Timing first cycle help appreciated

**70rs** · 03-05-2018, 07:26 PM

Need assistance in timing my first cycle, I'm from the state's, so I'd really like to look good during the summer months,July August primarily,now here's the thing,my wedding anniversary is mid August so can't have any labido problems! Lol,not worried about fertility since we have 4 kids and we aren't having anymore! Im doing a 10 week cycle,so need recommendations on cycle start time etc, I'll be taking test e250 twice a week for 10 weeks,also ordered hcg armadex,Clomid and norva,appreciate any info,thank you all!

**GearHeaded** · 03-05-2018, 07:36 PM

as long as you don't make the mistake of running too much AI too early in the cycle before knowing if you even need it, you'll likely not have any libido issues running test only. I'd plan it to where your cycle will come close to ending the end of August.. thats enough time to get mid cycle bloods and get everything dialed in so you have no issues during the anniversary , you certainly don't want to be in that position around PCT or anytime shortly after

**70rs** · 03-05-2018, 07:46 PM

Ok ty,what would you recommend for AI? When to start? And how much?

**GearHeaded** · 03-05-2018, 07:53 PM

have an AI on hand. get blood work at week 5 and total test and sensitive estradiol done. use this blood work and how you 'feel' and this will tell you better what dose you may need to run. some guys don't even need an AI at all on 500mg of test , especially if they are trying to grow and add size. other guys are very estrogen sensitive and need to run it. other guys don't run an AI at all and simply run a low dose of Nolva the whole cycle to prevent gyno.

a starting dose of an AI is generally Aromasin 12.5mg EOD , or Arimdex .25mg 3x per week. also depends on your goals for the cycle

**70rs** · 03-05-2018, 08:11 PM

Ok ty,I ordered anastrozole, do you recommend the hcg ? And in your opinion is a 10 week cycle proficient or should I switch to a 12,I was reading and I believe cortisol builds up around 10 weeks,it's my first cycle, I'm 44 6,3 234 lbs,been lifting off and on for 20 years took a break when I had my daughter but been pretty committed other than that,not sure of any of that matters, but I do have a decent weight lifting back ground.

**GearHeaded** · 03-05-2018, 08:38 PM

running HCG throughout your cycle will better help you recover natty test when you come off . to put it simply, you'll maintain the connection between your balls and brain.

12 weeks is just fine for a first cycle. you'll get such an anabolic response from being on the gear for the first time , that neither cortisol nor myostatin will get in your way.
its guys like me that have ran 100s of cycles that need to worry about these things and often times cut our cycles shorter, like 8 weeks, then reset, resensitize, and keep catabolic hormones at bay , and then add in new compounds . it gets complex at this level and there are lots of advanced tricks and protocols (like using compounds that stop the production of cortisol, or using growth factors that don't elevate myostatin)

BUT for you. keep it simple and run 12 weeks and you'll do well

**70rs** · 03-05-2018, 08:50 PM

Awesome,thank you so much for your response,and help,it really is greatly appreciated!

**Dannyboy51577** · 03-05-2018, 10:11 PM

Hey 70, welcome to the club. Just a little perspective-im 40, just got back into aas. Cycles a good handful in my 20's, then life happened. Ended up with low t anyway so started my own protocol for now. Im good with 700mg/wk test without any issues with estrogen and dont take an ai except in the rare occurance it gets a little goofy. My good friend is running test only, same cycle with me, except he has horrible issues with E levels and is only on 300 mg/wk and cannot get by without an ai. It is really person dependant, but to start without it, then add it in later if you run into probs, is just fine. Best advice, spend the time and few bucks to get bloods maybe wk5 or 6, then you can look at results and know what your levels are on a given amount of test and what you require or dont require, for future reference

**cousinmuscles** · 03-06-2018, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

running HCG throughout your cycle will better help you recover natty test when you come off . to put it simply, you'll maintain the connection between your balls and brain.

HCG will help recovery since it will maintain testicular function but the HPTA gets suppressed, even by HCG alone. The connection between the brain and the balls is restarted with SERMs. HCG is just to make sure that when the signalling is done by the brain the testicles respond and don't need to recover from being shut down themselves.

**cousinmuscles** · 03-06-2018, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by 70rs

Ok ty,I ordered anastrozole, do you recommend the hcg? And in your opinion is a 10 week cycle proficient or should I switch to a 12,I was reading and I believe cortisol builds up around 10 weeks,it's my first cycle, I'm 44 6,3 234 lbs,been lifting off and on for 20 years took a break when I had my daughter but been pretty committed other than that,not sure of any of that matters, but I do have a decent weight lifting back ground.

