Just finished First Cycle...

[SeñorSalvador]

Hey guys, I just finished running TestCyp at 500mg/week for 10 weeks. I would like to start blasting 750mg/week for another 12 weeks as soon as possible. I’m not planning on coming off completely. I was thinking of bridging the two cycles with 4-5 weeks of TRT dose. Any thoughts??

500mg/week was my first cycle. Went really well in my opinion. I went from 165lbs to 187lbs and seem to have kept my vascularity the whole time. I got
Blood work done pre and mid cycle. However I don’t really know how to read blood work. I’ll post some
Pics, and hopefully someone can help me.

[Mooseman33]

glad it went well.

This was ur first cycle, the feeling is great, i remember it clear as day.
Please do not follow thru with this. Come off, do a pct and recover. Then cycle again.
keep making gains with diet and training.

Please do not just jump into living on AAS at 30. No need to rush into needing trt.

[SeñorSalvador]

Thanks for the response moosman. My plan is to come off completely after I’ve ran 750mg/week for 12 weeks. Then recover for as long as needed. I have no intention of staying on TRT anytime soon. Would it really be that bad to bridge the two cycles then come off completely for 5-6 months even??

[cousinmuscles]

Where's your AI?

You will need to recover and resensitize for another cycle. Do what mooseman suggested.

Thanks for the response moosman. My plan is to come off completely after I’ve ran 750mg/week for 12 weeks. Then recover for as long as needed. I have no intention of staying on TRT anytime soon. Would it really be that bad to bridge the two cycles then come off completely for 5-6 months even??

The longer you are on the more difficult it is to recover.

[SeñorSalvador]

I was running .25mg arimidex 2times a week up until week 8. Then I upped it to .75mg/week due to sensitive nipples.
I’m aware it will be a longer, harder journey trying to recover but it’s a task I’m willing to take on. I hope I’m not coming across as stubborn or immature. I just have already made up my mind. But I do really want to hear everyone out.
Would any of you be able to help me
Out with my blood work results.??

[mxgregg]

You need to show complete results.

[Octaneforce]

Just do pct if you dont already have low test levels. Your test will still be high during pct and then go back to normal for the few weeks after. I see where you are coming from, pct seems silly to me because by the time i finally return to homeostasis i just jump back on again. But if you are recovering and not a competitive bodybuilder, then cruising isnt really necessary.

Lets say you baselined at a test level of 600. You do your cycle, and during pct if you did bloodwork you would still have high levels. Lets say 1000 because of the pct drugs. Now you do bloodwork 6 weeks after pct and you are back at 600

What would cruising really do? Keep your levels at 800-1200. Sure that would be nice but like i said if you arent making a career out of this just let your body recover. Dont forget the impact juice has on things like cholesterol and blood thickness. Staying on at high doses wont let your body return to normal lipids easily.

These are all imaginary numbers but you get the idea. Just do a Pct while your body is still recovering easily.

[kelkel]

I’m aware it will be a longer, harder journey trying to recover but it’s a task I’m willing to take on.

You're not taking the task on, your HPTA is.

[cousinmuscles]

I was running .25mg arimidex 2times a week up until week 8. Then I upped it to .75mg/week due to sensitive nipples.
I’m aware it will be a longer, harder journey trying to recover but it’s a task I’m willing to take on. I hope I’m not coming across as stubborn or immature. I just have already made up my mind. But I do really want to hear everyone out.
Would any of you be able to help me
Out with my blood work results.??

Is your arimidex pharma grade? Try 1mg per week and retest but keep in mind if you use pharma grade next time it might be stronger...

The estradiol test wasn't sensitive but from what I know if it gives very high readings like yours it isn't far off. But you should get a sensitive test anyway.

What I meant about resensitizing is gains come to an end after a certain point, with enanthate some people's gains stop at 10, some 12, some a week or two more. I don't get anything past 12 weeks, can't lift any heavier etc. just wasting time.

[mxgregg3544]

I hope I’m not coming across as stubborn or immature. I just have already made up my mind.

But you are, you don't want to hear what everyone is saying. Recover first.

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[Chrisp83TRT]

But you are, you don't want to hear what everyone is saying. Recover first.

