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    Help! Bloods not looking so hot. please

    help. Am i in trouble?

    I'm thinking about drawing my own blood. anyone ever blood-let themselves? i have to drain about 1/2 pint. i got jars for half pints and i have the tubing for just this occasion, though i've never actually done it. i know how...


    i don't know what most of these high indicators mean, but i know high hematocrit is bad. hence the blood letting I'm going to perform.


    Test Name Result Flag Reference Range Lab

    CBC With Differential/Platelet
    WBC 5.6 -----------------5.6 ----------3.4-10.8 x10E3/uL 01
    RBC 5.75 -----------------5.75 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL 01
    Hemoglobin 18.0 --------18.0 HIGH------13.0-17.7 g/dL 01
    Hematocrit 53.1--------- 53.1 HIGH 37.5-51.0 % 01

    MCV 92 92 ---------------79-97 fL 01
    MCH 31.3 ----------------31.3 ------------26.6-33.0 pg 01
    MCHC 33.9 --------------33.9 -----------31.5-35.7 g/dL 01
    RDW 13.0 ---------------13.0 ------------12.3-15.4 % 01
    Platelets 276 ------------276 -------------150-379 x10E3/uL 01
    Neutrophils 34 ----------34 Not Estab. % 01
    Lymphs 51 --------------51 Not Estab. % 01
    Monocytes 12 -----------12 Not Estab. % 01
    Eos 2 --------------------2 Not Estab. % 01
    Basos 1 -----------------1 Not Estab. % 01
    Neutrophils (Absolute) 1.9 ---1.9 -----------1.4-7.0 x10E3/uL 01
    Lymphs (Absolute) 2.8 -------------2.8------ 0.7-3.1 x10E3/uL 01
    Monocytes(Absolute) 0.7--------- 0.7 -------0.1-0.9 x10E3/uL 01
    Eos (Absolute) 0.1---------------- 0.1 -------0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL 01
    Baso (Absolute) 0.0-------------- 0.0 --------0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL 01
    Immature Granulocytes 0 --------0------------ Not Estab. % 01
    Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 ------0.0 ---------0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL 01


    Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
    Glucose, Serum 95 -------------95---------- 65-99 mg/dL 01
    BUN 17 --------------------------------------17 6-20 mg/dL 01
    Creatinine, Serum 0.94 --------0.94------- 0.76-1.27 mg/dL 01
    eGFR If NonAfricn Am 105----- 105----- >59 mL/min/1.73 01
    eGFR If Africn Am 122 -------122----- --->59 mL/min/1.73 01
    BUN/Creatinine Ratio 18 ----18 -----------9-20 01
    Sodium, Serum 141 ------141----------- 134-144 mmol/L 01
    Potassium, Serum 4.9----- 4.9 -----------3.5-5.2 mmol/L 01
    Chloride, Serum 100 ------100 -----------96-106 mmol/L 01
    Carbon Dioxide, Total 26 ---26----------- 18-29 mmol/L 01
    Calcium, Serum 9.7 ---------9.7 -----------8.7-10.2 mg/dL 01
    Protein, Total, Serum 7.1 ----7.1 ----------6.0-8.5 g/dL 01
    Albumin, Serum 4.3 --------4.3----------- 3.5-5.5 g/dL 01
    Globulin, Total 2.8 ---------2.8 ---------------1.5-4.5 g/dL 01
    A/G Ratio 1.5------------- 1.5----------------- 1.2-2.2 01
    Bilirubin, Total 0.5 -------0.5------------------ 0.0-1.2 mg/dL 01
    Alkaline Phosphatase, S 66 ------66---------- 39-117 IU/L 01
    AST (SGOT) 30--------- 30 ------------------0-40 IU/L 01
    ALT (SGPT) 31 ----------31------------------ 0-44 IU/L 01
    Lipid Panel
    Cholesterol, Total------ 161----------------- 161 100-199 mg/dL 01
    Triglycerides 67 ---------67----------------- 0-149 mg/dL 01
    HDL Cholesterol 31----- 31----------------- LOW >39 mg/dL 01
    VLDL Cholesterol Cal 13--- 13-------------- 5-40 mg/dL 01
    LDL Cholesterol Calc 117---- 117 HIGH----- 0-99 mg/dL 01
    Testosterone , Free/Tot Equilib
    Testosterone, Serum--------- >1500---- >1500 HIGH ------264-916 ng/dL 01
    Adult male reference interval is based on a population of
    1 of 2
    healthy nonobese males (BMI <30) between 19 and 39 years old.
    Travison, et.al. JCEM 2017,102;1161-1173. PMID: 28324103.

