First Cycle Test E and Tren Ace

Hey all. Just a summary of what's going on and what I'm looking for. Need advice,tips,tricks, recommendations, and knowledge.

Physicallities: I'm 28 5'11 206lbs 15%bf

Goals: looking to lean out on 12 week cycle tren Ace and test e

Food: 2500 calories 190P 270C 65F

Cycle: I've been on test e for around 8 months 200ml a month because that's all insurance would allow. Current test lab came back 880. Started pinning my first week of tren Ace at 50ml EOD and 50ml of test every 5. I've pinned tren 3x so far

How I'm feeling: Definitely increased strength and major endurances through upper body workouts. Sweat much easier and libido levels are higher. No negative signs at all.

Questions and Recommendations: test and Tren fight for the same receptor with that being said is my cycle in line for success with current diet and exercise? Any suggestions or recommendedations with first cycle?

Thanks Josh

i'm no expert but you'll probably need an AI and pi (dostinex) and HCG for all that safety sh*t.

Is that the same as an estrogen blocker?

Has a doctor diagnosed you with low t? Or are you pinning off your own back?

If this is your first cycle, run 500mgs of test only. Tren is for advanced users and not to be messed with as a beginner.

Before you cycle read the first cycle stickie.. an ai should be a familiar terms.

Do you have a dopamine agonist on hand to prevent prolactin side effects?
I would stop the tren.

Also dont waste your first cycle cutting. Hammer the kcals in and force some growth

Is there a dictionary that all new gear users should purchase before posting to get familiar with the terms? My bad.

Yes Doctor diagnosed low test, I've been prescribed 200ml a month. I am tested every 3 months for all my levels. Test levels were 148 when I started now 880. Was recommended tren through a professional competitor and friend. I currently take aromasin daily per prescription from doctor. I've also read the first cycle stickie

Thanks Josh

200mg not 200ml per month of Test is not even TRT level. That breaks down to little less than 50mg/wk. A healthy young man will naturally produce about 70mg/wk of Test.

For your first cycle, just up your Test dosage to 500mg/wk and run it 12 weeks. Don't run Tren right now.

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Originally Posted by joshallds14

Is there a dictionary that all new gear users should purchase before posting to get familiar with the terms? My bad.

Yes Doctor diagnosed low test, I've been prescribed 200ml a month. I am tested every 3 months for all my levels. Test levels were 148 when I started now 880. Was recommended tren through a professional competitor and friend. I currently take aromasin daily per prescription from doctor. I've also read the first cycle stickie

Thanks Josh

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Wait, you doc wrote you 200 mgs per month? Not per week, per month? That's it?
Are you injecting once per month?
Exactly what is your TRT protocol?
When was blood work pulled relative to your last injection where your BW showed 880 T level?

ps: Your "friends" an idiot for recommending tren to anyone on a first cycle. Kick him in the nuts.

I take .5ml every 5 days that's my protocol. My T levels were checked 2 weeks ago after being on this protocol for 8 months. Only test.

P.S. my doctor is also the one that was supplying Dallas McCarver his test here in TN. She was at his funeral and everything.

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Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

200mg not 200ml per month of Test is not even TRT level. That breaks down to little less than 50mg/wk. A healthy young man will naturally produce about 70mg/wk of Test.

For your first cycle, just up your Test dosage to 500mg/wk and run it 12 weeks. Don't run Tren right now.

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So when is tren recommended?

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Originally Posted by joshallds14

I take .5ml every 5 days that's my protocol. My T levels were checked 2 weeks ago after being on this protocol for 8 months. Only test.

P.S. my doctor is also the one that was supplying Dallas McCarver his test here in TN. She was at his funeral and everything.

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Ok, well I read your original post at only being prescribed 200 mgs per month which caused the confusion. 5 day protocols are sound. Keep an eye on your E2 values though.

Tren should not be used until multiple cycles are under your belt and you're experienced.

She didn't work out to well for Dallas unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by joshallds14

So when is tren recommended?

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Much further down the road. 6 cycles at least or 6 blasts for you. To verify, Every 5 days you are taking 100mgs Test Cyp. With that you are looking at upping that to 400mgs Test Cyp for a 12 week blast if that is whats being prescribed. I assume she has you on an AI and HCG.

