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    Oral steroid followed by Testosterone

    Hello guys, I would really appreciate the advise on a few questions about a cycle.

    If someone has been taking an Oral only Steroid Cycle (e.g. Dbol ) for 4 weeks but realizes it was a bad choice and decides to take a Testosterone E cycle for 10-12 weeks (500mg/week) immediately after that, would that be OK? Should he stop the oral and go straight to PCT or do the Test E cycle 10-12 weeks followed by PCT? What would you suggest.

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    Well that 12 week test e cycle will be more like a 16 week cycle because you were surpressed while using dbol . Which is a long cycle but not unheard of.

    Id probably tell the person to stop the oral, do a pct, and then get bloodwork a few months later to baseline everything. If someone is foolish enough to do dbol only, then they are not ready to inject either. This person needs to pump the brakes and realize what they are getting into and do more research. Its more than just “is this unhealthy?”

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    You will typically be advised to complete PCT and then run the Test cycle after 4 weeks off.

    My advise will be based on your age and your natural Test levels. If you're over 25 and your levels are under 400 then I would personally run the Test at 500mg/week and then stay on at 250mg/week after cycle.

    You're either in or you're out man. Why are you popping Dbol anyway? Trying to look a little bigger in your shirt and someone told you that Dbol will get you jacked quick? What is your purpose for taking it is my question?

    What do you think the long term outcome is going to be? Do you think some pics of you at the beach holding 10 lbs of water weight are gonna change your life? Smarten up bro and plan this shit out. And have a reason for getting into this life other than wanting to put on some quick sloppy size with complete disregard for the TRT you're VERY likely going to end up needing.

    *I'm not trying to be a dick but god damn I wanna knock some sense into these young bucks sometimes!

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    ^^Well said Octane
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    You will typically be advised to complete PCT and then run the Test cycle after 4 weeks off.

    My advise will be based on your age and your natural Test levels. If you're over 25 and your levels are under 400 then I would personally run the Test at 500mg/week and then stay on at 250mg/week after cycle.

    You're either in or you're out man. Why are you popping Dbol anyway? Trying to look a little bigger in your shirt and someone told you that Dbol will get you jacked quick? What is your purpose for taking it is my question?

    What do you think the long term outcome is going to be? Do you think some pics of you at the beach holding 10 lbs of water weight are gonna change your life? Smarten up bro and plan this shit out. And have a reason for getting into this life other than wanting to put on some quick sloppy size with complete disregard for the TRT you're VERY likely going to end up needing.

    *I'm not trying to be a dick but god damn I wanna knock some sense into these young bucks sometimes!
    That wasn't so good advice.

    TRT is a lifelong decision and is not something you jump on because your test levels were under 400, you need to have the symptoms of it first and have a doctor prescribed you TRT (and assess whether there is something else causing your problems first).

    250mg is also an unhealthy high dose for TRT which will lead to several problems down the road.

    Not having access to pharmaceutical grade testosterone /a prescription is a reckless way of doing things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.L View Post
    Hello guys, I would really appreciate the advise on a few questions about a cycle.

    If someone has been taking an Oral only Steroid Cycle (e.g. Dbol ) for 4 weeks but realizes it was a bad choice and decides to take a Testosterone E cycle for 10-12 weeks (500mg/week) immediately after that, would that be OK? Should he stop the oral and go straight to PCT or do the Test E cycle 10-12 weeks followed by PCT? What would you suggest.

    Thanks
    If you're going to run a testosterone cycle you'll need to have some things in order first. Do you have an AI, HCG , PCT (clomid and nolva) at hand? Do you know your hematocrit levels? Read this thread thoroughly before jumping on a cycle https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    That wasn't so good advice.

    TRT is a lifelong decision and is not something you jump on because your test levels were under 400, you need to have the symptoms of it first and have a doctor prescribed you TRT (and assess whether there is something else causing your problems first).

    250mg is also an unhealthy high dose for TRT which will lead to several problems down the road.

