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12 months
twice a week 250mg test cyp, 250mg hcg twice a week
12.5mg anastrozole eod?
last 4 weeks masteron or winstrol since it depends on the individual, one can experience with one or the other better results, whats your take on the DHT orals
Also can i take pin hcg right after test same days(monday thursday 8-10am)
followed by pct clomid and nolva 4 weeks 50 50 50 50, 20 ,20 20 20 if i got the numbers right lol
Just giving some tips from what i've read around the forums. Armidiex is probably better and PCT could be a bit better something like
Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 &
Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20
maybe
then again whatever has worked for you before.
Im guessing this was a typo and you meant 12 weeks?Quote:
Originally Posted by gjoney_b
Dht orals are effective for cutting and drying you out. They dont work as well at higher bf. Alot of guys say they are pointless at bf over 12 or 15%, but i am over that and i use winny at the end of a deca cycle. Although it doesbt have the same effect as if i was leaner, it does what i want it to do, drop a bit of bf, get rid of a bit of bloat and water retention and harden up just slightly.
You can pin your hcg right after test, no prob.
I would strongly suggest bloodwork- know your levels, where they are and where they should be
Clomid 100/50/50/50 and Nolva 40/20/20/20Quote:
Originally Posted by gjoney_b
Ok about hcg , do i check it on bloodwork how its working ? if i get test and estradiol levels checked, is LH and FSH test includedQuote:
Originally Posted by Dannyboy51577
Do i check my test,estradiol levels mid cycle to see where i need tweaking with estrogen up or lower the AI
Yes 12 weeks lol
Ok mate, id use EOD and then 4 weeks prior competition ed, get even dryer ive read that ai does that, and winny probably lowered your estrogen to the point your joint hurting? or just something else you probably checked bloodwork i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02
this is my first im planning havent done steroids before , build my foundation 7 years training this is for competition prepQuote:
Originally Posted by BenTren
Fair enough sounds like a good cycle. Guessing you're looking to lean up on this? Let me know how it goes i'm too looking for a cut cycle after i'm done with this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by gjoney_b
Exactly. Get your bloodwork done before you start anything. Not sure where you are located but there are a few options on how/where to get bloods pulled. Get the LC-MS version of the test- check details or ask- you want test that gives you sensitive e2 (estradiol), LH, FSH, CMP (metabolic panel), total test and free test.Quote:
Originally Posted by gjoney_b
Pull bloods again mid cycle, and you can see where you are and see if there are any adjustments that need to be made or anything out of whack.
As far as hcg, it wont show on bloodwork. If you want, you can drip it onto a pregnancy test, if it shows positive its good. But generally, if your nuts start to shrink, you give a blast of hcg, they come back to normal, all is good. Or if you are runnin it from the beginning, and they stay full and normal size, you are good
ok got it, CMP(metabolic panel) is it the lipid levels, total test is that converts to DHt and estrogen and free test binds to androgenic receptors? somewhat like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannyboy51577
What's your adex dose again? That's a typo right?
I'd hope so. That's almost more than I take annually on TRT.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
where i live anastrozole price is 17e and adex is 32e , isnt adex generic name anastrozole? whats the difference between the twoQuote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
no i meant anastrozole 12.5mg eod , adex i would do 0.25mg eod, i think for adex its 1mg weekly for 500mg test? if im not mistaken but then again it depends on the indvidual
Anastrozole - Arimidex = same thing.
You need to keep the decimal point in the right place!
12.5 mgs is 50 times more than .25 mgs.
.25 eod would be more appropriate.
i just thought anastrozole comes in 25mg tabs and divided in half .. then i got it wrong adex .25 eod sounds about right . thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
That would be Aromasin. But now you got it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by gjoney_b
Impressive physique having done it naturally. You will get great results from the gear with that base.
DHT orals like Proviron are good and many people swear by them..Also helps keep estro down which is favorable pre-contest.
I would run Proviron WITH Winny going into the show and switch your test to Prop 5 weeks out.
Also might want to raise your Adex 2 weeks out to really dry up for the show.
Just my two cents. Good luck bro you should keep us posted with pics.
Normally it's a 1 mg pill.Quote:
Originally Posted by gjoney_b
yeah i guess it was aromasin got confused there thanks, divide the 1mg pill into 4 parts with razor blade?Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
Thanks mate appreciate it , that picture on my avi was 3 years ago i just updated this was taken last year ,Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaMindz
yes i've read about adex prior to show drying you out bcus of lowering estrogen but it wouldnt be able to crash it for 2 weeks?
Well it will only crash your e if you take too much and that is easy to avoid if you experiment ahead of time and figure out the right doses for your body. Of course there are guidelines to go by but then we have to fine tune it ourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by gjoney_b
Another point to be made is Prop tends to cause less water retention but ironically it aromatizes a lot more then long ester test so that's another reason to run Adex pre show when one makes the switch to Prop.
so your first cycle ever is a contest prep cycle ?Quote:
Originally Posted by gjoney_b
hate to say it , but this may not turn out well. your more then likely going to end up holding a ton of water on stage (even running dry compounds) because your body is totally new to AAS and its going to respond in and 'inflammatory' way to the new substances that your putting in it. will you grow and add size? absolutely. but at the expense of you being very inflamed and watery on stage.
IF you are dead set on doing this. you need to plan it so that you run your cycle up until 2 weeks before the competition. 2 weeks before you step on stage you need to pull everything out. give your body a chance to shed the water..
perhaps you'll get lucky and a first cycle for you won't cause a ton of water retention . but keep in mind, everyone that you hear say there first or second cycle went great and they didn't get all the bloated was someone who was probably 13% bf , not someone 5% and stepping on stage.
you really need to plan this out and be careful what compounds your going to use if your going to do this. I'll post again looking at the situation with what compounds I'd suggest considering your situation.
Hey their I'm new to all this and will like some help to start bulking up and working out and of course get big any tips and watt could I do to start my first cycle
Thanks for the information .Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
I spoke to a guy in my city he adviced about switching to prop last 6 weeks and add low dose tren but then again idk how im going to react , prep competition cycle right now would be ideal so i stay off steroids most of the year because of my addictive behaviour and bigorexia id probably end up just trying to get bigger but then again i bet in the future im gonna be GearHeaded but hopefully im a little more informative then
Test prop aromatizes more than long ester but tren also has its effect on prolactin so to speak add masteron because inhibits prolactin .. so test prop tren and masteron good2go?
the reason guys switch over to test prop is so that they can pull it out a week or so before the show and the test will be out of their system. test e or test cyp are too long an ester, when you try to pull those out just before the show they are still in your system and aromatizing (causing water retention)
so yes, switching over to test prop about 6 weeks out is a good idea. then about a week or two before the show pull the prop out all together. you don't need anything in your body that will be aromzitizng or causing bloat.
test, tren, mast. thats all you need for a first show. keep it basic and simple.. you are correct on the Masteron inhibiting prolactin, it will also lower estrogen. BUT depending on how dry you are you still may need to run Letro 2 weeks out and get that last bit of estrogen down. you may feel like shit with no estrogen, but thats part of the game if your going to compete (for all you non competing gym rats, your way better off keeping estrogen on the high end and not even having to run an AI let alone Letro.. but competing is a whole diff ball game)