Winstrol - why its used for cutting and contest prep

[GearHeaded]

Winstrol is one of the best cutting and contest prep steroids. Now why is that ?

it dries you out and hardens you up making you more defined and less watery. PLUS one other big benefit that no other steroid offers.

its going to bind to and inhibit aromatize enzyme, thus lowering estrogen, which in turn will allow you to begin losing water weight.
its 3x more anabolic then test and though it will not put a lot of mass on, the muscle will get stronger and harder.
it has a strong affinity to SHBG, and will thus lower it and free up more free testoerone to help build muscle

BUT its unique ability. instead of just inhibit cortisone at the receptor sites to a certain degree like some steroids are able to do, it completely blocks all cortisone production at the adrenal glands themselves. Cortisol is an anti inflammatory stress hormone, thats also catabolic. When your in a calorie deficit and cutting, your Cortisol levels will elevate and you will begin catabolizing muscle tissue for fuel. So Winstrol helps you keep a ton more muscle while dieting. Why do guys joints hurt while running Winny, its not just the loss of water and getting shredded, its not just the low estrogen (estrogen is partially responsible for joint health) , its the complete blocking of cortisol that causes this aching, your joints are inflamed from training and there is no natural anti inflammatory to ease the inflammation. but this causes you to hold less water, less estrogen, and hold onto a ton of muscle.
thus making it a great cutting compound and contest prep drug


note: winstrol is not a fat burner. its not great for cutting because of any fat burning properties.
being it dries you out and makes you lose water, it does however really help you gauge your fat loss while on a diet being theres not a film of water between the fat and the skin, so you'll know and use the mirror to more easily gauge fat loss

[ScotchGuard02]

Great info, thanks.

[kelkel]

I did not realize it totally blocked cortisol. Interesting stuff.

[Obs]

I did not realize it totally blocked cortisol. Interesting stuff.

I didnt either.
Now I am weighing joint pain vs muscle loss at my job.


This is awesome gh.
I never considered running winny again until I read that part. Cortisol has always been a huge enemy of mine because my job is extremely high adrenaline sometimes. I have sought ways to block it but never found one.

Next blast I may up the trt deca to higher dosages and throw in winny as the oral.

Now I am looking at
Tren base
Mk677
Winny
Masteron
Hexarellin


You know how to make a guy think, especially a dumb one like me.

[clarky.]

Good info GH.

[hammerheart]

You should provide sources. Can you link any scientific article about how stanozolol inhibit cortisol?

[GearHeaded]

You should provide sources. Can you link any scientific article about how stanozolol inhibit cortisol?

I generally do the research and just give the basics that effect guys use of the compound. most want to know how and why to use something more then the science behind it. so I give practical application.
but if you want look into the science of it then look into how Winny is derived from DHT and what modifications are altered in chemical structure. its here that enables Winny to block Cortisol at the gland itself rather then merely blunt the receptor. it has a unique alteration (I can't recall off the top of my had at one point or ketone group) compared to other DHT derived steroids that enable it to be able to block cortisol

[cousinmuscles]

I generally do the research and just give the basics that effect guys use of the compound. most want to know how and why to use something more then the science behind it. so I give practical application.
but if you want look into the science of it then look into how Winny is derived from DHT and what modifications are altered in chemical structure. its here that enables Winny to block Cortisol at the gland itself rather then merely blunt the receptor. it has a unique alteration (I can't recall off the top of my had at one point or ketone group) compared to other DHT derived steroids that enable it to be able to block cortisol

So you are assuming a total blunting of cortisol production, and humiliate me when I provide you a scientific source that tested stanozolol's effects on serum cortisol?

[GearHeaded]

So you are assuming a total blunting of cortisol production, and humiliate me when I provide you a scientific source that tested stanozolol's effects on serum cortisol?

I'm not getting into this again with you (someone who has never even ran Winstrol anyways). go do what I said and come back in 5 weeks

[cousinmuscles]

On the other hand you don't have to take it personally, everything is a learning experience, we all see things through our own mental lenses, but with getting to know facts we can reshape the lens and see more clearly...