    Not having access to pharmaceutical grade testosterone/a prescription is a reckless way of doing things.
    Fair enough brother but that's why I say "what I would personally do"

    I completely agree that getting on TRT is a life long decision and shouldn't be taken lightly. That's exactly why I stress it so much with young guys dabbling with steroids to make some quick fat and water gains in order to fill out their shirt. I'm trying to make them aware of the fact that if you do steroids it's inevitable to need hormone replacement therapy at some point.

    I just want to make it clear to a kid popping dbol that there's a very good chance he will end up on trt if he wants to play with steroids. I don't think that's a bad impression to give young bucks, especially cause it's true.

    I've said many times I'm not a doctor, scientist, or anything else that qualifies me over anyone else giving advice. For me personally, being under 400 is not acceptable. I don't have vitality in the 300 range or less...For others they may be ok with being average or possibly even low...Sometimes there are health reasons for that and that's fine. I'm referring to being in an optimal state for making gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    Fair enough brother but that's why I say "what I would personally do"

    I completely agree that getting on TRT is a life long decision and shouldn't be taken lightly. That's exactly why I stress it so much with young guys dabbling with steroids to make some quick fat and water gains in order to fill out their shirt. I'm trying to make them aware of the fact that if you do steroids it's inevitable to need hormone replacement therapy at some point.

    I just want to make it clear to a kid popping dbol that there's a very good chance he will end up on trt if he wants to play with steroids. I don't think that's a bad impression to give young bucks, especially cause it's true.

    I've said many times I'm not a doctor, scientist, or anything else that qualifies me over anyone else giving advice. For me personally, being under 400 is not acceptable. I don't have vitality in the 300 range or less...For others they may be ok with being average or possibly even low...Sometimes there are health reasons for that and that's fine. I'm referring to being in an optimal state for making gains.
    Many people do lots and lots of cycle and never need TRT.

    Apart from that, you have the option of being considerate and not just expressing thoughts, because of how it can impact others when you give it as advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    Many people do lots and lots of cycle and never need TRT.

    Apart from that, you have the option of being considerate and not just expressing thoughts, because of how it can impact others when you give it as advice.
    We will have to agree to disagree on that because my experience shows otherwise.

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    And honestly Cousin if we're talking about sending the right message then what kind of message are you sending by making that statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    We will have to agree to disagree on that because my experience shows otherwise.
    Yes you are expressing your thoughts from only your own experiences, what you experienced may not be what someone else will, and what decision you made may not be the best decision from someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
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    Haha ok the wise one has spoken. You can't argue with those legs lmao!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    Yes you are expressing your thoughts from only your own experiences, what you experienced may not be what someone else will, and what decision you made may not be the best decision from someone else.
    My friend, do you want me to not express my view point on things..?

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    Ok, some of you say running PCT would be the best choice.

    What if the person runs Test E only for 8 weeks instead of 12 weeks after the 1 month oral only. Is it worth it or not? Has anyone done this before or something similar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    You will typically be advised to complete PCT and then run the Test cycle after 4 weeks off.

    My advise will be based on your age and your natural Test levels. If you're over 25 and your levels are under 400 then I would personally run the Test at 500mg/week and then stay on at 250mg/week after cycle.

    You're either in or you're out man. Why are you popping Dbol anyway? Trying to look a little bigger in your shirt and someone told you that Dbol will get you jacked quick? What is your purpose for taking it is my question?

    What do you think the long term outcome is going to be? Do you think some pics of you at the beach holding 10 lbs of water weight are gonna change your life? Smarten up bro and plan this shit out. And have a reason for getting into this life other than wanting to put on some quick sloppy size with complete disregard for the TRT you're VERY likely going to end up needing.

    *I'm not trying to be a dick but god damn I wanna knock some sense into these young bucks sometimes!
    Relax kid. I never said I was taking Dbol, so next time stick to answering the question or don't bother.

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    Ok, some of you say running PCT would be the best choice.

    What if the person runs Test E only for 8 weeks instead of 12 weeks after the 1 month oral only. Is it worth it or not? Has anyone done this before or something similar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.L View Post
    Ok, some of you say running PCT would be the best choice.

