Results 1 to 31 of 31
Like Tree14Likes

Thread: Feeling depressed and nostalgic all day.First tren ace cycle.HELP.

  1. #1
    Dazhy's Avatar
    Dazhy is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Mount of Olympus
    Posts
    116

    Feeling depressed and nostalgic all day.First tren ace cycle.HELP.

    Hello everyone.
    First 2 weeks all was going like a miracle , insane workouts , good feeling , so chill etc..

    but im on my 3rd week of tren ace and yestarday was the worst bday of my life.I dont know why but i call my ex crying ,i was nostalgic like never , she block me and tell me a lot of bad things and i was feeling like a fucking pussy , worse than pct.. no sleep today , anxiety over 90000 feeling nostalgic all day , crying etc.

    Im running 100eod.

    my cycle prep is:

    1-12 sus 250 per week
    1-9 tren ace 100 eod
    6-12 Winny 50ed and Epi 30ed.

    i think is a very light cycle for competing but idk
    maybe is the low test ? maybe is the progesterone?

    Any tips for the olders guys?Im 22, i know im young but im on prep mode right now and this is no joke.

    how you guys deal with this?
    Last edited by Dazhy; 06-14-2018 at 09:28 AM.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    2,584
    I know every YOLO will tell you differently but....
    350mg per week is a hefty dose of tren for your first go round.
    I recommend 200mg a week for first time use.
    500mg per week and I become a sex crazed irritable monster.

  3. #3
    hammerheart is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Surrounded by wolves
    Posts
    4,527
    Are you taking any AI?


    Tren sides are synergic with high E2, the estrogen/progesterone combo will deplete the hell of your serotonin, that's why you feel that way.

  4. #4
    tarmyg's Avatar
    tarmyg is online now Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Bangalore, India
    Posts
    5,381
    Blog Entries
    162
    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheart View Post
    Are you taking any AI?


    Tren sides are synergic with high E2, the estrogen/progesterone combo will deplete the hell of your serotonin, that's why you feel that way.
    Not seen this line of explanation before in regards to an AI and Tren . Can you elaborate?

  5. #5
    hammerheart is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Surrounded by wolves
    Posts
    4,527
    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    Not seen this line of explanation before in regards to an AI and Tren. Can you elaborate?
    Estrogen will of course come from the Test, no AI and it will jump high, that alone is not good but add high progesterone-like activity from the Tren and bad sides especially mental happens, or at least that's my experience.

  6. #6
    Dazhy's Avatar
    Dazhy is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Mount of Olympus
    Posts
    116
    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheart View Post
    Are you taking any AI?


    Tren sides are synergic with high E2, the estrogen/progesterone combo will deplete the hell of your serotonin, that's why you feel that way.
    i was using arimidex the first two weeks , but al the ''bros'' in the gym tell me with 250 sust i dont need it at all.. :/

  7. #7
    AlphaMindz's Avatar
    AlphaMindz is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Location
    Gold's gym
    Posts
    763
    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    i was using arimidex the first two weeks , but al the ''bros'' in the gym tell me with 250 sust i dont need it at all.. :/
    You're having estrogen rebound. I've had it, it sucks. You get sentimental and borderline suicidal and start crying like a crazy pregnant chick. Get that estrogen in check immediately man, and don't stop Adex cold turkey like that again cause this is what can happen.

  8. #8
    hammerheart is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Surrounded by wolves
    Posts
    4,527
    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    i was using arimidex the first two weeks , but al the ''bros'' in the gym tell me with 250 sust i dont need it at all.. :/
    Are you pinning 250mg once weekly?

  9. #9
    Chrisp83TRT's Avatar
    Chrisp83TRT is online now Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Posts
    584
    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheart View Post
    Are you taking any AI?


    Tren sides are synergic with high E2, the estrogen/progesterone combo will deplete the hell of your serotonin, that's why you feel that way.
    I literally think you may be on to something, Iíve been feeling like turds and didnít even consider my progesterone levels.

  10. #10
    hammerheart is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Surrounded by wolves
    Posts
    4,527
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT View Post
    I literally think you may be on to something, I’ve been feeling like turds and didn’t even consider my progesterone levels.
    We men have some progesterone but I was talking high doses of 19-nors not physiological levels, progesterone in men is largely understudied yet participate in overall endocrine homeostasis, myself after going on TRT I've found I need some progesterone to feel and function better.

