My first (actually planned out) cycle

**drogers86** · 05-29-2018, 02:29 PM

I did my FIRST cycle inDecember. It was just 4 weeks of Anavar with 15 days of Clomid for P CT. Milk Thistle every day and no booze. As is typical of every newbie, I was following the advice of a buddy. I was happy with the results, so I decided to go on another cycle.

I want the next cto be a bit more serious/thought out, so in preparation I got Var, Win, Test E, and Clen . The plan is this:

10 w total
W 1-4: 50 m g Win/day
W 6-10: 50 m g Var/day
W 3-8: 40 m cg Cle/day (my understanding being that a Cle cycle should not exceed 6 weeks, I dropped it in the middle of the overall cycle and it'll be 2w on/2w off)
Test E throughout (1 ml/week)
Milk Thistle throughout (after reading some of this thread, I'm convinced that I'll need better liver support, so I'll switch this with something better)
Regular supplements throughout. Vitamins, etc.

Wait 14 days for PCT
Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20

Now that was the plan I just pulled out of the air with the help of my more experienced dudebro. However, after reading the extensive "First Cycle" sticky in this subforum, I see the wisdom in starting out more slowly. So now I'm interested in mirroring the cycle found in that post, since there seems to be a consensus on it.

So now my plan looks exactly like the one in the "first cycle" thread:

- Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
- Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)
- Wait 14 days for PCT
- Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20
- Liver support and regular supplements throughout

My questions/comments/concerns about this cycle are as follows:

- This sounds like a LOT of test, and I just want to make sure it's accurate. The bottles I have are 250mg each. Am I really going t be shooting up two bottles per week?? If so, I'm going to need to stockpile a lot more of this stuff. Plus I'll need much bigger syringes than what I have, lol

- The Arimidex I have available to me is at a higher dosage. 1mg/cap. Would I be ok taking 1mg every other day instead of .25mg? The caps I can get are powdered, so I could open them up and weigh it out/chop it up lie I'm a coke dealer. However, If I can safely take 1mg, I'd rather do that since it's easier :P (I won't sacrifice safety for ease, though. If I can't exceed .25mg, I'll divide up the pills I have without bitching)

- Idk where to get the hCG from. Finding that's gonna suck.

That's it. I'm a simple man with a simple plan. I'm perfectly willing to scrap that original plan and instead go with the more thought out one. I am, however, interested to know what you guys think of that first plan. If it doesn't suck, maybe I can use it as my next cycle, or the one after.

Here are my personal stats:

Age: 32
Gender: Male
Weight: 225 lbs
Height: 5/11
Bodyfat %: ~26%

**mxgregg3544** · 05-29-2018, 02:38 PM

Your test is probably 250 mg per ml and your bottle is most likely 10 ml. Get a 1 ml syringe and fill to the top or 100 mark. That would be 1 ml of 250 mg test.

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**drogers86** · 05-29-2018, 03:06 PM

Oh thank God. Getting 20 bottles of this stuff was looking pretty expensive!

**mxgregg3544** · 05-29-2018, 03:08 PM

Ask more questions and make sure you have the correct dosing down cuz you can really mess yourself up obviously.

Originally Posted by drogers86

Oh thank God. Getting 20 bottles of this stuff was looking pretty expensive!

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**drogers86** · 05-29-2018, 05:14 PM

Yeah, definitely. I was worried that my question was stupid, but I'm glad I asked. 2 full bottles per week would probably kill me.

**mxgregg3544** · 05-29-2018, 05:48 PM

There's a lot of guys around here with a lot of knowledge so just keep asking questions and you'll get it down.

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**kelkel** · 05-29-2018, 06:56 PM

Be sure to understand the math like mxg mentioned. It's important.
Run HCG up to 3 days prior to pct starting. Same day you inject your test is just fine.
No, 1 mg of adex will crush your estrogen level and you'll feel like crap. We need estrogen. Find another source or re-capsule it. Adex is available in liquid form from most peptide warehouses and is not expensive.
Get blood work as suggested in the First Cycle thread. It's important and you'll regret if you don't.

**drogers86** · 05-30-2018, 11:19 AM

Copy that

**drogers86** · 05-30-2018, 11:30 AM

Does adex go by a different name? None of the peptide places I've looked at have anything called "Adex" or "Arimidex " Would it be listed by its fancy technical name?