[hammerheart]

I generally do the research and just give the basics that effect guys use of the compound. most want to know how and why to use something more then the science behind it. so I give practical application.
but if you want look into the science of it then look into how Winny is derived from DHT and what modifications are altered in chemical structure. its here that enables Winny to block Cortisol at the gland itself rather then merely blunt the receptor. it has a unique alteration (I can't recall off the top of my had at one point or ketone group) compared to other DHT derived steroids that enable it to be able to block cortisol

If there's blocking at the adrenal gland levels that means the very metabolic pathways leading to cortisol synth have been inhibited.




Which one of the enzymes is being inhibited? If there's near total cortisol blockage, then I'd also expect gross accumulation of steroid precursors, especially the pregnanes. Is this consistent with your experience?

Or you say it's the signaling (CRH->ACTH) from hypothalamus-pituitary that gets inhibited?

[Mr.BB]

yeah I know.

GH, we have strict NO FLAME POLICY, this kind of posts do not show respect for the fellow user who reply to your thread. Debating ideas, and posting our opinion is fine and do not needs to be inflammatory.

I generally do the research and just give the basics that effect guys use of the compound. most want to know how and why to use something more then the science behind it. so I give practical application.
but if you want look into the science of it then look into how Winny is derived from DHT and what modifications are altered in chemical structure. its here that enables Winny to block Cortisol at the gland itself rather then merely blunt the receptor. it has a unique alteration (I can't recall off the top of my had at one point or ketone group) compared to other DHT derived steroids that enable it to be able to block cortisol

If you are posting you own opinion, or your own anedoctal experiences, please state so. Members here like to debate ideas and there is a great amount of knowledge please respect that by explaining your fundaments and reasons, also providing medical studies or bw that will help prove your point.

Also, in my opinion you should put a disclaimer that the dosages you are suggesting are not for novices, and are only for professional or semi-pro athletes that are followed by medical doctors. 200mgs per day of winstrol can wreck someones health!

[Obs]

GH, we have strict NO FLAME POLICY, this kind of posts do not show respect for the fellow user who reply to your thread. Debating ideas, and posting our opinion is fine and do not needs to be inflammatory.



If you are posting you own opinion, or your own anedoctal experiences, please state so. Members here like to debate ideas and there is a great amount of knowledge please respect that by explaining your fundaments and reasons, also providing medical studies or bw that will help prove your point.

Also, in my opinion you should put a disclaimer that the dosages you are suggesting are not for novices, and are only for professional or semi-pro athletes that are followed by medical doctors. 200mgs per day of winstrol can wreck someones health!

Maybe you need to go read the capebuffalo vs. Powerstroke comp thread.
If you were here you were "flaming" me like 90% of the board.
That rule needs to be changed to what it is.

"You may flame if you are popular"

[Medic 1]

That’s some great info thank you sir

[AlphaMindz]

That makes sense as to why my joints ache when lifting heavy while on Winny.

So based on this information when people run Nandrolone with Winny to counteract the drying out of their joints, they're actually not counteracting that side at all because it has to do with cortisol and not actual dry joints.

Why is it then that Deca really does tend to keep my shoulder and elbow joints nice and smooth while on Winny...?

[GearHeaded]

That makes sense as to why my joints ache when lifting heavy while on Winny.

So based on this information when people run Nandrolone with Winny to counteract the drying out of their joints, they're actually not counteracting that side at all because it has to do with cortisol and not actual dry joints.

Why is it then that Deca really does tend to keep my shoulder and elbow joints nice and smooth while on Winny...?

Deca is great to run at a small dose with Winstrol. because Deca has its own anti inflammatory properties, it also helps promote synovial fluid in the joints, which will help ease the pain even though no corstisol is available

[AlphaMindz]

Deca is great to run at a small dose with Winstrol. because Deca has its own anti inflammatory properties, it also helps promote synovial fluid in the joints, which will help ease the pain even though no corstisol is available

I gotcha, so the synovial fluid increase in the joints will have a lubricating effect and keep inflammation down so the lack of cortisol presents less of a problem.....?