  11. #11
    Quester's Avatar
    Quester is online now Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    In the Bluegrass
    Posts
    1,677
    20 years old?
    I'm having trouble with my environment, right now. I can't imagine how much more difficult that would be if I was 20 yrs old and on a substance that magnified it.
    If your current problems with your CPU are not enough to prevent you from doing this, perhaps you could see a psychiatrist? A psychiatrist might prescribe a serotonin enhancer (Viibryd or Brintilex) and perhaps help you address the reason why you would be willing to do this to yourself.
    Last edited by Quester; 06-14-2018 at 03:07 PM.

  12. #12
    Quester's Avatar
    Quester is online now Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    In the Bluegrass
    Posts
    1,677
    It sounds like you need a serotonin agonist.

  13. #13
    Dazhy's Avatar
    Dazhy is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Mount of Olympus
    Posts
    116
    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheart View Post
    Are you pinning 250mg once weekly?
    yes 250 per week
    monday 125 thursday 125

  14. #14
    hammerheart is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Surrounded by wolves
    Posts
    4,527
    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    yes 250 per week
    monday 125 thursday 125
    Well you might not need AI put that way, maybe your just sensitive to the thing. Try .25mg arimidex 2x weekly with pins and see if it's of relief.

    You sure your sustanon is legit?

  15. #15
    MACKATTACK's Avatar
    MACKATTACK is online now EAT, TRAIN, REST
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    The Gym or Eating
    Posts
    1,833
    I struggle with depression. It is NOT easy to deal with. Id rather have tangible pain then depression or anxiety because its something you cant change or touch per say if you know what I mean. I try to focus on something else and or stay busy.

  16. #16
    Quester's Avatar
    Quester is online now Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    In the Bluegrass
    Posts
    1,677
    My road: depression to anxiety to agitation. Its a slow road to freedom. There's no fucking way I would allow that to happen to others. But, I'm not a super hero. Please, don't flirt with things which cause you pain. Look at it like this:
    feel good in the long and short run= it is good.
    feel bad or, justify, feel awkward, feel anything other than pure good=stop and think.
    Good Luck

  17. #17
    Eduke93's Avatar
    Eduke93 is offline Member
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Location
    London
    Posts
    841
    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    Hello everyone.
    First 2 weeks all was going like a miracle , insane workouts , good feeling , so chill etc..

    but im on my 3rd week of tren ace and yestarday was the worst bday of my life.I dont know why but i call my ex crying ,i was nostalgic like never , she block me and tell me a lot of bad things and i was feeling like a fucking pussy , worse than pct.. no sleep today , anxiety over 90000 feeling nostalgic all day , crying etc.

    Im running 100eod.

    my cycle prep is:

    1-12 sus 250 per week
    1-9 tren ace 100 eod
    6-12 Winny 50ed and Epi 30ed.

    i think is a very light cycle for competing but idk
    maybe is the low test ? maybe is the progesterone?

    Any tips for the olders guys?Im 22, i know im young but im on prep mode right now and this is no joke.

    how you guys deal with this?
    These drugs play with your hormones, my extreme when on tren is a big a lack of empathy and aggressiveness, yours it too much empathyÖ Its like alcohol some people drink it and turn into wankers, some people drink it and turn all soppy and start crying and shit

    Your progesterone or Estrogen could be out of whack so definitely see to this before you decide your next move, are you using caber/ai?

    (Sorry I havenít read the below answers, someone may have already suggested this)

  18. #18
    kelkel's Avatar
    kelkel is offline HRT Specialist ~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~ No Source Checks
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    East Coast Dungeon
    Posts
    26,850
    You didn't state how much adex you used the first two weeks. That said, my guess it's a combination of lowering your E to low in combination with normal tren sides. Agree with DD above to drop the tren down (it'll still be enough) and add in low dose caber at .25 x 2 per week. Ride it out.
    -*- NO SOURCE CHECKS -*-

  19. #19
    < <Samson> >'s Avatar
    < <Samson> > is online now Swollen
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    AZ Side
    Posts
    9,709
    Blog Entries
    1
    Shit,

    I ran tren ace close into the one gram a week territory for a few months

    Sounds about right - specially if u r way young



    You're in for a bumpy ride, homeslice





    Now - I do a much better job keeping my "feelings" in check



    Shit - I dunno if I have n e left - oh, well

  20. #20
    Dazhy's Avatar
    Dazhy is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Mount of Olympus
    Posts
    116
    Thx guys ill starth with adex right now..!! feeling better tbh , looks like strogen rebound.