    What if the person runs Test E only for 8 weeks instead of 12 weeks after the 1 month oral only. Is it worth it or not? Has anyone done this before or something similar?
    Test E for 8 weeks is a complete waste. Why doesn't "this person" make their own account here? The simple answer is exactly as Cousin said. PCT, and education are the priority. Someone who decided to do dbol only has no clue what's going on and shouldn't be using gear in any capacity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.L View Post
    Relax kid. I never said I was taking Dbol, so next time stick to answering the question or don't bother.
    Your original post:

    If someone has been taking an Oral only Steroid Cycle (e.g. Dbol ) for 4 weeks but realizes it was a bad choice and decides to take a Testosterone E cycle for 10-12 weeks (500mg/week) immediately after that, would that be OK? Should he stop the oral and go straight to PCT or do the Test E cycle 10-12 weeks followed by PCT? What would you suggest.

    Leads the reader to the conclusion that you or someone has been taking dbol for 4 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    Your original post:

    If someone has been taking an Oral only Steroid Cycle (e.g. Dbol ) for 4 weeks but realizes it was a bad choice and decides to take a Testosterone E cycle for 10-12 weeks (500mg/week) immediately after that, would that be OK? Should he stop the oral and go straight to PCT or do the Test E cycle 10-12 weeks followed by PCT? What would you suggest.

    Leads the reader to the conclusion that you or someone has been taking dbol for 4 weeks.
    I get what you mean but it's still not relevant to the question asked in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Test E for 8 weeks is a complete waste. Why doesn't "this person" make their own account here? The simple answer is exactly as Cousin said. PCT, and education are the priority. Someone who decided to do dbol only has no clue what's going on and shouldn't be using gear in any capacity
    Ok, in your opinion 4 weeks of Dbol followed by 8 weeks of Test E is a waste and PCT/Education is a priority, thanks for the advice. Don't worry about "the person", it's not relevant.

    Anyone else who has done something similar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.L View Post
    I get what you mean but it's still not relevant to the question asked in the first place.
    How is it not relevant ? It’s the first statement in your question. Oral only steroid cycle (I.e. dbol )

    Now the persons not relevant ?

    What is relevant?

    Can you restate your question?

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    Never run an oral cycle only unless you are a woman! Read all the oral steroids profiles and they all say they suppress our natural test levels. If you are going to get orals then do them both at the same time to get the best results. This is not really rocket science. If you do oral AAS then you need to be on Test peroid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    How is it not relevant ? It’s the first statement in your question. Oral only steroid cycle (I.e. dbol )

    Now the persons not relevant ?

    What is relevant?

    Can you restate your question?
    The "person" is not relevant to the question asked.

    So, 4 weeks of Dbol with no Testosterone as a base, what would you do? Choices are:
    A. Stop and do PCT
    B. Take Test E for 4 weeks and then PCT.
    C. Take Test E for 8 weeks and then PCT.
    D. Take Test E for 12 weeks and then PCT.
    E. Non of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.L View Post
    The "person" is not relevant to the question asked.

    So, 4 weeks of Dbol with no Testosterone as a base, what would you do? Choices are:
    A. Stop and do PCT
    B. Take Test E for 4 weeks and then PCT.
    C. Take Test E for 8 weeks and then PCT.
    D. Take Test E for 12 weeks and then PCT.
    E. Non of the above.
    Get bloodwork and do PCT.

    All anabolic steroids suppress natural testosterone production. While the total rate of suppression varies from one steroid to the next, with Dianabol it is very pronounced. For this reason, most men are encouraged to include some form of exogenous testosterone with their Dianabol use. Failure to include exogenous testosterone, regardless of your genetics or rumors you have heard will lead to a low testosterone condition. Such a condition comes with a host of possible symptoms and is extremely unhealthy. Even if symptoms do not show or are moderate at best, a low level condition will remain an unhealthy one. If you include exogenous testosterone, this problem is solved as the body will have all the testosterone it needs.

