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considering this will be my first time using anything other than test e and i want to use anavar for my cut
how safe is this if i take TUDCA at 500mg/day.
i am planning on running a course of 100mg/day for 2.5 months.
What am i looking at long term? any damages to the liver/kidney?
What type of results will i see too?
100mg ed for 2.5 months is way too much brother and don't run it without test as a base u can go for 60mged with test prop for 8 weeks ,,not more then that..It is less but it is liver toxic and smash your cholesterol ,blood pressure and kidneys..
Indeed anavar is touted as mild but it is one of the harshest on your lipids. The sides vs results are not in favor of anavar...Quote:
Originally Posted by gjshivam
Wouldn’t TUDCA at high enough dosages counteract that effect? I honestly bought 4500mg worth of anavar last year but never had the chance to use it and I intend to finish it before it loses its potency each yearQuote:
Originally Posted by cousinmuscles
if your Anavar is indeed legit, you won't need 100mg a day. its really unnecessary. all your doing is cutting, that means your trying to hold onto as much muscle as you can in a calorie deficit. 40mg of Anavar a day will do that (unless your 300+ pounds). Its got one of the highest anabolic to androgenic ratings. run some test with it, and the VAR will bind up SHBG and free up more Test for muscle retention as well.
for a basic cut. 250mg test a week 40mg VAR. If your trying to harden up, recomp, or contest prep then I'd be saying something totally different (as most guys on here know I can be a fairly high dose guy). adding Mast wouldn't be a bad idea either. test, mast, and var at moderate to low doses will yield more results and be healthier for you then high dose VAR long term
add some NAC and some Glutathione to that Tudca for even more liver support.
low dose VAR is actually very safe for the liver and is actually medically used to treat alcoholic liver disease, so its safe, but 100mg is a whole diff story
ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
How long should I wait after running a course of var for 2 months at 40mg then?
I am interested in var because of a study I read
It said that var directly targeted lower abdomen fat stores
how long should you wait for what exactly ? do you plan on PCT or are you cruising or on TRT?Quote:
Originally Posted by Men in Black
you are correct. Var will stimulate abdominal fat loss. its a great cutting agent
Wait before doing var againQuote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
6 months?
I don’t do PCT
been on TRT dosage test e for nearly 4 years now
ok good then your in a good spot running VAR with TRT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Men in Black
you don't have to wait 6 months at all. simply get blood work done 6 weeks after cycle. if your LDL/HDL, liver enzymes and all that good stuff is in order and your health is clear then decide when you want to get back on again. if things are out of line, then wait and use any sups or nutrition to help resolve the problems and retest bloods.
I highly doubt a moderate amount of VAR along side TRT is going to skew your blood work too bad though
I take Gearheaded's advisement of a low-dose (I think that's around 12.5mg) being safe, as solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Men in Black
Just want to add that supplements Tudca... are not medicines. They aren't miracles. We use them to lower the damage, they do not counter the damage and balance things back to normal.
The data on oxandrolone (anavar) showing that miniscule doses of it will crush your HDL goes as far back as studies from the 1980s. If your's didn't then it was bunk lol sorry for the bad news. So not even if it was underdosed would it not skew bloods.Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1929679 from the fulltext, 7.5mg anavar daily reduced HDL by 44%, and for people with already low HDL: "Subjects with initially low HDL levels were rendered "profoundly hypoalphalipoproteinemic"(HDL as low as 0.031 mmol/L [1.2 mg/dL])"
They found minimal/no dose dependent effects on lipids. Same for winstrol only 6mg is needed.
Maybe I am missing something here but is not the critical question here is; Will there be permanent damage, or a high chance of that happening, if blood values are off for 6-8 weeks?
I have run 100mg of Oxandralone 2-times, and my values have returned to normal once I discontinued usage. While my personal experience is just that and does not translate into anything else that would seem more important.
My guess would be no, twice for 6 weeks of your life can't be that significant. I wouldn't want to be the one advocating this philosophy though as if anything you do is just a drop in a bucket... IMO get the most bang for your buck from whatever you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by tarmyg
If.you have pharma or even decent UGL var, you won't need anywhere near that dosage. One result of that dosage is that your hematocrit will be outrageously high and it will happen quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Men in Black
3 weeks of running PAR oxandrolone @ 30 mg/day had me standing in line at the donation center hoping they would open up early.
Yes your lipid values will be skewed, especially if you run that high of a dosage for the duration you mentioned.
You should be fine. ANAVAR is relatively mild but your using 100mg so just keep an eye out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Men in Black