[GearHeaded]

I gotcha, so the synovial fluid increase in the joints will have a lubricating effect and keep inflammation down so the lack of cortisol presents less of a problem.....?

exactly . and the lack of Cortisol will keep from going catabolic and breaking down muscle tissue while in a calorie deficit.

[RoxRunner]

If I understand this correctly, say I have a bum joint that gets an occasional cortisone shot, if I'm on winny, it will inhibit the cortisone from doing it job in alleviating the pain? Or does it block the natural production only and what is introduced exogenous will remain and provide relief?

[GearHeaded]

If I understand this correctly, say I have a bum joint that gets an occasional cortisone shot, if I'm on winny, it will inhibit the cortisone from doing it job in alleviating the pain? Or does it block the natural production only and what is introduced exogenous will remain and provide relief?

Winstrol blocks Cortisol at the adrenal gland itself (stops the production of cortisol) and thats it.. so if you got an exogenous shot of cortisone the cortisone will still do its thing

[RoxRunner]

Winstrol blocks Cortisol at the adrenal gland itself (stops the production of cortisol) and thats it.. so if you got an exogenous shot of cortisone the cortisone will still do its thing

Awesome info as always! Thanks, GH.

[cousinmuscles]

Winstrol is one of the best cutting and contest prep steroids. Now why is that ?

it dries you out and hardens you up making you more defined and less watery. PLUS one other big benefit that no other steroid offers.

its going to bind to and inhibit aromatize enzyme, thus lowering estrogen, which in turn will allow you to begin losing water weight.
its 3x more anabolic then test and though it will not put a lot of mass on, the muscle will get stronger and harder.
it has a strong affinity to SHBG, and will thus lower it and free up more free testoerone to help build muscle

BUT its unique ability. instead of just inhibit cortisone at the receptor sites to a certain degree like some steroids are able to do, it completely blocks all cortisone production at the adrenal glands themselves. Cortisol is an anti inflammatory stress hormone, thats also catabolic. When your in a calorie deficit and cutting, your Cortisol levels will elevate and you will begin catabolizing muscle tissue for fuel. So Winstrol helps you keep a ton more muscle while dieting. Why do guys joints hurt while running Winny, its not just the loss of water and getting shredded, its not just the low estrogen (estrogen is partially responsible for joint health) , its the complete blocking of cortisol that causes this aching, your joints are inflamed from training and there is no natural anti inflammatory to ease the inflammation. but this causes you to hold less water, less estrogen, and hold onto a ton of muscle.
thus making it a great cutting compound and contest prep drug


note: winstrol is not a fat burner. its not great for cutting because of any fat burning properties.
being it dries you out and makes you lose water, it does however really help you gauge your fat loss while on a diet being theres not a film of water between the fat and the skin, so you'll know and use the mirror to more easily gauge fat loss

I'm confused. You use the words cortisol and cortisone interchangeably as if they're the same.

Winstrol (stanozolol) lowers serum cortisol just a little bit, in experiments from 16 micrograms/dL to 14 micrograms/dL (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4992507, page 237 in the journal, page 6 of the article in the discussion section).

[GearHeaded]

I'm confused..

yeah I know.

[GearHeaded]

I'm confused. .

take 100mg of Winstrol a day for 5 weeks and get your blood work done. have cortisol levels checked before you start and then again after.
you will no longer be confused.

[GearHeaded]

Winstrol (stanozolol) lowers serum cortisol just a little bit, in experiments from 16 micrograms/dL to 14 micrograms/dL (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4992507, page 237 in the journal, page 6 of the article in the discussion section).

a medical dose of 5mg per day is much different then a body builder contest prep dose of 100-200mg per day. the former will effect cortisol only a "little bit" like you suggest, the bodybuilder dose on the other hand will blunt it all together .

99% of the studies you like to link are using way way way lower dosages of things then bodybuilders use. thats why most the studies are 99% of the time irrelevant, and while hands on personal experience is the most relevant and accurate.