**Couchlockd** · 05-30-2018, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by drogers86

Does adex go by a different name? None of the peptide places I've looked at have anything called "Adex" or "Arimidex" Would it be listed by its fancy technical name?

anastrozole is the chemical name for Arimidex (Adex)

dump your caps, line up in quarters, and keep on a small plate take a 1\4 of the pile of powder every other day

**Chrisp83TRT** · 05-30-2018, 11:50 AM

Glad you are hear to ask questions. Just make sure that what you put into your body you are aware of. And how each AAS will effect your body and what to and not to mix together.
From what I hear winny is effective but can cause some serious joint pain and dryness and major cramping so be up to speed with what every thing you put into your body will do and how it will react With one another

**David LoPan** · 05-30-2018, 12:19 PM

HCG is around a lot of places. it is really not that hard to find. The only thing I would suggest is waiting on the Arimidex until the end of week 2. That is just me personally and there has been some debate on that subject. Arimidex is fairly potent so your initial bloodwork for your e2 levels should give you a better idea of when to start, IMO.

**Couchlockd** · 05-30-2018, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by David LoPan

HCG is around a lot of places. it is really not that hard to find. The only thing I would suggest is waiting on the Arimidex until the end of week 2. That is just me personally and there has been some debate on that subject. Arimidex is fairly potent so your initial bloodwork for your e2 levels should give you a better idea of when to start, IMO.

You should not wait that long running dbol and test together before you start anastrozole dbol is notorious for creating boobies

**Chrisp83TRT** · 05-30-2018, 01:02 PM

But me likes some boobies

**mxgregg3544** · 05-30-2018, 01:08 PM

Read more of his post. He decided to do a test only first cycle.

Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle

You should not wait that long running dbol and test together before you start anastrozole dbol is notorious for creating boobies

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**Couchlockd** · 05-30-2018, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by mxgregg3544

Read more of his post. He decided to do a test only first cycle.

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ok yes then I'd wait at least 10-14 days before AI usage

**drogers86** · 06-08-2018, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle

ok yes then I'd wait at least 10-14 days before AI usage

Im curious why you'd wait almost two weeks to start using the AI.

**drogers86** · 06-17-2018, 02:54 PM

Update: so I’ve gotten my mitts on some HCG but I’m not finding any arimidex that comes dosed at .25 mg. ALL I’m finding is the 1mg. So I guess I’ll get some of that and just chop it up into quarters

I’m also still curious why @m.hornbuckle advised me to wait 10-14 days to begin using the AI.

Thanks for all the advice so far, guys!

**Windex** · 06-17-2018, 06:36 PM

How did you determine your bodyfat%. 26% is quite high. High bodyfat means easier aromatization into estrogen. Assuming your goal is to lose weight and drop fat that is going to come 90% from your diet not from gear. I would recommend working on diet and getting the bodyfat% lower then from there doing a cycle.

**drogers86** · 06-18-2018, 12:13 AM

I did the quickie three point caliper test. I do agree that I need to work on the diet before starting the cycle. I’m not in any hurry, though.

I doubt the accuracy of the BF% but it’s in that neighborhood for sure.

**Windex** · 06-18-2018, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by drogers86

I did the quickie three point caliper test. I do agree that I need to work on the diet before starting the cycle. I’m not in any hurry, though.

I doubt the accuracy of the BF% but it’s in that neighborhood for sure.

I am the same height as you, and was once at the same weight + rough bodyfat%. I would highly recommend posting your diet in the diet&nutrition section to be reviewed and spend the next 8-10 months getting under 200 lbs and under 16% bodyfat. Then cycle at the point with Test only.

**drogers86** · 06-22-2018, 09:49 AM

Ugh, I knew in my heart that that’s a big part of what I’d have to do. Dieting has always been my weak point, which is why I’ve always been a chunky monkey.

Guess I’ll see you in a few months!

**BlakeJ** · 06-22-2018, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by drogers86

Ugh, I knew in my heart that that’s a big part of what I’d have to do. Dieting has always been my weak point, which is why I’ve always been a chunky monkey.

Guess I’ll see you in a few months!

Bodybuilding is a marathon; not a sprint brother. Glad to see that you are taking the time to ask questions, as well as listening to what these gentlemen are telling you. Too many people dive into this life without proper knowledge and end up screwing themselves. Good luck my friend..!!

**Chrisp83TRT** · 06-23-2018, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by drogers86

Ugh, I knew in my heart that that’s a big part of what I’d have to do. Dieting has always been my weak point, which is why I’ve always been a chunky monkey.

Guess I’ll see you in a few months!

Dude , the name of this game is diet diet diet ! It basically dictates how your body is going to look. You can take all the gear in the world and train like a beast but if your diet isn’t in check, I see no point. That’s my honest opinion.