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    funnyman is offline Junior Member
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    Too many compounds in this cycle?

    34 yrs old
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    Have a few cycles under my belt. Last cycle was:

    Tren a-300mg
    mast- 300mg
    sust- 250mg

    t3 and hgh

    This next cycle is similar

    Pinning m w f

    Tren A- 500mg
    Tren E- 100mg
    Sust- 250mg

    for 6 weeks then:

    Mast 600mg
    Sust 250mg

    for the following 6 week for a 12 week cycle

    Been on hgh and t4 for 6 months and will add in t3

    Would adding 500mg of eq be too much? Im trying to lean out and build bigger arms. So diet will be on point and upping the cardio the last 6 weeks of cycle. Would I lower doses and run eq for cardio purposes?

    Ive also heard u can replace test with eq??

    Also caber, arimidex , aromasin on hand and all pct protocol

    Thanks for any suggestions

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    Should be titled. Is this cycle too heavy for someone that doesn't compete.

    I was also thinking start this cycle feb, march, and then April run the eq alone (or/and with trt doses) through most of spring and summer. 16 weeks. Or is that too long to be on gear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyman View Post

    Tren A- 500mg
    Tren E- 100mg
    Sust- 250mg
    why on earth run tren A at 500/week and tren E at 100/week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyman View Post
    Should be titled. Is this cycle too heavy for someone that doesn't compete.

    I was also thinking start this cycle feb, march, and then April run the eq alone (or/and with trt doses) through most of spring and summer. 16 weeks. Or is that too long to be on gear?
    your under 2 grams of gear . thats not that heavy.

    heres how I use EQ (mostly) . I like to have a 1 gram base point that I build my cycle around . sometimes that base is 1000mg of Test. but if I want to run a low dose test cycle then I'll lower the test to my TRT of 250mg and fill the rest in with 750mg of EQ. , this gives me my one gram 'base' . I then add in tren , npp, var, etc.. or whatever compounds my cycle will consist of . but the EQ is really just a base substitute for the Test, cause all EQ really is is a clean low estrogenic form of Test.
    there are times I'll also cruise on EQ . its a pretty clean compound and can be ran long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyman View Post
    Im trying to lean out and build bigger arms

    this is a contradictory goal. your arm growth is really dependent on your body size (unless your a genetic arm freak). meaning if you want to add 1.5" to your arm, then you'll more then likely need to add 15 pounds to your total frame.

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    You're effectively running a Test/Tren /Mast/EQ cycle. Pick an ester for Test/Tren and be done with it. You can get short esters for Test/Tren/Mast and EQ is the only long ester. I would just skip the EQ and run a Test/Tren/Mast short ester cycle for 8 weeks.

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    In regards to running both a and e I'm pinning mwf bc I go away on weekends. My thinking was to keep levels more stable
    Last edited by funnyman; 01-10-2018 at 11:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02 View Post
    You're effectively running a Test/Tren/Mast/EQ cycle. Pick an ester for Test/Tren and be done with it. You can get short esters for Test/Tren/Mast and EQ is the only long ester. I would just skip the EQ and run a Test/Tren/Mast short ester cycle for 8 weeks.
    Boldenone Acetate is the short ester fast acting form of EQ .. just fyi , its available out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    your under 2 grams of gear . thats not that heavy.

    heres how I use EQ (mostly) . I like to have a 1 gram base point that I build my cycle around . sometimes that base is 1000mg of Test. but if I want to run a low dose test cycle then I'll lower the test to my TRT of 250mg and fill the rest in with 750mg of EQ. , this gives me my one gram 'base' . I then add in tren , npp, var, etc.. or whatever compounds my cycle will consist of . but the EQ is really just a base substitute for the Test, cause all EQ really is is a clean low estrogenic form of Test.
    there are times I'll also cruise on EQ . its a pretty clean compound and can be ran long term.
    Solid advice. But test is still necessary? If I have to use it, id even prefer using it at 250 every other week. I'm prone to the estrogenic sides. Even at low doses

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    Boldenone Acetate is the short ester fast acting form of EQ .. just fyi , its available out there
    The long ester is what I choose for that. Goal would be to run through summer and diet and cardio to try to stay vascular

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyman View Post
    Solid advice. But test is still necessary? If I have to use it, id even prefer using it at 250 every other week. I'm prone to the estrogenic sides. Even at low doses
    no you don't have to run it. there are some sex hormone receptors that may be effected, possibly end up with low libido.. but EQ and Tren will have you covered on the androgen receptor side.