[cousinmuscles]

a medical dose of 5mg per day is much different then a body builder contest prep dose of 100-200mg per day. the former will effect cortisol only a "little bit" like you suggest, the bodybuilder dose on the other hand will blunt it all together .

99% of the studies you like to link are using way way way lower dosages of things then bodybuilders use. thats why most the studies are 99% of the time irrelevant, and while hands on personal experience is the most relevant and accurate.

Thank you for replying constructively, however you have to check the source, they didn't use 5mg. Also, I didn't use that source to negate that it can lower cortisol. You claimed it blocks the production of cortisol totally, as in zero production, not lowering.

If you would go to a doctor and told him of (hypothetical) you using some harsh drug, like methamphetamine, and the doctor told you it is dangerous and could kill you, would you ask them if they have ever done it themself and died?

Or even worse, do you refute studies just because of your personal experience with something?

[GearHeaded]

Thank you for replying constructively, however you have to check the source, they didn't use 5mg. Also, I didn't use that source to negate that it can lower cortisol. You claimed it blocks the production of cortisol totally, as in zero production, not lowering.

If you would go to a doctor and told him of (hypothetical) you using some harsh drug, like methamphetamine, and the doctor told you it is dangerous and could kill you, would you ask them if they have ever done it themself and died?

Or even worse, do you refute studies just because of your personal experience with something?

studies are all fine and dandy. but we got to take them in context. bodybuilders on high dosages of these compounds are a different class of people . show me a study done on 5000 bodybuilders using a ton of AAS. when they start doing that I'll start paying more attention to them rather then relying mainly on practical experience .

you may or may not get this point.
- arsenic is NOT poisonous/lethal . unless you take enough of it to be poisonous to you (its dose to toxicity level is very low though, meaning it don't take much)
- Water is NOT poisinous/lethal . unless you take enough of it to be poisonous to you, yes you can die from drinking too much water (its dose to toxicity level is very high, meaning it takes a whole lot of it to kill you).

a lot of these studies are really really dose dependent. one dose of a drug could have one effect and one dose of the same drug could have a totally different effect.

and as my post on this thread is about, bodybuilders using a bodybuilder dosage of Winstrol (which will block cortisol)

[cousinmuscles]

studies are all fine and dandy. but we got to take them in context. bodybuilders on high dosages of these compounds are a different class of people . show me a study done on 5000 bodybuilders using a ton of AAS. when they start doing that I'll start paying more attention to them rather then relying mainly on practical experience .

you may or may not get this point.
- arsenic is NOT poisonous/lethal . unless you take enough of it to be poisonous to you (its dose to toxicity level is very low though, meaning it don't take much)
- Water is NOT poisinous/lethal . unless you take enough of it to be poisonous to you, yes you can die from drinking too much water (its dose to toxicity level is very high, meaning it takes a whole lot of it to kill you).

a lot of these studies are really really dose dependent. one dose of a drug could have one effect and one dose of the same drug could have a totally different effect.

and as my post on this thread is about, bodybuilders using a bodybuilder dosage of Winstrol (which will block cortisol)

You changed stance though because you explicitly state it blocks cortisol production completely.

Not all drugs work dose dependently either. For example stanozolol's effects on lipids are not dose dependent.

So there is times when you pay attention to the studies before claiming facts, and times where you pay attention to studies, see that you are using it in a different way, and then claim that you assume it works in a particular way when you use it.

Not saying I don't believe your experience of 100-200mg winstrol, but you claimed something else, when you do so, why is nobody allowed to ask a question and provide a source that opposes what you say? Also why do you have to change stance?