    Once the use of Dianabol is complete and all the exogenous steroidal hormones have cleared your system, natural testosterone recovery will begin again. Natural recovery assumes no prior low testosterone condition. It also assumes no damage was done to the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis (HPTA) due to improper anabolic steroid use . While natural recovery will begin on its own, it will be slow. For this reason, most are encouraged to implement a Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) plan after anabolic steroid use. Such a plan will commonly include the SERM’s Nolvadex and Clomid, and often additional HCG . This will greatly speed up the recovery process, as well as its overall efficiency. It will not return your natural testosterone levels to normal on its own, if this is something you’ve been told it is a myth. However, it will ensure you have enough testosterone for proper bodily function while your levels continue to naturally rise. Total recovery will still take several months, but this will cut the total time down dramatically and ensure a smooth recovery.
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    OK, so David answered choice A and added "Get bloodwork", thanks for the explanation. Anyone else has a different choice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    My friend, do you want me to not express my view point on things..?
    Are you illiterate or just trolling?

    I'll give you even more time since you didn't learn anything the first time.

    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    Many people do lots and lots of cycle and never need TRT.

    Apart from that, you have the option of being considerate and not just expressing thoughts, because of how it can impact others when you give it as advice.
    There was a guy here who would push the "my thoughts" "my opinion" and would spew shit like using DNP and insulin at the same time as if anything meaningful would be achieved doing so. He got banned, but some people still don't get the point. Hell, some people pay morons like these for advice, even after they have been exposed as a fraud who has never lifted weights (like if it was difficult to think and see they were full of it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.L View Post
    The "person" is not relevant to the question asked.

    So, 4 weeks of Dbol with no Testosterone as a base, what would you do? Choices are:
    A. Stop and do PCT
    B. Take Test E for 4 weeks and then PCT.
    C. Take Test E for 8 weeks and then PCT.
    D. Take Test E for 12 weeks and then PCT.
    E. Non of the above.
    A. Stop run pct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.L View Post
    The "person" is not relevant to the question asked.

    So, 4 weeks of Dbol with no Testosterone as a base, what would you do? Choices are:
    A. Stop and do PCT
    B. Take Test E for 4 weeks and then PCT.
    C. Take Test E for 8 weeks and then PCT.
    D. Take Test E for 12 weeks and then PCT.
    E. Non of the above.
    Here is the why behind what Windex said;

    Test and dbol are different drugs. Test enanthate takes time to build up and start becoming effective. Test E for 4 weeks is pointless, pretty much no gains/barely minimal gains will be made. For 8 weeks you cut it short just when the fun begins.

    The problem with starting a 12 weeker now is you don't know how your internals and your health is. For all we know you had a little high hematocrit before the dianabol . It took it a couple percent up and you're at 50%+. You jump on cycle and neglect doing blood work, your hematocrit goes even higher and you are at a high risk of blood clots et.c. Do you understand now why it is not what the majority of some dudes said is a good option... you have to research for yourself and take care of your own health. AAS are to be taken seriously.

    Hematocrit/blood thickness is one aspect only. Read the thread I linked to in the sixth post in this thread and understand all the components, get all the ancillaries first, blood work, and then when everything is fine, start a cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    Are you illiterate or just trolling?

    I'll give you even more time since you didn't learn anything the first time.



    There was a guy here who would push the "my thoughts" "my opinion" and would spew shit like using DNP and insulin at the same time as if anything meaningful would be achieved doing so. He got banned, but some people still don't get the point. Hell, some people pay morons like these for advice, even after they have been exposed as a fraud who has never lifted weights (like if it was difficult to think and see they were full of it).
    You are a very opinionated individual. I wonder at what point in time you chose to become the "equalizer" on a steroid forum. If you have an issue with a former member and they're no longer here for you to argue with that is not my problem. Furthermore, I think it's a pretty far stretch to compare my advice to his.

    I will continue to say that if you're going to choose the body building lifestyle and plan on extended steroid use then getting on trt is ABSOLUTELY the favorable option and also optimal to continue getting closer to your goals without losing gains or putting your body through a hell of a lot of stress and hormone fluctuations in attempts to restart your HPTA.

