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    Coffeehead is offline Associate Member
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    Help me build my 4th Cycle - Test & Tren

    Going to dip my toe in the waters of Tren near the end of the summer.

    I'd prefer to pin less frequently, but Ive also heard mixed reviews on Tren A vs. Tren E in regards to which have harsher sides. My plan was to run this cycle for 12 weeks (8 weeks of Tren) and lean bulk a caloric surplus of about 300-400 calories.

    About Me:

    Age: 33
    Ht: 6'0"
    Wt: 200lbs
    BF: 13%
    Training History: 8 years
    Cycle History: 3 cycles (Test/Var, Test/NPP, Test/NPP/Tbol)
    Gyno Issues: I've tried to protect against Gyno, but I've been unsuccessful and plan to get surgery to remove lumps and fatty mass accumulated under my left nipple after this cycle.
    Injury History: ACL reconstructed (legs need work because of this) Any AI usually dries up my joints and makes my surgically repaired knee ache, which doesn't go well with hitting legs hard.

    Because of my issues with my knee (ACL) can I skip the AI and just use Nolva or Ralox?

    I won't start the cycle until I'm about 190lbs or 10%(ish), so roughly mid-August if I stay on course this summer. I need help dosing my Test and Tren. Should I keep test lower since I'm gyno prone, or should I keep it slightly higher than tren?

    How high should I start Tren E (or Tren A if advised to use this instead)??

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffeehead View Post
    Going to dip my toe in the waters of Tren near the end of the summer.

    I'd prefer to pin less frequently, but Ive also heard mixed reviews on Tren A vs. Tren E in regards to which have harsher sides. My plan was to run this cycle for 12 weeks (8 weeks of Tren) and lean bulk a caloric surplus of about 300-400 calories.

    About Me:

    Age: 33
    Ht: 6'0"
    Wt: 200lbs
    BF: 13%
    Training History: 8 years
    Cycle History: 3 cycles (Test/Var, Test/NPP, Test/NPP/Tbol)
    Gyno Issues: I've tried to protect against Gyno, but I've been unsuccessful and plan to get surgery to remove lumps and fatty mass accumulated under my left nipple after this cycle.
    Injury History: ACL reconstructed (legs need work because of this) Any AI usually dries up my joints and makes my surgically repaired knee ache, which doesn't go well with hitting legs hard.

    Because of my issues with my knee (ACL) can I skip the AI and just use Nolva or Ralox?

    I won't start the cycle until I'm about 190lbs or 10%(ish), so roughly mid-August if I stay on course this summer. I need help dosing my Test and Tren. Should I keep test lower since I'm gyno prone, or should I keep it slightly higher than tren?

    How high should I start Tren E (or Tren A if advised to use this instead)??

    Thanks!
    What doses were your previous cycle ?

    You can't run Tren E for 8 weeks you'd have to choose Tren Ace for 8 weeks or so Tren E for 12 weeks. The advantage to Ace is shorter half life. Gets into your system and out of your system faster so easier to manage side effects. Speaking from Canada, Tren Ace is more expensive. Enanthate i would assume to be cheaper and pinning less frequency (2x per week rather than EOD)

    You mention getting gyno removed "after this cycle" - are you on a cycle right now or implying after your next cycle to have it removed?

    If you are on a cycle now then cycling again in August doesn't make much sense to me. Are you on TRT?


    I would make controlling gyno priority #1 - get the surgery, recover, get the ducks in a row for a month or two after surgery. Asssess then from there

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    I would run Test @ 300mg/wk since you're gyno prone, and run the Tren @ 200mg/wk to 300mg/wk. Any more than that I tend to feel harsher sides. You still need an AI, HCG , and caber.

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    As someone new to Tren , is there any reason why I should chose Tren Ace over Tren E, or vice versa?

    Ace gets out of your system quicker, but I hear trensomnia and cough are much less of a problem with Tren E. Not sure which direction to go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    What doses were your previous cycle ?

    You can't run Tren E for 8 weeks you'd have to choose Tren Ace for 8 weeks or so Tren E for 12 weeks. The advantage to Ace is shorter half life. Gets into your system and out of your system faster so easier to manage side effects. Speaking from Canada, Tren Ace is more expensive. Enanthate i would assume to be cheaper and pinning less frequency (2x per week rather than EOD)

    You mention getting gyno removed "after this cycle" - are you on a cycle right now or implying after your next cycle to have it removed?

    If you are on a cycle now then cycling again in August doesn't make much sense to me. Are you on TRT?


    I would make controlling gyno priority #1 - get the surgery, recover, get the ducks in a row for a month or two after surgery. Asssess then from there
    Not currently on cycle. I haven't been on cycle since early 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffeehead View Post
    As someone new to Tren , is there any reason why I should chose Tren Ace over Tren E, or vice versa?

    Ace gets out of your system quicker, but I hear trensomnia and cough are much less of a problem with Tren E. Not sure which direction to go...
    Bump. Any help on whether I should go Tren E or Tren A would be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffeehead View Post
    As someone new to Tren , is there any reason why I should chose Tren Ace over Tren E, or vice versa?

    Ace gets out of your system quicker, but I hear trensomnia and cough are much less of a problem with Tren E. Not sure which direction to go...
    I would run Tren Ace on your first run. It's a shorter cycle and you can get in and quicker with the Tren sides. The Tren sides are not pleasant and the shorter the sides the better.

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    On more question if you have the time...

    What about adding masteron into the stack? I've been reading a lot that Mast should be added to Tren stacks to increase free test and combat estrogen/prolactin sides. Any truth to this?

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    Tren A 80mg/d and Test P 60/mg was my 4th cycle. I ran it for 10 weeks, and it was great, had no sides to speak off.
    Dont know about your gyno, probably best get surgery first, but if you have to wait i would keep the dosage in the low range like mentioned above.
    Last edited by mrthai; 08-01-2018 at 12:06 PM.

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