Considering Coming Off

[< <Samson> >]

Well, I said it - only one of two things would make me stop, LE or serious health complications


Thankfully(I guess) it's the 2nd



I can not shake my IBS symptoms. So far, I have had everything aside from a scope shot in each end. . . BW is 100%

No direct indication of anything specific. . . I get on gear - I'm fine. A month will go buy & it starts all over again. Diarrhea combined with constipation. . . I ate nothing out of the norm, had one alcoholic drink & now I am typing as I curled up in a pretzel.


From the outside in - I look like a kid playing hookie from class. . . I look to b in the best health of my life.

Not much I am left with here at all - I have switched gear, stopped GH, keep a clean diet - yet, I feel straight bloated a solid 1/2 of the time.



I'm open to suggestions


But, I don't see many left - last time, I starved it out & lost 8 pounds doing it.

Yet, when I feel good - I feel great. . . But, being turned into an imobile pretzel is getting very old & fast.

[Reborn747]

What were you running ?

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[< <Samson> >]

What were you running ?

Weekly > 100mg tren ace, 120"ish" of mast Prop & 400mg of test


Nothing else - sadly to say, I doubt this is gear related


I'm at loss at this point - IBS is nasty shit to deal with < well, lol

[bullshark99]

Yeah, that's no fun....not to mention could be the biggest inconvenience there is. How long you been dealing with it? Possible crohns, Diver T? Drs give you any heads up to this? Did you see a Gastro or you just dealing with your GP?
You probably saw a Gasto but if not, seems to be the next logical step.

Good luck man...

[< <Samson> >]

Next step is a GI specialist


I have been to the ER twice for this in the last two years. . . My shits got so bad, I couldn't keep anything in both times & they hit me with 2k CC's of saline due to severe dehydration

Last time I just went to an urgent care. Same thing, BW is 100%


I am getting this nonsense every 1-4 months for 2 years. . . I get to a point where I can't leave the house anywhere from a day to over a week.



It seems to have let off the most last time when I had it & stopped my GH. Then It happened again, semi abruptly- I figured due to what I ate at the time.

Now a month & a half later, I got this - again

I can recal everything I ate yesterday & nothing was out of the norm. The day before, I ate a bit - but, nothing severe & I felt just fine yesterday.


today - well, a bullet in the head would most likely be more painless

[Eduke93]

Yeah, that's no fun....not to mention could be the biggest inconvenience there is. How long you been dealing with it? Possible crohns, Diver T? Drs give you any heads up to this? Did you see a Gastro or you just dealing with your GP?
You probably saw a Gasto but if not, seems to be the next logical step.

Good luck man...

^^ this for sure..

Haven’t heard of gear ralated issues like this, my misses dad has symptoms like this and he has an imbalance in his stomach, something to do with stomach acid.... there is a medical term for it but I can’t remember it its pretty much the exact same symptoms as IBS.

With that being said there are so many different issues you could have... Ulcerative Colitis, Microscopic Colitis, Chrons, Lactose intolerance, Diverticulitis, Stress, Celiac... the list goes on.

See a specialist for sure, good luck mate!

[bullshark99]

Wow, much worse than I envisioned.......

The fact your BW is GTG is obviously a very good sign that it is not something significant, hopefully the GI has a quick fix for ya.
Again, best of luck

[hollowedzeus]

I woupd investigate Chrohns disease. My friend went through somethig similar by the sounds of what you describe and he was diagnosed with it.

He managed to avoid getting his bowels removed and being fitted with a bag. I think he gets a monthly dialisis and is fine for the moment.

Take care whatever you do mate.

[< <Samson> >]

Yeah, it's not all that funny n e more


This all started about 2 years ago when I was running Metformin, drinking like a fish & sucking down c*****e by the ball


It really fucked something up - I'm clean now, don't drink all too much & take it easy on the gear.


I'm fighting a losing battle, I can't handle either or both - th gear or the food intake that I need

[marcus300]

Shit to hear, pardon the pun.

Seriously try fkaxseed if you haven't already. I've been on this ground flax for 2 months and its the best dietary supp I've ever took. There's so many health benefits its truly is the no1 superfood.