    Testosterone,Free >49.05-------- >49.05-- HIGH- 5.00-21.00 ng/dL 02
    % Free Testosterone 3.27 ---3.27 -------------1.50-4.20 % 02
    Dihydrotestosterone
    Dihydrotestosterone 230 --------230- HIGH ng/dL 03
    Reference Range:
    Adult Male: 30 - 85
    Estradiol
    Estradiol 8.9 --------------------8.9 ---------7.6-42.6 pg/mL 01
    Roche ECLIA methodology
    Prostate-Specific Ag, Serum
    Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 0.9 -------0.9 ----------0.0-4.0 ng/mL 01
    Roche ECLIA methodology.
    .
    According to the American Urological Association, Serum PSA should
    decrease and remain at undetectable levels after radical
    prostatectomy. The AUA defines biochemical recurrence as an initial
    PSA value 0.2 ng/mL or greater followed by a subsequent confirmatory
    PSA value 0.2 ng/mL or greater.
    Values obtained with different assay methods or kits cannot be used
    interchangeably. Results cannot be interpreted as absolute evidence
    of the presence or absence of malignant disease.
    IGF-1
    Insulin-Like Growth Factor I ----179 --------179----------- 88-246 ng/mL 02
    Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum
    Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 55.5 ---------55.5----------- 16.5-55.9 nmol/L 01

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    here is the vid

    do i need to do this like right now? lol i need to let out a pint. this is going to be knarly. i'll post photos of the blood after i've filled my 500ml beaker... whata you think?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI9Q1HjIdPk

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    I DIY blood let regularly. Blood bank allows donations every 8 weeks and I need to let blood sooner than that. I use a blood bag I got off the internet. Comes complete with the needle.
    Recline in a tub or a couch just in case you faint.
    Clean the area of the arm with the vein for 30 full seconds with alcohol swab.
    Let air dry for 30 seconds.
    Tie the tubing around your bicep to increase pressure and expose the vein.
    Insert the needle at the smallest area of the vein. If you poke it right into the belly of the vein there's a good chance you're going to get blood everywhere.
    Once the needle is inserted, tape the needle down with some tape.
    Squeeze a ball once every 5 seconds to increase blood flow.
    1 unit of blood is about 500ml or 1 pint.
    When you're done, pull the needle out and press a cotton swab directly onto the pinned area and tape it down with a bandaid.
    Clean up the bag, and you're done.

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    i screwed up. did it and only got a few ML out. i think i nicked the vein because the site swelled up a bit. i think i created a hematoma. can i try again on the other arm or should i take a break and try again in a few days?

    how bad is what i did? it's happened to me before. i've gotten blood drawn zillions of times and had a dumbass like myself do this very same thing to me.
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    time to watch many videos... best i can do to learn
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    your blood test is alarming.

    how old are you and what is your down time between cycles?

    no way around using a 18g for this,

    id,personally use s butter fly , buy you need that big pipe of a needle in there, possibly even a 16g

    you'll need suction as well. drink lots of water and down some cayenne pepper powder tomato and celery.

    get the blood thin (although its not going to make a huge difference) but it will help.

    pump those veins and let it rip

    there is also a nice juicy big vein around the inner thigh, that's a volcano of a vein

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    shoot. i'm worried i'll screw this up again. any words of wisdom about inserting into a vein correctly? surely there are a few on here that do this and have messed it up a few times.

    i just took a gram of niacin, and drank a bunch of turmeric. gonna drink a bunch of water. i've been staying pretty darn hydrated.

    takin some fish oil too

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    i scheduled and app to get it done, on the 29th. however. i'm going to give the DIY blood draw a shot again and cancel my app if successful. i want to be able to do it by myself whenever. plus i think it's cool. I want to get good at it. it's a really good thing for my tool box.

    will the donation center take my donation if my hemotocrit is on the high end. I'm right smack dab at the end of the high end. what's the max they accept?

    got ma package!!! yea
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    im not sure what to do. I'm on a 500mg/week dose of test right now getting ready for a High Deca / High Test dose + some D bol and growth hormone like peptides.

    i don't think i can do that now. i've been taking test for a year now. if i go off it'll be hell.

