blood pressure meds, meds if blood glucose too high on GH, etc.) but to say they do nothing to liver or the heart and not consider any other risks is just reckless imo.

[GearHeaded]

Also to note zinc and magnesium supplementation may not be needed by most people .. however about 95% of hard training athletes that use exogenous hormones are deficient in Zinc , Magnesium, and Chromium . so supplementation of those things for guys like us is pretty much a given

[kelkel]

Everything goes through the liver eventually.

[Anton93]

I will print This !, Thanks YOU Sir !

[guitarzan]

Steroids do nothing to liver or kidney function.

They also help cholesterol, it's the red meat that causes heart issues on cycle

This is a banned member trying to stir the pot, ignore this post

[Clove1234]

Gearheaded knows his stuff. On the other hand RNSPLG does not....