I know someone who suffers with ibs for the last 5 yrs and ground flax completely cure him within 2 weeks of 2 heaped tablespoons daily.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...being.features

[diesel101]

My daughter fought IBS from the time she was 15 until she turned 20 and had her gall bladder removed. It did not cure it 100% but It made a huge difference. I would say it cured the problems 80%.

[Reborn747]

http://drhyman.com/blog/2013/09/17/c...syndrome-days/




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[Lemonada8]

Have u had a colonoscopy? If u want, u can PM me so we dont have to air out ur 'dirty laundry' aka medical history on the forum lolz

[< <Samson> >]

Have u had a colonoscopy? If u want, u can PM me so we dont have to air out ur 'dirty laundry' aka medical history on the forum lolz

I can care less - it's y it's very nice having one piece left online that is faceless


Negative - as mentioned above


Although, this seems to b heading that way.


Not much left to check - at least it will rule out more much negative possibilities

[Lemonada8]

Sry must have missed that part... any blood in the BM's? or just alternating diarrhea and constipation?

and while on gear ur good? then off gear ur back in the depths of IBS?

With a quick search, it seems that there is new research out there that there is a new guide to research towards sex hormones and IBS and how they interact...

Very interesting!

[Couchlockd]

get checked for Gastroparesis

[Ashop]

Maybe you could just stay on some TRT levels and give up the cycles,,at least for now.

[< <Samson> >]

No blood whatsoever in any BM. Just intense pain after a BM. . . . My theory - I don't process simple sugars well, alcohol being one of em. I haven't had issues for over a month, but I have def slacked on my IBS diet. . . Nothing negative happens, so I just keep going. . . Until


I suppose this somewhat goes along with the other thread - drop "most" gear when sick

[Couchlockd]

This is exactly what I went through for 8 years of my life you get tested in the hospital everything comes back perfect they almost think you're lying to them the answer to everything is and eventually a shot of morphine or Dilaudid

That actually just makes it worse although it relieves it temporarily it compounds the problem

If you don't mention gastroparesis they'll never think to look at that

[< <Samson> >]

Just did some good reading on gastroparesis

Can't say it is the case, but it may - but, I love the solution - Nothing, just deal with it




GI issues seem to all have one thing in common - you're fucked, there r no real solutions whatsoever

[Couchlockd]

Just did some good reading on gastroparesis

Can't say it is the case, but it may - but, I love the solution - Nothing, just deal with it




GI issues seem to all have one thing in common - you're fucked, there r no real solutions whatsoever

I stopped eating before bed, and highly alkaline diet

[< <Samson> >]

I stopped eating before bed, and highly alkaline diet

Gotcha on the 1st

But, what's a high alkaline diet? < I should prob know this



What a great pain to have tho, completely debilitating - can't work, can't do anything. I just get to have the wife look at me like I'm making shit up.

[Couchlockd]

do you get terrible bouts of sweating, followed by cold? a feeling that you just "need to get it out of you" either by puking or number 2?

I take these pills from vitamin Shoppe, alkalizer and detox. as well as a digestive enzyme (natures bounty enzyme 13) and probiotics.

I had my first episode of this in 2003. had a welcoming home party and drank a 30 pack of pabst.

the next day I had it for 16 hours. and ever since that day it would show its ugly head once or twice a month and completely ruin at least a 36 hour chunk to 3 days. hospital always ran test after test after test. MRI, sonogram, scopes, blood, fecal, always fit as a fiddle. they thought at one point i was playing them for pain meds.

I brought up the fact that I haven't filled one script of oxycodone or hydrocodone they send me home with for the last decade. so they always ended up with either a shot of morphine and or dilaudid. I would pass out from it. wake up 2 hours later high as a kite go home and be somewhat ok. until I tried to put food in,me because I was starving from notveating for over a day or more.

I would eat a bit, ,that went ok, then more, then "uh-oh a littke too much" and now I'm,constipated from the morphine and dehydrated and cycle repeats.

does this sound close?

