PCT Or TRT ?

**4irishmen** · 01-11-2018, 04:52 PM

I'm in a spot that has me a little confused. I'm 57. No doubt what so ever I have low T. Coming off a pretty light cycle of test cypinate and deca . The gear I had was junk. Not fake but very poor quality. Enough to shut me down but no gains. That said when I'm on test many issues improve. So I'm post cycle 3 weeks. Just started clomid & Novalex. Medical HRT not a option for now. Should I just ride this post cycle for 2 more months. Or bag it and do my own TRT ? Thinking of running 250mg a week with Novalex. I tend to get the sore nipple thing. Would be grateful for any input

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**ThatGuy82** · 01-11-2018, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by 4irishmen

I'm in a spot that has me a little confused. I'm 57. No doubt what so ever I have low T. Coming off a pretty light cycle of test cypinate and deca . The gear I had was junk. Not fake but very poor quality. Enough to shut me down but no gains. That said when I'm on test many issues improve. So I'm post cycle 3 weeks. Just started clomid & Novalex. Medical HRT not a option for now. Should I just ride this post cycle for 2 more months. Or bag it and do my own TRT ? Thinking of running 250mg a week with Novalex. I tend to get the sore nipple thing. Would be grateful for any input

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I am no expert but imo a 2 month pct is unnecessary for a light cycle of test c and deca... How long was this light cycle ran for?

**David LoPan** · 01-11-2018, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by 4irishmen

I'm in a spot that has me a little confused. I'm 57. No doubt what so ever I have low T. Coming off a pretty light cycle of test cypinate and deca . The gear I had was junk. Not fake but very poor quality. Enough to shut me down but no gains. That said when I'm on test many issues improve. So I'm post cycle 3 weeks. Just started clomid & Novalex. Medical HRT not a option for now. Should I just ride this post cycle for 2 more months. Or bag it and do my own TRT ? Thinking of running 250mg a week with Novalex. I tend to get the sore nipple thing. Would be grateful for any input

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Why is medical HRT not an option? At 57 I am sure you will qualify for TRT. No need to PCT IMHO. Get some new gear and go at it again.

**4irishmen** · 01-11-2018, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by ThatGuy82

I am no expert but imo a 2 month pct is unnecessary for a light cycle of test c and deca... How long was this light cycle ran for?

I ran 1cc of test cip and .5cc of deca every 4 days. The 4 day thing was that it would land on a off day. More recovery. I had run 8 wk cycles successfully. Vendor encouraged me to go 12 WEEKS. Basically cause the gear sucked so bad.

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**4irishmen** · 01-11-2018, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by David LoPan

Why is medical HRT not an option? At 57 I am sure you will qualify for TRT. No need to PCT IMHO. Get some new gear and go at it again.

No insurance and financially not possible.

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**David LoPan** · 01-11-2018, 05:49 PM

Next time go for a trt dose, 100 mg twice a week. Plan it out. You will be shocked at how well it helps. Changed my life.

**ThatGuy82** · 01-11-2018, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by 4irishmen

I ran 1cc of test cip and .5cc of deca every 4 days. The 4 day thing was that it would land on a off day. More recovery. I had run 8 wk cycles successfully. Vendor encouraged me to go 12 WEEKS. Basically cause the gear sucked so bad.

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yeah I would say just finish the pct with what you got and find a new vendor and get some better gear! I personally would go TRT if I could but, right now I cycle on and off as I'm in the same boat as you with no insurance except through the VA, and all they would offer me is androgel .

I'm still fairly young though at 35 and my natural test levels always bounce back in the normal range for me after pct... I just hate the pct phase.

**kelkel** · 01-11-2018, 08:18 PM

Costco has 10ml bottles of cyp for about $40 give or take a few bucks. At 100 mgs pw that's 20 weeks worth with a script.