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What he said . This is your FIRST cycle... people on here have been at it for years. Take their advice

[SeñorSalvador]

Ok guys, I’ve read all your comments. Thank you by the way. I’m thinking I’m gonna jump into pct and get my levels back to normal. I guess I was getting kinda excited n maybe a lil carried away. ( the gains were just coming really good! ) lol. Unfortunately I’ve broken one of the very first important rules and I don’t have HCG on hand. However I’m trying now to get it as soon as possible. I do have clomid and nolvadex on hand for pct tho.

[mxgregg3544]

You made the right choice. Take your time, read everything you can and take good advice from these guys. Believe me they only want you to stay healthy.

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[SeñorSalvador]

Since it’s my first cycle and I only ran it for 10 weeks. You guys think I should try recovering with clomid and nolvadex only? Or should I wait and run hCG for two weeks?

[cousinmuscles]

Since it’s my first cycle and I only ran it for 10 weeks. You guys think I should try recovering with clomid and nolvadex only? Or should I wait and run hCG for two weeks?

HCG throughout the cycle, clomid and nolva 2 weeks after last pin of test E. HCG only is not even a PCT.

[SeñorSalvador]

Interesting. I don’t know any guys that run HCG while on cycle. However I do read about guys running hCG while on cycle. I’m of the thought that hCG is good near the end to help with recovery. Just till you start running clomid and nolvadex. So I would run hCG on my last week of injections and two weeks beyond, then pct. Rich Piana said, why send mixed signals to your body. Your taking synthetic hormones so your shut down, but then your running hCG to send signal to start back up. That doesn’t make sense to me.

[mxgregg3544]

Because he's an idiot, run it your whole cycle and stop at the same time, take a couple weeks to let everything get out of your system and then start your PCT.

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[Mr.BB]

Rich Piana said, why send mixed signals to your body. Your taking synthetic hormones so your shut down, but then your running hCG to send signal to start back up. That doesn’t make sense to me.

Rich, may he rest in peace, doesn't have the best understanding of endocrinology. You are not sending any mixed signals. Taking hcg is giving a direct message to testicles, taking gear messages your hypothalamus.
Think of it as when taking hcg you are replacing the pituitary (and hypothalamus) which is shutdown.

[cousinmuscles]

Interesting. I don’t know any guys that run HCG while on cycle. However I do read about guys running hCG while on cycle. I’m of the thought that hCG is good near the end to help with recovery. Just till you start running clomid and nolvadex. So I would run hCG on my last week of injections and two weeks beyond, then pct. Rich Piana said, why send mixed signals to your body. Your taking synthetic hormones so your shut down, but then your running hCG to send signal to start back up. That doesn’t make sense to me.

Rich Piana has spewed some of the dumbest things I have heard. He did not say things for educational purposes but to appear different, original and to attract views. The whole "mixed signals" thing is unscientific syllogism.

HCG does not signal anything on your body but your testicles, it signals them to maintain normal function, produce sperm and a little testosterone. Your hypothalamus-pituitary is still shut down and HCG does not help there. HCG simply mimics LH at the testicles only.

If you do not use HCG your testicles will atrophy and it will take time for them to grow back and return to "normal production speed" so to speak. So when you use the SERMS nolva and clomid, they will tell the brain to produce LH and FSH. However when this LH reaches the testicles, if they are at 50% production capacity due to atrophy and being told not to produce test/sperm for months, guess what, your recovery will be that much less better.

Using HCG as a PCT is almost as bad as no PCT at all. HCG shuts down your hypothalamus-pituitary and will delay your HPTA from restarting... with a slight benefit of helping the testes gain a little size before you start a long and hard natural recovery.

[SeñorSalvador]

Ok so I think I have a better understanding now. Thanks for explaining. I’ll keep reading for now. Thanks again for everyone’s input.

[Mr.BB]

Could you explain your logic to me please. Would your LH and FSH not be shutdown anyways?? Does hCG over power the synthetic hormones?

He just did...

[cousinmuscles]

HCG signals the leydig cells in the testicles to produce testosterone just like LH. It is similar to LH in that regard. It's like not producing any LH but having the benefit of no testicle shrinking. Yes it overpowers the exogenous AAS since they do not shut down the testicles themselves, they shut down the hypothalamus-pituitary which in turn stops producing LH and FSH.

So now you know what Rich Piana didn't know

[SeñorSalvador]

Thanks cousinmuscles, and thanks to everyone else who’s had input. It’s nice having somewhere to get serious feedback when needed.