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Originally Posted by kelkel

Ok, well I read your original post at only being prescribed 200 mgs per month which caused the confusion. 5 day protocols are sound. Keep an eye on your E2 values though.

Tren should not be used until multiple cycles are under your belt and you're experienced.

She didn't work out to well for Dallas unfortunately.

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Yes unfortunately for Dallas he couldn't be around to do more.

What's considered experienced? A cycle of increased test 2 or 3 times over? Then tren. My levels are good, my physique is solid, diet is good. I feel like all lights are green and you all say no. I'm confused.

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Originally Posted by fit_deskjocky

Much further down the road. 6 cycles at least or 6 blasts for you. To verify, Every 5 days you are taking 100mgs Test Cyp. With that you are looking at upping that to 400mgs Test Cyp for a 12 week blast if that is whats being prescribed. I assume she has you on an AI and HCG.

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I'm on aromasin with the test cyp. So .5ml is 100mgs?

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Originally Posted by joshallds14

What's considered experienced? A cycle of increased test 2 or 3 times over? Then tren. My levels are good, my physique is solid, diet is good. I feel like all lights are green and you all say no. I'm confused.

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It really has nothing to do with your level of development. Learn what test will do both to and for you before you embark on to a cycle with the strongest androgen there is basically. Learn by getting blood work both before and after cycles to see the impact AAS has on it, both good and bad. It's a marathon not a sprint. Like skipping pot and going right to heroin....

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Originally Posted by joshallds14

Yes unfortunately for Dallas he couldn't be around to do more.

What's considered experienced? A cycle of increased test 2 or 3 times over? Then tren. My levels are good, my physique is solid, diet is good. I feel like all lights are green and you all say no. I'm confused.

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Tren is very harsh.

These guys are saying no tren because i can be dangerous and realistically theres no need for it at cycle number 1. You will grow massively off 500mgs of test e.

Use tren when you cant push past your plateu with other compounds.

If you want a number. Wait 6 years before using tren. That would be a safe bet and you likely wouldnt need it before then anyway

So the majority say wait. Ok.
So I should up test for my cycles...
Gain more strength for several years and reevaluate.
Then when I platuea look towards anabolics like tren?

So if I don't do that and stay on the tren and my current setup. What are the pros and cons? Just being real.

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Originally Posted by joshallds14

So the majority say wait. Ok.
So I should up test for my cycles...
Gain more strength for several years and reevaluate.
Then when I platuea look towards anabolics like tren?

So if I don't do that and stay on the tren and my current setup. What are the pros and cons? Just being real.

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Yes test only first cycle. Perhaps test again 2nd cycle. Then mybe test and an oral like dbol then test and deca.
Theres a sort of progression, you dont start with the strongest and work your way down.


If you stay on tren
-almost certainty to get estrogen/prolactin side effects since you dont know how to handle e2 with test alone this can snowball from high e2 to high prolactin ehich comes with some different nasty effects.
- tren is harsh on the liver, do you have any liver protection?
- you are wasting money imo
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500mg of test oer week.

Hcg 250ius per week but you should really already be on this on TRT anyway.

You may need to up your AI

FWIW I won’t run tren unless I compete again, it’s not needed for what the majority of people want to accomplish.

Diet will really dictate your results.

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Originally Posted by Back In Black

500mg of test oer week.

Hcg 250ius per week but you should really already be on this on TRT anyway.

You may need to up your AI

FWIW I won’t run tren unless I compete again, it’s not needed for what the majority of people want to accomplish.

Diet will really dictate your results.

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Diet always wins out no doubt. Im just growing in knowledge. Ok....I'm a little saddened because I got excited starting this but I guess I'll stop. I could feel the results instantly in the gym.

Should I go ahead and just start a test cycle? How much should I do on a cycle vs post cycle? And 500mg of test is how much? I only have ml as listed measurement on my bottles. I don't know the conversion. I apologize.

Thanks again for information from all of you

Somewhere on your vial/amp it will say xmg per ml.

Thats the only wsy we know how much is in each ml of liquid

So what's the recommendation for test for a cycle? And what's a post cycle look like

Read the Successful First Cycle Thread at the very top of this forum. It's as educational as it gets for someone new to this game.