1st cycle test only, nice and simple

[boxinggsxr]

Ok everyone I'm not sure if i should post this here or in the members cycle results section. It's my 1st cycle and I wanted to take it slow as the site recommended but log it as well.
I'm currently 227lbs 31yrold, powerlifting { squat-573 bench-347 deadlift-518} For the nutrition part my diet is very clean (following the dolce diet for mma). So i decided to try out a test cycle and compete back at 220 or 198lbs which both pretty easy for me to make. Training 4 days a week, conditioning 2-4 days, sport 3 days a wk.

12 weeks of test cyp (i have enough for the 15 weeks not sure if I should use it all or stop at 13 weeks and save the last bit)
2x 300mg a week test cyp
0.5 arimidex eod
2 weeks after last pin i'll run the novladex

anything else i'm missing or advice let me know. Thank you for the help in advice. glad to be on here and learn from you guys

[Windex]

Ok everyone I'm not sure if i should post this here or in the members cycle results section. It's my 1st cycle and I wanted to take it slow as the site recommended but log it as well.
I'm currently 227lbs 31yrold, powerlifting { squat-573 bench-347 deadlift-518} For the nutrition part my diet is very clean (following the dolce diet for mma). So i decided to try out a test cycle and compete back at 220 or 198lbs which both pretty easy for me to make. Training 4 days a week, conditioning 2-4 days, sport 3 days a wk.

13 -15weeks of test cyp (i have enough for the 15 weeks not sure if I should use it all or stop at 13 weeks and save the last bit)
2x 300mg a week test cyp
0.5 arimidex eod
2 weeks after last pin i'll run the novladex

anything else i'm missing or advice let me know. Thank you for the help in advice. glad to be on here and learn from you guys

12, 15, or 16 weeks of Test Cyp not 13 or 14. Also, it is a good idea to have 1 vial more than what you need. Better to have extra and not need it, then need it and not have it.

You are missing HCG on cycle.

What is your bodyfat % ?

Optional, but highly recommended: Bloodwork before cycle (Free/Bio Available Test, Thyroid, FSH, LH, E2) and bloodwork 4-8 weeks after PCT. Reminder: Bloodwork should be consistent, apples to apples. Ie - if before cycle you did it Monday morning, post cycle should be done monday morning as well.

Post your full diet, including full meal breakdown. Most people think they have a good diet but often leaves a lot to be desired. Diet determines results.

What was your last dose of Test on your last cycle? If it was 4-500mg/week you could easily keep it at the same dose. More gear isn't always better.

[boxinggsxr]

This is my 1st test cycle so I never took any before. I'm following the one posted except that since my vial has 300mg/ml i'll do 600 a week instead of the 500(becuase i dont want to screw up the measurement mostly). https://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Cycle.php

Ok great advice I'll stick with the 12 weeks and have some left over. I have no clue how I missed that (HCG). I'll order some I was reading something about it not being needed for test only cycles or atleast during the cycle but more towards the end when trying to stimulate natural test production {What are your thoughts?}.

Today I did the inbody and it showed me at 18% bf at 228lbs. I used to walk around at 275 but felt like shit so cut weight down got stronger and now im here. not sure how accurate it is. For my meal plan this is it
meal 1: 1/3 cup oat bran, 2tbspn hemp seeds, 2 tbspn chia seeds, 1/4 cup raisins, 2tbsp almond butter, 3/4cp blueberries, drizzled 1/8 tspn honey, 1/8 teaspn cinammon. 8oz black coffee with 1 teaspoon coconut oil
Meal 2- 1 cp blueberries, 25g protein, 1 coconut water, 1/2 avocado
Meal 3- 4 eggs, 1/4 red onion, 1/4 red bell pepper, 1 handful spinach, 1 pear, 1 tspn avocado oil, 1 tspn cocnut oil w 8oz black coffee
meal 4- 25g protein, 1 cocnut water, 1 cp blue berries, 1 orange, 1/3 avocado
meal 5- 8 oz chicken breast, 1 cup spinach, 1 cup asparagus, 1/4 red bell pepper, 2 pieces garlic, 2 teaspoon avocado oil
meal 6- 1 apple, 2 tbsp almond butter, .5 oz dark chocolate 85% cacao

[Mr.BB]

Good read for someone doing a 1st cycle: My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[Dazhy]

i will add an oral kickstar like dbol , winstrol , superdrol etc or you will feel natty till week 6-7 with cyp

[Windex]

This is my 1st test cycle so I never took any before. I'm following the one posted except that since my vial has 300mg/ml i'll do 600 a week instead of the 500(becuase i dont want to screw up the measurement mostly). https://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Cycle.php

Ok great advice I'll stick with the 12 weeks and have some left over. I have no clue how I missed that (HCG). I'll order some I was reading something about it not being needed for test only cycles or atleast during the cycle but more towards the end when trying to stimulate natural test production {What are your thoughts?}.