    Any suggestion for dosage?

    0.5 mon/thurs is enought?

    thanks

  21. #21
    Dazhy's Avatar
    Dazhy is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Mount of Olympus
    Posts
    116
    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheart View Post
    Well you might not need AI put that way, maybe your just sensitive to the thing. Try .25mg arimidex 2x weekly with pins and see if it's of relief.

    You sure your sustanon is legit?
    yeah mate , all products are STOA LABS and quality is goood goood

  22. #22
    kbunyan is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2018
    Posts
    98
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    You're having estrogen rebound. I've had it, it sucks. You get sentimental and borderline suicidal and start crying like a crazy pregnant chick. Get that estrogen in check immediately man, and don't stop Adex cold turkey like that again cause this is what can happen.
    God I laughed sooo hard at that.

  23. #23
    hammerheart is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Surrounded by wolves
    Posts
    4,527
    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    Thx guys ill starth with adex right now..!! feeling better tbh , looks like strogen rebound.

    Any suggestion for dosage?

    0.5 mon/thurs is enought?

    thanks
    Wait there, as kelkel suggested there's also chance you actually killed your estrogen - the result can be quite the same.

    How much arimidex did you use at start, and when did these psychological sides set in?

  24. #24
    Dazhy's Avatar
    Dazhy is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Mount of Olympus
    Posts
    116
    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheart View Post
    Wait there, as kelkel suggested there's also chance you actually killed your estrogen - the result can be quite the same.

    How much arimidex did you use at start, and when did these psychological sides set in?
    was taking 1mg per week , 0,5 mon /thurs mate.
    should i go for the same dose or up a little? maybe mon-wed-fri

    Thanks dude

  25. #25
    kelkel's Avatar
    kelkel is offline HRT Specialist ~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~ No Source Checks
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    East Coast Dungeon
    Posts
    26,850
    You're not listening. You need less adex or possibly none at all. The most you could possibly need would probably be .25 x 2 per week the day of each injection. Your prior 1 mg per week dose is actually more than recommended for a 500 mg cycle.

    Forget estrogen rebound. Internet bullshit.
    -*- NO SOURCE CHECKS -*-

  26. #26
    Dazhy's Avatar
    Dazhy is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Mount of Olympus
    Posts
    116
    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    You're not listening. You need less adex or possibly none at all. The most you could possibly need would probably be .25 x 2 per week the day of each injection. Your prior 1 mg per week dose is actually more than recommended for a 500 mg cycle.

    Forget estrogen rebound. Internet bullshit.
    uummm im really confused rnn! :/

    What do you think about add some proviron 50mg ed ?

  27. #27
    kelkel's Avatar
    kelkel is offline HRT Specialist ~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~ No Source Checks
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    East Coast Dungeon
    Posts
    26,850
    What is the confusion? You're running a low amount of test. Many guys on that amount won't consider an AI. Keeping your E2 a little higher is always better than lower as long as you're not gyno sensitive. I'd run low dose caber as suggested. Nothing wrong with proviron but it you're looking at it as a substitute for an AI it's weak at best. Just a DHT.
    -*- NO SOURCE CHECKS -*-

  28. #28
    hammerheart is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Surrounded by wolves
    Posts
    4,527
    Honestly if you are feeling better just keep what your doing, and perhaps just lower the Tren a bit and add caber.

  29. #29
    Dazhy's Avatar
    Dazhy is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Mount of Olympus
    Posts
    116
    ok the problem here is : i talk with my coach and he tell me is normal , but he want to kill my strogen levels the final week of the prep with letrozole for the hardness.

    i dont like this , because i now kill strogen is = depression , bad mood , etc but this protocol is normal the last days before the comp
    Last edited by Dazhy; 06-17-2018 at 11:23 AM.

  30. #30
    Windex's Avatar
    Windex is online now MONITOR
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Arctic Circle
    Posts
    2,232
    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    ok the problem here is : i talk with my coach and he tell me is normal , but he want to kill my strogen levels the final week of the prep with letrozole for the hardness.

    i dont like this , because i now kill strogen is = depression , bad mood , etc but this protocol is normal the last days before the comp
    All you have to do is listen to Kelkel's advice it's not complicated.

  31. #31
    fiddlesticks is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    63
    That's a very big and unneeded tren dose.. try 20-30ed as opposed to 100 eod. Less overall and much more stable levels. If you aren't getting results it absolutely is not because your tren isn't high enough

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •