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    Is HCG needed during Test/E cycle

    I'm doing 10 week Test E 500 mg/week, and for my pct I have clomid and nolva in hand. My question is my balls start to shrink which I guess normal when you are on cycle but for a better recovery do I need to have some HCG ? For your info, Now I'm on week 6.

    So If you guys thinks it's a good idea to use HCG, what will be dosage ? Is 500 IU/week for last 3 week of my cycle enough?

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    250iu 2x/ week during the cycle would be better. Some people question the use of HCG , but if it is used in TRT to prevent testicular atrophy and backfill pathways, then it should be even more important during a cycle, IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    250iu 2x/ week during the cycle would be better. Some people question the use of HCG, but if it used in TRT to prevent testicular atrophy and backfill pathways, then it should be even more important during a cycle, IMHO.
    Thanks, so since I'm in the mid-end of cycle do i need to wait and run it after my cycle or start it right away? By the way, is there any logic behind 500 iu;I mean how do they calculate it ? based on body weight ? or just something general?

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    Start I right way nd run it up until a few days before PCT starts.

    Extend your test to 12 weeks
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    As AG said.

    Enough juice will shrink your balls eventually anyway but hcg the entire cycle will greatly prolong atrophy and spped recovery.

    There is a standing myth about desensitization after a study in rats tha suggested doses were equivalent to 7500iu to humans per weight. Even then the desensatization was temporary.

    People like dylan gemelli parroted the 3 week idea due to imaginary desensitization.

    Run one large cycle of AAS without and you will see why that is a shit idea.

    Coming to you from a guy with normal sized balls that used to have regulation baseballs.
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    ok guys, but my question is how can I calculate the proper dosage of HCG ? is there any logic behind 500 iu/week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farhad.ganji View Post
    ok guys, but my question is how can I calculate the proper dosage of HCG ? is there any logic behind 500 iu/week?
    Yes, it is enough for a cycle and time proven the best method for recovery after cycle. Little to no lh desensitization yet it is enough to mimic function and keep your boys turned to the on position.

    Your boys stay swole right up to the administration of clomid and nolva. I bump hcg up to 750iu wk on heavy ass cycles trying to save nut.

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    Starting late as you are I'd probably go with 250 iu's x 3 per week up to 3 days before pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farhad.ganji View Post
    ok guys, but my question is how can I calculate the proper dosage of HCG ? is there any logic behind 500 iu/week?
    There was a study done showing that 500iu a week was the most effective dose.

    Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression

    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/90/5/2595/2836735
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    Ok got the point and I have one more question , I have prepared 250 iu each individually in a syringe, but the thing is I mixed Hcg with sterile water. Will it cause any problem since they are in different syringes?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farhad.ganji View Post
    Ok got the point and I have one more question , I have prepared 250 iu each individually in a syringe, but the thing is I mixed Hcg with sterile water. Will it cause any problem since they are in different syringes?!
    ???
    How do you prepare it in a syringe?
    You use bacteriostatic water not sterile water if you wish it to keep potency.

    That post lost me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
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    How do you prepare it in a syringe?
    You use bacteriostatic water not sterile water if you wish it to keep potency.

    That post lost me.
    The thing is i went to pharmacy and asked him to prepare it so what hi did :

    - first he mixed the 5000 iu amp with 2 cc injection water
    - then he put 10 iu in each insluin syringe.
    - he told me i can fridge it for a month.
    - and then he suggested To inject 5000 iu via IM at once at the end of cycle instead doing this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farhad.ganji View Post
    The thing is i went to pharmacy and asked him to prepare it so what hi did :

    - first he mixed the 5000 iu amp with 2 cc injection water
    - then he put 10 iu in each insluin syringe.
    - he told me i can fridge it for a month.
    - and then he suggested To inject 5000 iu via IM at once at the end of cycle instead doing this
    Very poor advice, IMO.
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    So my question is it safe to keep them in fridge ? and for how long can I use them ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farhad.ganji View Post
    The thing is i went to pharmacy and asked him to prepare it so what hi did :

    - first he mixed the 5000 iu amp with 2 cc injection water
    - then he put 10 iu in each insluin syringe.
    - he told me i can fridge it for a month.
    - and then he suggested To inject 5000 iu via IM at once at the end of cycle instead doing this
    Assuming you mean he put 100 units in two syringes @ 2ml mix the 5000iu becomes 2500iu per syringe 10 units = 250 iu per 10 unit marks on the slin pin.
    I.e. the "1" mark on the syringe is 250iu, which you need to administer 2x per week to be at 500iu per week, for the duration of the cycle.

    The doc mixed it right but he used sterile water which is a no go. You need hcg mixed in bacteriostatic water, in a sterile vial, so you can draw and pin as needed.

    The hcg will keep a month maybe but should lose potency quickly.

    For more info you might ask kelkel. He knows a little more about hcg and the idea people get that it loses its potency at an alarming rate which is not true in bacteriostatic water.

    In sterile water I have no idea exactly how long it will last and it is controversial.
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    Can I inject 500 iu once a week or I should split it? and since I just started late my hcg during cycle (started mid-cycle) do you think is it a good idea to increase dosage on the last week something around 1000 iu or no needed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farhad.ganji View Post
    Can I inject 500 iu once a week or I should split it? and since I just started late my hcg during cycle (started mid-cycle) do you think is it a good idea to increase dosage on the last week something around 1000 iu or no needed?
    Not necessary to increase the dose on the last week, 250iu 2x per week due to half life, e.g Mon & Thurs.
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