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    Go see if they’ll let you donate before you try it yourself. Are you planning on staying on indefinitely? If so 500 mg a week of test is a pretty big dose to cruise on. You gonna run into this problem again

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    i cruise on 250mg a week when not on. recently upped it.

    what's a good cruising dose?

    i believe i'm getting some undecanoate soon. i have to set that up so it's the perfect dosage.

    Thanks ShaunJohn and Scotch! you guys are life savers.

    Shaun, i'm going to do that.
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    Do NOT try what you're doing with undecanoate. It will stay so long in your system that you'll have loads of issues trying to get things in order...

    Bro why don't you just go down to NORMAL test levels, physiological range, like 100mg test per week, and let your lipids recover, and do this often enough that you don't have to donate all the damn time... And perhaps let your body desensitize so that next cycle will work not just thicken your blood!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too-$mall View Post
    im not sure what to do. I'm on a 500mg/week dose of test right now getting ready for a High Deca / High Test dose + some D bol and growth hormone like peptides.

    i don't think i can do that now. i've been taking test for a year now. if i go off it'll be hell.
    they won't take with that bloodwork. no way.

    you want to come in at the flatest angle possible.

    after in tape it so it don't move, also do not blow through both ends.

    its gonna suck dude. but it needs done.

    I would not add anything to your cycle with cholesterol high and blood so thick.

    just play it safe, maybe drop to just a test cruise dose till things level out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too-$mall View Post
    i cruise on 250mg a week when not on. recently upped it.

    what's a good cruising dose?

    i believe i'm getting some undecanoate soon. i have to set that up so it's the perfect dosage.

    Thanks ShaunJohn and Scotch! you guys are life savers.

    Shaun, i'm going to do that.
    I will point out. this is the drawback to staying on B&C.

    I have a few friends who do. and this is thier main,issues as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    I will point out. this is the drawback to staying on B&C.

    I have a few friends who do. and this is thier main,issues as well.
    Why don't they go down to TRT levels of test? Just wondering... Would make life that much more simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    Why don't they go down to TRT levels of test? Just wondering... Would make life that much more simple
    they don't wanna hear it

    one of them,literally stays on tren for months, then adrol then back to tren.



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    Ok. going the safe route. gonna drop down to 100mg week. I'll need some different barrels for my needles, so i can get the dosage closer to most accurate. right now my barrels are 5ml working with vials that are 250mg ML. I'd like 1ml syringes, but .5ml would better. can't find those. i found some 1ml syringes.

    gonna brew this up and just tuck it away then. it's test U, P, and E.
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    how long do i need to stay on 100mg / week? how about 125mg / week? shoot

    thanks guys

    damn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too-$mall View Post
    Ok. going the safe route. gonna drop down to 100mg week. I'll need some different barrels for my needles, so i can get the dosage closer to most accurate. right now my barrels are 5ml working with vials that are 250mg ML. I'd like 1ml syringes, but .5ml would better. can't find those. i found some 1ml syringes.

    gonna brew this up and just tuck it away then. it's test U, P, and E.
    Attachment 172094

    how long do i need to stay on 100mg / week? how about 125mg / week? shoot

    thanks guys

    damn
    I would only brew what you need for a few months,

    no need stsrted the shelf life countdown early.

    I like 1ml 27g easy touch brand 5/8" for small doses.

    of say 150 a week is ok as well.

    but that's just my opinion, and I'm the furthest thing from a doctor.



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    slin needles? i got those.

    1/2 ml 29G 1/2" needles. that work?

    with doses that small do i need IM injection, or is SC ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too-$mall View Post
    slin needles? i got those.

    1/2 ml 29G 1/2" needles. that work?

    with doses that small do i need IM injection, or is SC ok?
    I been pinning .5ml of test base daily with 31g and 27g 1/2" slins (draws fine with 31g too) in delts. some cone short of muscle some don't.

    no PIP. nothing. no lumps etc.

    I do swab 3 times the skin with 91% iso

    I'm,from,the school of thought most (99%) of pip issues and lumps are from less than perfect sanitary practices regarding drawing and pinning

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    ok cool. whats your weekly dosage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too-$mall View Post
    ok cool. whats your weekly dosage?
    I'm running 500mg test e weekly and daily 25mg shots of TNE.

    .25MG DEX eod and hcg 250iu 2x weekly

    my bloods are new born baby like at 24 days into this. I front loaded with 1g test first week

    cholesterol 150
    triglycerides 66
    hdl 60
    ldl 77
    chol/hdl ratio 2.5

    I eat healthy consistently

    all fats come from eggs and seeds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too-$mall View Post
    Ok. going the safe route. gonna drop down to 100mg week. I'll need some different barrels for my needles, so i can get the dosage closer to most accurate. right now my barrels are 5ml working with vials that are 250mg ML. I'd like 1ml syringes, but .5ml would better. can't find those. i found some 1ml syringes.

    gonna brew this up and just tuck it away then. it's test U, P, and E.
    Attachment 172094

    how long do i need to stay on 100mg / week? how about 125mg / week? shoot

    thanks guys

    damn
    some good advice I got from marcus300,

    what dose of test? Do bloods and find a good range, actually you should get a doctor because there are lots of variables to control in TRT...

    how long off? until your blood come back showing you are good, back to baseline as you were before AAS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    they don't wanna hear it

    one of them,literally stays on tren for months, then adrol then back to tren.



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    Not kidding but this is an issue I have seen with many people IRL. They fear coming off because they lose that increased energy and the gains... end up just running stuff when they're already saturated and somehow gyno is an issue very often.

    Ha what a smart trick there with anadrol , however their bloods would be a spectacle to see lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    Not kidding but this is an issue I have seen with many people IRL. They fear coming off because they lose that increased energy and the gains... end up just running stuff when they're already saturated and somehow gyno is an issue very often.

    Ha what a smart trick there with anadrol, however their bloods would be a spectacle to see lol.
    my friend who does that (more of a old school mate/gym acquaintance who I test now and again) I asked him last week "so how's your blast going?"...

    "dude I had to drop the tren and adrol, my cholesterol was 315.."

    in like you need to take break

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    they don't wanna hear it

    one of them,literally stays on tren for months, then adrol then back to tren.



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    And odds are they don't look that good anyway....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too-$mall View Post
    slin needles? i got those.

    1/2 ml 29G 1/2" needles. that work?

    with doses that small do i need IM injection, or is SC ok?

    With lower volume it does not matter whether it's IM, SQ or a combination fo both. It all absorbs.
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    nice! thanks!

    really appreciate the help all. question. how do i set up my undecanoate for HRT. mg/shot and how often?

    Undecanoate
    that's why i got it. in a few months to a year I might be in a situation where I'll have so very little time. pinning the least amount would vastly increase my success odds for what I'm going to be doing. i was sort of counting on using T-undecanoate. I'll be totally screwed if i cant use T-undecanoate. i'm not kidding about having like no time at all. If things go the way i want them to go and i end up doing this, lol, I'll loose like 30lbs and shrink a full shirt size and i'm already not that thick. i was given a choice. this is actually the best one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too-$mall View Post
    nice! thanks!

    really appreciate the help all. question. how do i set up my undecanoate for HRT. mg/shot and how often?

    Undecanoate
    that's why i got it. in a few months to a year I might be in a situation where I'll have so very little time. pinning the least amount would vastly increase my success odds for what I'm going to be doing. i was sort of counting on using T-undecanoate. I'll be totally screwed if i cant use T-undecanoate. i'm not kidding about having like no time at all. If things go the way i want them to go and i end up doing this, lol, I'll loose like 30lbs and shrink a full shirt size and i'm already not that thick. i was given a choice. this is actually the best one...
    You shouldn't lose gains on TRT levels.

    I think you should just get undecanoate from a doc as things can go bad and when they do it won't take a week for the undecanoate to clear it can take months.

    You should do your due diligence and read the research on undecanoate and understand it's proven to work at 1000mg per injection once every 10-14 weeks in the general guidelines.

    Nebido takes a long time to kick in and is not frontloaded or anything like that, you just get a booster shot 6 weeks after the first injection. On the nebido site it even says it takes a year for all the TRT effects to kick in. Have to be serious about this and not just shoot 250mg nebido per week lol your blood will be getting thicker for months after your last shot and you won't know what the hell is going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too-$mall View Post
    nice! thanks!

    really appreciate the help all. question. how do i set up my undecanoate for HRT. mg/shot and how often?