[guitarzan]

I do not tolerate winny very well, especially while on tren. Stomach issues. I probably don't need to take it anyway with my herniated discs

[XXXXXXXXXX]

I do not tolerate winny very well, especially while on tren. Stomach issues. I probably don't need to take it anyway with my herniated discs

whats winstrol got to do with herniated discs

[guitarzan]

whats winstrol got to do with herniated discs

A herniated disc has lost its fluids, winny can dry up joints. Don't sound like a good combo to me, but not sure

[GearHeaded]

A herniated disc has lost its fluids, winny can dry up joints. Don't sound like a good combo to me, but not sure

exactly right. when you have issues like this you don't want to totally block cortisol, as its a natural anti inflammatory, adding in things like deca which can help you hold fluid may be beneficial as well.

[Dannyboy51577]

I dont know if my last bloods had cortisol results in them, i doubt it. But ill pull them up anyway, and of they did, ill let you guys know and ill play guinea pig to see what it does to levels

[Octaneforce]

Is finastride affective against stopping dht conversion while using winny? I was always under the impression that fina has no use against dht derived compounds because the dht is just being directly introduced, rather than being converted. However from the reading ive done in the passed week i learned that fina can in fact reduce dht while on winny and mast. Maybe anavar too?

Atleast this is what ive gathered lately

[GearHeaded]

Is finastride affective against stopping dht conversion while using winny? I was always under the impression that fina has no use against dht derived compounds because the dht is just being directly introduced, rather than being converted. However from the reading ive done in the passed week i learned that fina can in fact reduce dht while on winny and mast. Maybe anavar too?

Atleast this is what ive gathered lately

being these compounds are actually derived from DHT, they themselves do not convert to DHT in the body. the reason guys get DHT issues, like hair loss, prostate flare up, is likely because these drugs have a strong affinity to SHBG and will thus drastically raise free testosterone levels, which in turn means you have more test to convert to DHT . so they indirectly raise DHT. just lower your dose of test, or use a DHT blocker like fina or dutest

[GearHeaded]

not changing stance. my original post has in its title "Winstrol - Contest prep" -- the whole thing assumes body building dosages to begin with. period.

[guitarzan]

Mr. bb, I disagree a little. Gearheaded has a vast knowledge of aas, and luckily he is sharing his experience with us. Whether you agree with him or not, that's what this forum is for. If you gonna scold him for being a smart ass, return the favor to the ones that's been flaming him. Truth of the matter is, NONE of this shit is safe! None of it

[Mr.BB]

Mr. bb, I disagree a little. Gearheaded has a vast knowledge of aas, and luckily he is sharing his experience with us. Whether you agree with him or not, that's what this forum is for. If you gonna scold him for being a smart ass, return the favor to the ones that's been flaming him. Truth of the matter is, NONE of this shit is safe! None of it

No problem disagreeing man. Not trying to scold him at all, and not calling him a smart ass, if it come out that way I'm sorry, I dont have Kel's english skills . Just trying for threads not to side track, it has happened a little and all we want is ppl to discuss subjects in the most civil way possible (exception for the lounge lol).

Subjects can be discussed without flaming, not everyone is right or wrong 100% of times, discussing can be healthy, but the flaming rule exists for a reason, and sometimes we need to remember users about it. Hopefully not inflamed discussion continue here

Please let me know, or anyone from the staff (better yet is to open thread in One On One With The Staff) about other threads you think this has happened to GearHeaded. In this thread I can only talk about what happens here, otherwise it will be mess.

[GearHeaded]

Mr. bb, I disagree a little. Gearheaded has a vast knowledge of aas, and luckily he is sharing his experience with us. Whether you agree with him or not

thank you GZ..
but seems as though i'm not allowed by the mods to share my knowledge or experience with you guys anymore unless i back everything i say up with medical studies, blood work, and a confirmation photo of myself

[boricuarage78]

Ah Winny. My first steroid when I knew nothing about AAS and thinking it was a fat burner..
Winstrol is great for Comp and cutting; however it has an impact on lipids and will increase LDL. Add that with adex and lipids can increase dramatically.
I wouldn't go past 4 weeks with it. Plus it ain't no good for the joints unless you add a low dose Deca to keep them lube.
Should also take fish oils when running such compounds. Well fish oil should be a daily regimen.

I prefer winnie over Var. Cost effective as well

Great info. Thanks for sharing

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