Today I did the inbody and it showed me at 18% bf at 228lbs. I used to walk around at 275 but felt like shit so cut weight down got stronger and now im here. not sure how accurate it is. For my meal plan this is it
meal 1: 1/3 cup oat bran, 2tbspn hemp seeds, 2 tbspn chia seeds, 1/4 cup raisins, 2tbsp almond butter, 3/4cp blueberries, drizzled 1/8 tspn honey, 1/8 teaspn cinammon. 8oz black coffee with 1 teaspoon coconut oil
Meal 2- 1 cp blueberries, 25g protein, 1 coconut water, 1/2 avocado
Meal 3- 4 eggs, 1/4 red onion, 1/4 red bell pepper, 1 handful spinach, 1 pear, 1 tspn avocado oil, 1 tspn cocnut oil w 8oz black coffee
meal 4- 25g protein, 1 cocnut water, 1 cp blue berries, 1 orange, 1/3 avocado
meal 5- 8 oz chicken breast, 1 cup spinach, 1 cup asparagus, 1/4 red bell pepper, 2 pieces garlic, 2 teaspoon avocado oil
meal 6- 1 apple, 2 tbsp almond butter, .5 oz dark chocolate 85% cacao

You don't need 600mg per week. Most common mistake people make is using too much gear. More gear means more side effects, like higher estrogen and aromatization. Steroids also have a ceiling and diminishing returns. If you start at 600, then next time you will want 700 and so on.

At 300mg/ml you could easily do 0.75 ml twice per week which would give you 450mg/week, perfectly reasonably for a first cycle.

HCG on cycle always

To be honest your diet is mediocre If "25g protein" means a scoop of protein powder that needs to be replaced by real food. I only see one meal that has meat and only one egg meal. One meal with protein powder isn't the end of the world but almost all your protein is from incomplete sources. You also have way too much sugar from the fruit and honey.

Go to the diet section, read the TDEE sticky and cutting sticky. Fix your diet - take 12 weeks on the improved diet to drop another 2-3% body fat and some lbs, then cycle.

[Mr.BB]

i will add an oral kickstar like dbol , winstrol , superdrol etc or you will feel natty till week 6-7 with cyp

This is not true. I feel higher testosterone in the 1st few days.

The most noticeable changes will come in 3-4 weeks, not 7 weeks.

[boxinggsxr]

Good read for someone doing a 1st cycle: My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

I read it but clearly didn't read it enough times {Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)} since I missed that part.
I initially got the idea of test only from https://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Cycle.php since its my first time using test. And just to my luck my buddy said his guy doesn't have hcg and can't get it. I'll definetly want to get the clomid to stack with nolvadex for the pct. How bad will it affect me not having the HCG during the cycle since I've only taken one 300mg injection? thanks for the link

[boxinggsxr]

i will add an oral kickstar like dbol , winstrol , superdrol etc or you will feel natty till week 6-7 with cyp

I want to see how I react with test only first before adding stuff in. I'm not expecting anything huge just to keep strength and cut more for mma and powerlifting. And to get my feet wet with a cycle.

[boxinggsxr]

You don't need 600mg per week. Most common mistake people make is using too much gear. More gear means more side effects, like higher estrogen and aromatization. Steroids also have a ceiling and diminishing returns. If you start at 600, then next time you will want 700 and so on.

At 300mg/ml you could easily do 0.75 ml twice per week which would give you 450mg/week, perfectly reasonably for a first cycle.

HCG on cycle always

To be honest your diet is mediocre If "25g protein" means a scoop of protein powder that needs to be replaced by real food. I only see one meal that has meat and only one egg meal. One meal with protein powder isn't the end of the world but almost all your protein is from incomplete sources. You also have way too much sugar from the fruit and honey.

Go to the diet section, read the TDEE sticky and cutting sticky. Fix your diet - take 12 weeks on the improved diet to drop another 2-3% body fat and some lbs, then cycle.

I chose 600 per week because easy math and was worried about mixing the lines up on the syringe. would you recommend I do the rest at .75? Would you advise just not doing the 2nd injection until the hcg comes in?

The diet is from a RD/CSSD so that I can cut bodyfat but still have strength levels up. I agree, alot of the protein is from plants and I could defintely add in more but its a professional written plan. Naturally following it I cut to 218 then if i add 30min of liss in am i can get to 205. Do you think I should replace one of the snack shakes for chicken or fish perhaps? I'm not one of those people that treat their diet like a religon (organic is the only way to go) but I do feel better with natural and nongmo foods (especially with gerd & Ibs) Thanks for the advice

[Windex]

Again, more gear means more side effects, there's no reason to start at 600mg/week. Do the 0.75 like I suggested

First rule of cycling is always have everything on hand before starting, no matter what.

To be blunt, most dietitians, "professional diets", and nutritionists have no idea what they are doing from a bodybuilding perspective. I would argue the majority of the vets and staff here have twice the knowledge with half the "paper credentials" of any dietician.

You need to read the diet stickies, fix your meals, run a proper diet. Use that time to get all the correct supplies then worry about cycling.

Diet determines results not gear. You may as well throw your money and gear in the garbage eating like that.

[cousinmuscles]

This is my 1st test cycle so I never took any before. I'm following the one posted except that since my vial has 300mg/ml i'll do 600 a week instead of the 500(becuase i dont want to screw up the measurement mostly). https://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Cycle.php

Ok great advice I'll stick with the 12 weeks and have some left over. I have no clue how I missed that (HCG). I'll order some I was reading something about it not being needed for test only cycles or atleast during the cycle but more towards the end when trying to stimulate natural test production {What are your thoughts?}.

Today I did the inbody and it showed me at 18% bf at 228lbs. I used to walk around at 275 but felt like shit so cut weight down got stronger and now im here. not sure how accurate it is. For my meal plan this is it
meal 1: 1/3 cup oat bran, 2tbspn hemp seeds, 2 tbspn chia seeds, 1/4 cup raisins, 2tbsp almond butter, 3/4cp blueberries, drizzled 1/8 tspn honey, 1/8 teaspn cinammon. 8oz black coffee with 1 teaspoon coconut oil
Meal 2- 1 cp blueberries, 25g protein, 1 coconut water, 1/2 avocado
Meal 3- 4 eggs, 1/4 red onion, 1/4 red bell pepper, 1 handful spinach, 1 pear, 1 tspn avocado oil, 1 tspn cocnut oil w 8oz black coffee
meal 4- 25g protein, 1 cocnut water, 1 cp blue berries, 1 orange, 1/3 avocado
meal 5- 8 oz chicken breast, 1 cup spinach, 1 cup asparagus, 1/4 red bell pepper, 2 pieces garlic, 2 teaspoon avocado oil
meal 6- 1 apple, 2 tbsp almond butter, .5 oz dark chocolate 85% cacao

Your diet has lots of healthy foods but hard to make out the macros and I'm guessing here, that isn't enough calories. What are your total macros and as Windex said what is 25g protein?

Good lifts btw!

[MoTrysAnabolics]

I've recently started a test only cycle about two weeks ago but I'm not doing as well as you guys all I've gained so far is a bruised ass to the point where I can't even sit down properly and walk crippled and can't even go to the gym

[boxinggsxr]

Again, more gear means more side effects, there's no reason to start at 600mg/week. Do the 0.75 like I suggested

First rule of cycling is always have everything on hand before starting, no matter what.

To be blunt, most dietitians, "professional diets", and nutritionists have no idea what they are doing from a bodybuilding perspective. I would argue the majority of the vets and staff here have twice the knowledge with half the "paper credentials" of any dietician.

You need to read the diet stickies, fix your meals, run a proper diet. Use that time to get all the correct supplies then worry about cycling.

Diet determines results not gear. You may as well throw your money and gear in the garbage eating like that.

ok more side effects makes sense I'll stay at that .75. (sounds better since its the range I originally wanted to be at 500mg a week)

It's honestly a dumb mistake and I can't believe my "buddy" didn't say anything other than "na i didnt use that you dont need it". I appreciate the help. so since I took the first injection should I stop completly until i get the hcg in? or continue at .75 and use the hcg when it comes in? I really screwed up but thought I had everything.

I couldn't agree any more most these people in my area have no clue what they are doing (training or nutrition). The diet is from 4x ufc trainer of the year, its for weight loss/mma training (not bodybuilding) but Im defintely interested about changing some stuff with it and adding more in. I believe total calories i'm at is 3200 right now. I'll brake it up and post it macro break down. Honestly when i've done it before I just made sure micro levels were 100%

[boxinggsxr]

Your diet has lots of healthy foods but hard to make out the macros and I'm guessing here, that isn't enough calories. What are your total macros and as Windex said what is 25g protein?

Good lifts btw!

25-30g protein is a scoop of protein powder (i use grass fed protein from onnit). I'll calculate it out today and post it. Eating is a quick fix since my wife preps & cooks most of my stuff. I also switch out chicken for grassfed steak from whole foods. Once I see the numbers today I was thinking of adding salmon or sirlion or quinoa. Last time I was a good bf% switching eggs to quinoa.

Thanks I'm looking at breaking 600 soon. Powerlifting is either really fun or i might just like the ammonia, not sure yet.

[boxinggsxr]

I've recently started a test only cycle about two weeks ago but I'm not doing as well as you guys all I've gained so far is a bruised ass to the point where I can't even sit down properly and walk crippled and can't even go to the gym

I literally just started using it. Is that common?

[boxinggsxr]

ok i found some hcg is it ok to add it in this next week (when i'll get it) and still take thursdays inj (since i already did one monday)? Also got the clomid coming in. I really appreciate the help everyone

[Mr.BB]

I literally just started using it. Is that common?

Yes, its normal in 19 year olds using gear

[Windex]

ok more side effects makes sense I'll stay at that .75. (sounds better since its the range I originally wanted to be at 500mg a week)

It's honestly a dumb mistake and I can't believe my "buddy" didn't say anything other than "na i didnt use that you dont need it". I appreciate the help. so since I took the first injection should I stop completly until i get the hcg in? or continue at .75 and use the hcg when it comes in? I really screwed up but thought I had everything.

I couldn't agree any more most these people in my area have no clue what they are doing (training or nutrition). The diet is from 4x ufc trainer of the year, its for weight loss/mma training (not bodybuilding) but Im defintely interested about changing some stuff with it and adding more in. I believe total calories i'm at is 3200 right now. I'll brake it up and post it macro break down. Honestly when i've done it before I just made sure micro levels were 100%

Like I said above you need to read the diet stickies, improve your diet, and take 12 or so weeks to prime your body, monitor how you react to the different level of nutrition. In the lieu time you will have the opportunity to get everything you need.

After that you could cycle. Waste of your own time and money to do it now in my opinion.

[boxinggsxr]

For Hcg 250-350mg 2x week do you guys do that the same day as pinning test?

Where do you guys find it easier to pin in the mid quad (25g 5/8) vs top outside of glute (25g 1 1/2) Those are the sizes I have? I've gone through the newb stickies and it'd be alot easier if there was a check list (kinda like a wedding planner one) to make sure we new joins dont make dumb mistakes.

[Windex]

Pinning is all personal preference - I use quads because I'm too wide to reach glutes properly.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I'm currently 227lbs 31yrold, powerlifting { squat-573 bench-347 deadlift-518} For the nutrition part my diet is very clean (following the dolce diet for mma). So i decided to try out a test cycle and compete back at 220 or 198lbs which both pretty easy for me to make.

if you are 227 now, you will easily be 240 by the end of your cycle...
good luck competing at 198.

not trying to be harsh....

and if you are going to cut on your first cycle to make 198, I think that would be a massive waste of a cycle.

I powerlift and I personally feel like too many low-medium level powerlifters cut too much weight trying to get to a lower weight class.
Unless you are within 5-8lbs of a weight class, don't cut unless you are going to try to set some sort of record.

[boxinggsxr]

if you are 227 now, you will easily be 240 by the end of your cycle...
good luck competing at 198.

not trying to be harsh....

and if you are going to cut on your first cycle to make 198, I think that would be a massive waste of a cycle.

I powerlift and I personally feel like too many low-medium level powerlifters cut too much weight trying to get to a lower weight class.
Unless you are within 5-8lbs of a weight class, don't cut unless you are going to try to set some sort of record.

Ya I made that mistake once cut 30lbs the week before for state record and felt like shit, never again. For powerlifting I stick with 220 (interested in 242 but not 275 yet) but mma/boxing I cut to 198 and bjj I compete 218, 208, and 200+. I walk around 240s if i eat anything and everything I get up to 260-70s. Strongman I compete at <220

I mostly wanted to run the cycle to recover more from training, get stronger and see how I feel on a cycle to determine if I could manage the cycle stacking something with it.