[GearHeaded]

BPC-157 .. give it a try. its been used by people with Colitis and they swear by it. it helps heal the lining of the intestines and limit digestive inflammation.

may also want to try mega dosing Glutamine. Also, removing all sources of carbs from your diet like wheats, grains, breads, flour, etc.. and only have white rice as your carb source.

[< <Samson> >]

do you get terrible bouts of sweating, followed by cold? a feeling that you just "need to get it out of you" either by puking or number 2?

I take these pills from vitamin Shoppe, alkalizer and detox. as well as a digestive enzyme (natures bounty enzyme 13) and probiotics.

I had my first episode of this in 2003. had a welcoming home party and drank a 30 pack of pabst.

the next day I had it for 16 hours. and ever since that day it would show its ugly head once or twice a month and completely ruin at least a 36 hour chunk to 3 days. hospital always ran test after test after test. MRI, sonogram, scopes, blood, fecal, always fit as a fiddle. they thought at one point i was playing them for pain meds.

I brought up the fact that I haven't filled one script of oxycodone or hydrocodone they send me home with for the last decade. so they always ended up with either a shot of morphine and or dilaudid. I would pass out from it. wake up 2 hours later high as a kite go home and be somewhat ok. until I tried to put food in,me because I was starving from notveating for over a day or more.

I would eat a bit, ,that went ok, then more, then "uh-oh a littke too much" and now I'm,constipated from the morphine and dehydrated and cycle repeats.

does this sound close?

This sounds disturbingly sot on


Same thing here, actually on the 3 trips to ER - Have some Vicodin. . . . I'm like wait, won't this make it worse. . . . Ahh, oh well - I can sell these & at least pay myself for my suffering


The last 2 ER visits were fvcking rough. . . . The last one not as bad as the time before. . . But, over 72 hours of not being able to keep anything in - no joke. . . . Nothing would stick, not chicken sou not anything




It has been over a year now since the last ER Visit. . . . Since then, I have gotten better at catching this. I fasted out the last 3 or so - but, god damn


Yes, on the sweats & chills at times - I was curled up in a pretzel from about 4 to 8 this am. With the wife looking at me, like I'm retarded & I'm making shit up. . . . Oh no, this shit is real

[< <Samson> >]

BPC-157 .. give it a try. its been used by people with Colitis and they swear by it. it helps heal the lining of the intestines and limit digestive inflammation.

may also want to try mega dosing Glutamine. Also, removing all sources of carbs from your diet like wheats, grains, breads, flour, etc.. and only have white rice as your carb source.

I will def looking into the 1st - Never heard of it, but something new to look into is always good


Y mega doses of Glutamine? I have before for heart burn when I pump higher doses of tren



As far as carbs - I am to the point where I am actually making a full on list of what works & what don't. . . . .



Fucking age

[Grumpo]

Yo google Stan efferding’s vertical diet. It’s 100bucks but I guartee you it well help with all your digestion issues. The whole philosophy of the diet is centered around proper digestion

The dude handles the strongest athletes in the world and they are all running this same diet. Brian Shaw, Thor, and Larry wheels to name a few. And I’m willing to bet they are running a ton more gear than you bro.

Seriously give this a shot for a couple weeks and you’ll see it’s amazing. I’d strongly reccomend this before coming off the sauce and loosing your hard earned gainz

Goodluck man


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[Mr.BB]

Try amla powder. Put it in gel capsules as its hard to swallow.

[Obs]

Just did some good reading on gastroparesis

Can't say it is the case, but it may - but, I love the solution - Nothing, just deal with it




GI issues seem to all have one thing in common - you're fucked, there r no real solutions whatsoever

I put up with this for five years and hived out every night (skin writings-google it).

I cut out gluten entirely for a few weeks and it all went away. Since I have ate gluten and I dont hive out etc but I get gassy and the more I eat the worse it gets.

Its worth a shot though. I tried everything else.
This was when I was 22-27. No issues before it.