    I personally like some estrogen in my cycles (unless I'm drying out) so I'll leave test in as a base and not run an AI . if you want zero aromatization or estrogen then you can drop the test (I would not run a cycle without test super long term though , nothing more then 8-10 weeks, as this can have other health ramifications)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02 View Post
    You're effectively running a Test/Tren/Mast/EQ cycle. Pick an ester for Test/Tren and be done with it. You can get short esters for Test/Tren/Mast and EQ is the only long ester. I would just skip the EQ and run a Test/Tren/Mast short ester cycle for 8 weeks.
    Also thought about this. I've heard running mast with tren helps with the tren sides. Not sure if that's broscience but last run i ran them together and literally got zero sides! I'm prone to anxiety and nothing. No sweats. Nothing. It was pharm grade as that's all I'll run. I did get tired, hungry af, and strength gains out the wazoo

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    no you don't have to run it. there are some sex hormone receptors that may be effected, possibly end up with low libido.. but EQ and Tren will have you covered on the androgen receptor side.

    I personally like some estrogen in my cycles (unless I'm drying out) so I'll leave test in as a base and not run an AI . if you want zero aromatization or estrogen then you can drop the test (I would not run a cycle without test super long term though , nothing more then 8-10 weeks, as this can have other health ramifications)
    Thanks. Maybe run it every other week at 250 bc running it without any at all could have my peen sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    your under 2 grams of gear . thats not that heavy.

    Depends on perspective. Remember, most guys here will never compete or even think about it and are not at the level (imho) that substantiates large amounts of gear relative to their goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Depends on perspective. Remember, most guys here will never compete or even think about it and are not at the level (imho) that substantiates large amounts of gear relative to their goals.
    a lot of the guys with elite genetics that do compete can get by with a lot LESS drugs then your average gym rat. guys like Lee Priest can run 400mg of deca and grow off of that ,, his elite genetics metabolizes AAS very well. BUT some us normal average guys might need 3x the amount of gear to grow.

    so just saying, its not necessarily being 'advanced' that warrants running high dosages of gear, its all dependent on personal needs and genetics.
    I've ran plenty of low dose cycles and have gotten low dose results (but I'm not a genetic elite like Lee Priest)

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    Surely a gram of test without AI turns you into the Michelin Man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireApe View Post
    Surely a gram of test without AI turns you into the Michelin Man?
    thats person dependent.. if your lucky and your not super estrogen sensitive or gyno prone, the estrogen conversion can be beneficial .
    heres a copy and paste from a PM I sent to another member asking about estrogen .

    Estrogen helps with muscle growth and other growth factors.. here are just a few benefits
    - E helps promote nitric oxide production and stimulates better blood flow and relaxation of vascular system (it has cardiovascular benefits ,, this is why we see women in their early 20s with high levels of estrogen rarely ever having heart attack or stroke,, but men in their 20s still die from these things as well as do older post-menopause women with low estrogen)

    - E works on a host of different receptors , from the brain, kidney, heart etc.. to skeletal muscle . Estrogen acts on a specific muscle receptor that is responsible for satellite cell proliferation (specifically interacts with ER-B receptors to increase myogenic substances). So estrogen encourages muscle growth in a very similar way as does growth hormone .. satellite cells are muscle stem cells that aide in growth and repair.

    - Estrogen , in the presence of high levels of Test, will stimulate the elevation of IGF-1 (the most anabolic hormone) and thus aide in muscle growth as well as more satellite cell stimulation
    ^^. that right there is enough to warrant letting your E levels be elevated while on cycle if growth is your primary goal

    thats kinda the science stuff . but even old school bodybuilders who had no idea the science as to why estrogen helps you grow knew it and they go on record saying they grew much better in the off season by not using an AI

    if my main goal is growth , then I rarely use an AI (or use it at lower doses .. just depends on my goal for that cycle) but not every cycle we do is just about growth . if we want to stay tight and dry and less watery then we will probably need to use an AI often . my point is not to be afraid of E especially if growth is the goal.

    my theory as to why high levels of test, with tren , with high levels of estrogen will really help a guy grow (if he's not gyno prone) is because of the massive spike in IGF-1 . IGF gains are more permanent growth gains , compared to just blowing up with Dbol for a few weeks

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