    That is not bad advice and if you want to believe in your mind that by me saying that I am not being considerate then that is your prerogative. Furthermore, if you think that my advice is akin to telling people to take insulin and dnp then maybe you should reevaluate your ability to make a clear judgement and be considerate to the rest of us trying to exchange thoughts and experience because maybe, just ,maybe not everyone thinks the same as you.

    And that's the last thing I'm saying in regards to this on the open forum if you have any interest in discussing this further please PM me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    You are a very opinionated individual. I wonder at what point in time you chose to become the "equalizer" on a steroid forum. If you have an issue with a former member and they're no longer here for you to argue with that is not my problem. Furthermore, I think it's a pretty far stretch to compare my advice to his.

    I will continue to say that if you're going to choose the body building lifestyle and plan on extended steroid use then getting on trt is ABSOLUTELY the favorable option and also optimal to continue getting closer to your goals without losing gains or putting your body through a hell of a lot of stress and hormone fluctuations in attempts to restart your HPTA.

    That is not bad advice and if you want to believe in your mind that by me saying that I am not being considerate then that is your prerogative. Furthermore, if you think that my advice is akin to telling people to take insulin and dnp then maybe you should reevaluate your ability to make a clear judgement and be considerate to the rest of us trying to exchange thoughts and experience because maybe, just ,maybe not everyone thinks the same as you.

    And that's the last thing I'm saying in regards to this on the open forum if you have any interest in discussing this further please PM me.
    A long and elaborate post, if you wanted to be respectful you could keep the personality attacks off from the public forum Not interested in a PM "discussion", you can have that monologue with yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    A long and elaborate post, if you wanted to be respectful you could keep the personality attacks off from the public forum Not interested in a PM "discussion", you can have that monologue with yourself.
    I believe I was very respectful and at I don't see where I "attacked" your personality.

    Do you believe that by implying I'm illiterate and a slow learner you're being respectful? Now I'm really starting to see how skewed your perception is and I imagine others will, too. Maybe you should start picking your battles more wisely and if you have an issue with someone then you should really work on resolving conflicts constructively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.L View Post
    Relax kid. I never said I was taking Dbol, so next time stick to answering the question or don't bother.
    For starters I'm not a kid but I understand why you said that so fair enough. I'm not sure why I assumed you were a youngen, prob because these types of posts are almost always put up by kids still living with their parents who have no business getting involved with this stuff in the first place. So I apologize for assuming.

    I will also say that it wasn't necessary for me to speak to you in a condescending manner. I wasn't in the best mood when I posted that so I will apologize for coming across like a dick. Whether it's you or actually a "friend" is only for you to know. You are a good friend for putting this effort in to get information for your boy if, in fact, that is the case.

    Lastly, I'm not sure why I got into the trt subject in this particular thread cause it wasn't warranted at all. I guess it has to do with the fact that I want these young bucks to understand that doing steroids even just one time could become a lifelong commitment. When I saw the post, I pictured a young kid with zero knowledge of the possible repercussions of popping dbol for a month to blow up real quick and my intention was to help him realize that it's not worth the possible consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.L View Post
    The "person" is not relevant to the question asked.

    So, 4 weeks of Dbol with no Testosterone as a base, what would you do? Choices are:
    A. Stop and do PCT
    B. Take Test E for 4 weeks and then PCT.
    C. Take Test E for 8 weeks and then PCT.
    D. Take Test E for 12 weeks and then PCT.
    E. Non of the above.
    Option A would be most logical and safe.
    Option D would be what lot of guys will probably want to do. Just stick with Option A. Better be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.L View Post
    Hello guys, I would really appreciate the advise on a few questions about a cycle.

    If someone has been taking an Oral only Steroid Cycle (e.g. Dbol ) for 4 weeks but realizes it was a bad choice and decides to take a Testosterone E cycle for 10-12 weeks (500mg/week) immediately after that, would that be OK? Should he stop the oral and go straight to PCT or do the Test E cycle 10-12 weeks followed by PCT? What would you suggest.

    Thanks
    You could go from your oral only cycle into your TEST E cycle. No reason you shouldn't be able to do that successfully.

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