**GearHeaded** · 01-11-2018, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by 4irishmen

I ran 1cc of test cip and .5cc of deca every 4 days. The 4 day thing was that it would land on a off day. More recovery. I had run 8 wk cycles successfully. Vendor encouraged me to go 12 WEEKS. Basically cause the gear sucked so bad.

maybe your gear didn't suck as bad as you think , the dosage was the problem. nobody is going to make great gains off of only 100mg of Deca

**4irishmen** · 01-12-2018, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by ThatGuy82

yeah I would say just finish the pct with what you got and find a new vendor and get some better gear! I personally would go TRT if I could but, right now I cycle on and off as I'm in the same boat as you with no insurance except through the VA, and all they would offer me is androgel .

I'm still fairly young though at 35 and my natural test levels always bounce back in the normal range for me after pct... I just hate the pct phase.

I've always done traditional PCT protocol. To be honest even at 57 I snap back pretty quick. I never even used Clomid till recently. So I was on 10 weeks. I've also have followed time on time off at minimum. I think TRT would be very helpful with my sleep, depression and anxiety. Always better on cycle. Should I stay off 10 weeks before TRT ?

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**4irishmen** · 01-12-2018, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

maybe your gear didn't suck as bad as you think , the dosage was the problem. nobody is going to make great gains off of only 100mg of Deca

Possibly......but in the past it was a successful protocol for me. My goals are modest. Last 4 weeks I jacked it up 20% and still over trained. Methods that also worked in the past.

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**GearHeaded** · 01-12-2018, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by 4irishmen

Possibly......but in the past it was a successful protocol for me. My goals are modest. Last 4 weeks I jacked it up 20% and still over trained. Methods that also worked in the past.

thats pretty darn good genetics if you've made gains in the past off of only 100mg of deca (meaning your body metabolizes AAS and puts it to use very efficiently).. the thing is , over time and the more cycles you do, sometimes those dosages need to be bumped up. if you ran 100mg in the past, then in the future you may need to jump up to 200, then 300.

I started using Deca years ago and only started with 200mg and that worked fine. these days I need to run nandrolone upward of 1000mg. I can't grow off of 200mg, that gives me some joint support and thats about it. (but again a lot of that is dependent on genetics)

**AlphaMindz** · 01-12-2018, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by 4irishmen

I've always done traditional PCT protocol. To be honest even at 57 I snap back pretty quick. I never even used Clomid till recently. So I was on 10 weeks. I've also have followed time on time off at minimum. I think TRT would be very helpful with my sleep, depression and anxiety. Always better on cycle. Should I stay off 10 weeks before TRT ?

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What do you mean by snap back? Do you get blood work done pre cycle and your levels come back to baseline after pct? I get the sense you're going off how you feel (which by all means is important) but you gotta see the numbers. One should always get blood work before their cycle, a couple times through out the cycle IMO (especially if running orals and/or staying on for long periods of time), and then definitely post cycle to see if your levels are back up to par. IMO (especially given that you're 57 yrs old) you should bridge your cycles with trt doses of test.

**4irishmen** · 01-12-2018, 01:03 PM

I have run proviron ed 25mg during my cycles. I think that's a real help to me. I'll be honest. I've never had my bloodwork done. It's become quite obvious it's a mistake. One I won't continue. I just revisited the use of gear the past 3 yrs. Way back you just went by the seat of your pants. I'm pretty nieve to the process which has caused me to be hesitant. I have raise my understanding.

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**GearHeaded** · 01-12-2018, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by 4irishmen

I have run proviron ed 25mg during my cycles. I think that's a real help to me.

a real help in what way ?? Proviron is suppressive and will keep your natty test production shut down to a degree,, it would do nothing to help bring natty test production back

however, I agree Proviron is a great compound to run while on cycle . its affinity to SHBG will help your main compounds work better and make the cycle overall more effective

**4irishmen** · 01-12-2018, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

a real help in what way ?? Proviron is suppressive and will keep your natty test production shut down to a degree,, it would do nothing to help bring natty test production back

however, I agree Proviron is a great compound to run while on cycle . its affinity to SHBG will help your main compounds work better and make the cycle overall more effective

Thats all I was referring to. Though I also read on its own it can be a benefit. I've tried to be diligent but it's not easy sorting through all the information available now. Taking a step back I have to find a affordable lab for blood work. I slow was told to have adrenal gland testing done.

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