Most people keep gaining past week 10 why cut yourself short, get that extra vial. Try for yourself and keep track of the weights and reps in the gym. When you no longer see increases in strength you won't get much growth, time to cut the cycle, come off and recover.

**cousinmuscles** · 03-06-2018, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by 70rs

Ok ty,what would you recommend for AI? When to start? And how much?

There's an excellent guideline right here:

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html

**70rs** · 03-06-2018, 07:33 AM

Ok,ty all so much for the replies!

**70rs** · 03-06-2018, 06:16 PM

Ok so I'm going to order another test e250, it will be enough to do a 12 week cycle, actually enough for a 15 week cycle but you get the idea,I also have 5000iu hcg already ordered I'll need more of that correct? And I also already ordered anastrozole 50 tablets 1mg each,tamoxifen 50 tablets 20mg each,and Clomid 50 tabs 50mg each, anything else I should be ordering or may need? Shipping is 25.00 so I'm just trying to see if I should order anything other than the extra test e250, thank you all in advance!

**GearHeaded** · 03-06-2018, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by 70rs

Ok so I'm going to order another test e250, it will be enough to do a 12 week cycle, actually enough for a 15 week cycle but you get the idea,I also have 5000iu hcg already ordered I'll need more of that correct? And I also already ordered anastrozole 50 tablets 1mg each,tamoxifen 50 tablets 20mg each,and Clomid 50 tabs 50mg each, anything else I should be ordering or may need? Shipping is 25.00 so I'm just trying to see if I should order anything other than the extra test e250, thank you all in advance!

no you won't need more HCG , as you don't have to run it from day one. 250iu 2x per week from week 6 until the day you start pct will be sufficient.
you've got plenty of AI there. you've got enough PCT for a 4 week pct. good job.

IF you can afford it , some Proviron is not a bad add to this cycle

**70rs** · 03-06-2018, 07:36 PM

Ok I'll look into now before I order the other testE,btw got the mk677 yesterday, it was 90 pills at only 10mg each for some reason I thought they were 20 mg each, only took 10mg last night ,I get up at 5am and just wanted to see how my body would react to it of at all,I think I'll try 20mg per day for a week and see how it goes then either leave ith there or try 30,only ordered 1 bottle first time tho. Thank you again!

**GearHeaded** · 03-06-2018, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by 70rs

Ok I'll look into now before I order the other testE,btw got the mk677 yesterday, it was 90 pills at only 10mg each for some reason I thought they were 20 mg each, only took 10mg last night ,I get up at 5am and just wanted to see how my body would react to it of at all,I think I'll try 20mg per day for a week and see how it goes then either leave ith there or try 30,only ordered 1 bottle first time tho. Thank you again!

your better off breaking your MK dosage up . 10mg at night , and 10mg earlier in the day. this will provide greater natty HGH blood serum levels over extended periods of time. however, you will want to buy a basic 12$ blood sugar monitor and measure fasted blood sugar, as the MK is more then likely going to raise it up to 20 points over time .. which is a whole other subject, but heck you at least know your MK is legit and the real deal

**70rs** · 03-06-2018, 07:57 PM

I was thinking that but the main reason I was going to take it only at night is because I was reading it may make you sleepy, I operate industrial saws and cranes and can't be out of focus at work. I have no real world experience tho,maybe I'll try it on a morning I'm off to see how my body reacts? Was reading up on the Proviron seems really good have to make sure my diet is up to par tho,I don't eat bad but just have to make sure I can keep it on point with the cholesterol.

**kelkel** · 03-06-2018, 08:06 PM

Great advice above from everyone. One thing I'd add to your list of things to do is to obtain a full set of blood work prior to this cycle. See where your baselines are to help judge your recovery later. There are on-line sites that are very inexpensive to use such as discounted labs or private md labs. They have packages set up for these circumstances. If you're not sure what to get, just ask.

Best of luck!

**70rs** · 03-06-2018, 08:13 PM

Your right I do need to get that done,I'm starting my cycle around June, I need to check out those sights im in between medical right now, and the priced out of pocket are ridiculous, and my doc isn't really keen on any type of anabolic anything lol.

**kelkel** · 03-06-2018, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by 70rs

Your right I do need to get that done,I'm starting my cycle around June, I need to check out those sights im in between medical right now, and the priced out of pocket are ridiculous, and my doc isn't really keen on any type of anabolic anything lol.

The sites are cheap compared to what they charge our insurance for BW. Neat thing is you make your choice, pay and then go to a Labcorp or similar for the blood work just like normal. Amongst all the normal and obvious lab work be sure to obtain LH & FSH.