    Undecanoate
    that's why i got it. in a few months to a year I might be in a situation where I'll have so very little time. pinning the least amount would vastly increase my success odds for what I'm going to be doing. i was sort of counting on using T-undecanoate. I'll be totally screwed if i cant use T-undecanoate. i'm not kidding about having like no time at all. If things go the way i want them to go and i end up doing this, lol, I'll loose like 30lbs and shrink a full shirt size and i'm already not that thick. i was given a choice. this is actually the best one...
    what are you planning on looking some type of criminal court case?

    I mean if you have time to use the rest room, why couldn't you pin a 3 minute shot 1 or 2 times a week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Why have you been on for a year straight?
    decided crashing wasn't worth it. recovery is hard. HRT makes things more comfortable. over the holidays i did a short cycle of Tren . like 3 months.

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    what are you planning on looking some type of criminal court case?

    I mean if you have time to use the rest room, why couldn't you pin a 3 minute shot 1 or 2 times a week?
    I'm just going to be very tired. I'm not going to want to. it takes me longer than 3 minutes. i'm not crazy about jabbing myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too-$mall View Post
    decided crashing wasn't worth it. recovery is hard. HRT makes things more comfortable. over the holidays i did a short cycle of Tren . like 3 months.



    I'm just going to be very tired. I'm not going to want to. it takes me longer than 3 minutes. i'm not crazy about jabbing myself.
    well man up and do what's safe.

    you think you'll have time for ...... nvm.

    that excuse of being tired makes not a bit of sense.

    so how you gonna keep gains you just completely fucked your blood work profile over? if your too tired to pin a shot of test 1x a week, obviously you have no plans on working out during this next year?

    1 shot of undec. every few month are not going to keep shit for gains

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    well man up and do what's safe.

    you think you'll have time for ...... nvm.

    that excuse of being tired makes not a bit of sense.

    so how you gonna keep gains you just completely fucked your blood work profile over? if your too tired to pin a shot of test 1x a week, obviously you have no plans on working out during this next year?

    1 shot of undec. every few month are not going to keep shit for gains

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    lol, yea i know. i probably won't have time for sex either let alone the gym. that what you meant? i hear guys get home then fall asleep in their car once they get to their driveway. they don't even make it inside.

    i'm going to be getting up at 3am and going home at 10am for 3 months straight the first 3 months. if i do good I'll get 1, or 2 weeks off. if i don't well then I'll have to work that week too. shrinking is unavoidable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too-$mall View Post
    lol, yea i know. i probably won't have time for sex either let alone the gym. that what you meant? i hear guys get home then fall asleep in their car once they get to their driveway. they don't even make it inside.

    i'm going to be getting up at 3am and going home at 10am for 3 months straight the first 3 months. if i do good I'll get 1, or 2 weeks off. if i don't well then I'll have to work that week too. shrinking is unavoidable.
    go ahead and use your undec.

    you realize how difficult that ester is to dial in steady therapeutic levels though, right?

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    well, you have a point. gonna get a place that's private then. if i'm gonna pin then i'm doing it somewhere with actual privacy. thanks. no undeca.

    now what the heck am i going to do with all this undeca....?

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    I'm actually a little scared, but i set a new personal record today... won't really mean shit if i get some kind of health issue out of the deal though... i've been taking aspirin, drinking turmeric powder, taking Unbiqunol, taking niacin, taking fish oil, and eating loads of garlic. gonna have onions on my steak tonight. shoot... thanks for the help everyone.

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    ok so i donated blood. when the gal tested my iron i think she said 79 and that's good. done deal

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    Donate regularly


    They know me by name now at the UBS by my house


    Every 2-3 mo

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    Donate as often as you can.
    Only when that fails do it yourself.

    I can’t donate so I need to blood let, but been a long time now since I’ve only been on about 170-250mg a week of T. And I can handle 250mg a week without to high hematocrit.

    Aspirin helps a little to stop clogging and is good to take anyways.
    100mg a day.

    Not that i recommend this approach;
    But when in hurry a 21G, preferably 18G in the calf vein with a tourniquet will easily get rid of 1-2dl of blood.
    Not enough really, but so easy I’ve done it just as a quick pick me up when hematocrits been at 52 and such. (It’s not really needed at 52, but what the hell, makes me feel fresh!)

    You’ll get into it, takes some trial and error and unless you’re really stupid it’s hard to really damage yourself greatly here.
    But don’t rummage the needle much around inside the vein. Will fuxk it up long time.

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