[Couchlockd]

This sounds disturbingly sot on


Same thing here, actually on the 3 trips to ER - Have some Vicodin. . . . I'm like wait, won't this make it worse. . . . Ahh, oh well - I can sell these & at least pay myself for my suffering


The last 2 ER visits were fvcking rough. . . . The last one not as bad as the time before. . . But, over 72 hours of not being able to keep anything in - no joke. . . . Nothing would stick, not chicken sou not anything




It has been over a year now since the last ER Visit. . . . Since then, I have gotten better at catching this. I fasted out the last 3 or so - but, god damn


Yes, on the sweats & chills at times - I was curled up in a pretzel from about 4 to 8 this am. With the wife looking at me, like I'm retarded & I'm making shit up. . . . Oh no, this shit is real

to the uninformed it looks EXACTLY like severe opiate withdrawal

[Obs]

BPC-157 .. give it a try. its been used by people with Colitis and they swear by it. it helps heal the lining of the intestines and limit digestive inflammation.

may also want to try mega dosing Glutamine. Also, removing all sources of carbs from your diet like wheats, grains, breads, flour, etc.. and only have white rice as your carb source.

You are gonna turn me into a research chem freak

[GearHeaded]

You are gonna turn me into a research chem freak

lol, well lots of benefits to be had out there. peptides and research chems offer a lot, especially for guys like myself that generally self treat and stay away from the doctors and screwed up health care system.

- have pre diabetes , well theres a peptide that will help fix that
- have sleep problems, peptide for that as well
- get sun burned too easy and often, peptide to fix that and help prevent you from getting skin cancer
- have a torn or strained something , peptides to help heal that up
and of course there are the muscle building and performance enhancing peptides

You want more androgen receptors so that you can begin putting more AAS to use and eventually grow more muscle.. yep got one for that too
want to mobilize and burn more fat for fuel .. yes you guessed it, got one for that too that is NOT a stimulant

[Couchlockd]

lol, well lots of benefits to be had out there. peptides and research chems offer a lot, especially for guys like myself that generally self treat and stay away from the doctors and screwed up health care system.

- have pre diabetes , well theres a peptide that will help fix that
- have sleep problems, peptide for that as well
- get sun burned too easy and often, peptide to fix that and help prevent you from getting skin cancer
- have a torn or strained something , peptides to help heal that up
and of course there are the muscle building and performance enhancing peptides

You want more androgen receptors so that you can begin putting more AAS to use and eventually grow more muscle.. yep got one for that too
want to mobilize and burn more fat for fuel .. yes you guessed it, got one for that too that is NOT a stimulant

tell me of the "be more mobilized and burn not fat too" peptide?

also is there one for a type 1 diabetic that can't quite control blood sugar real good?

[tarmyg]

My wife has been battling UCI (Ulcerative Colitis) for 16 odd years and nothing have helped. I have seen some like GH mentioned, success with BPC-157 but it's more sporadic and about as scientific as all the people trying different diets. If you look at clinical trials going on with UCI they still have zero clues why this is happening. A colonoscopy will be able to confirm such a diagnosis. I would get one sooner rather than later but in any case, not much to be done about it unless you remove the colon.

[< <Samson> >]

Shit, what's really awesome is that I can't even really touch opiates. . . One 10mg Vicodin & I won't shit for a week.

Yup - kinda where I'm at, might as well remove the colon. . . Wait, we need it - don't we. Lol



Sucks

[GearHeaded]

Shit, what's really awesome is that I can't even really touch opiates. . . One 10mg Vicodin & I won't shit for a week.

Yup - kinda where I'm at, might as well remove the colon. . . Wait, we need it - don't we. Lol



Sucks

on the bright side, John Meadows won his IFBB pro card without one and continues to be pretty jacked

[Obs]

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[< <Samson> >]

Try amla powder. Put it in gel capsules as its hard to swallow.

Looking into this also


Shit, red yeast rice helped my cholesterol numbers a lot


I could always add more homeopathic stuff to my arsenal of counteractive meds


I have always been kinda wary of peptides. Just my opinion at this point. . . But, I still try all kinds of random shit. . . Some stuff just works for some people, then over time it doesn't. . . We're all so the same, yet we react so differently at times.

[< <Samson> >]

on the bright side, John Meadows won his IFBB pro card without one and continues to be pretty jacked

That is bad ass! Very good read, thx for that info man. . . Seeing this really does give a glimpse of what people can/do go through.

[< <Samson> >]

On the Amla Powder - how many grams a day?