Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 40 of 44
Like Tree23Likes

Thread: Hemo-goblins explained. Help

  1. #1
    Couchlockd's Avatar
    Couchlockd is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    aka m.hornbuckle
    Posts
    4,364

    Hemo-goblins explained. Help

    Ok so went to donate yesterday double red. My test of "hemo crit" as she called it was 16. Have a buddy who's on a Lion's share his was 13.

    Why do low? I'm reading 13 is barely enough to safely donate? I thought this stuff made our blood very thick snd should be much higher?

    Am I missing something here?

    Yeah Kel, I need your help to understand.
    Obs likes this.

  2. #2
    charger69's Avatar
    charger69 is online now Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    7,187
    I do not trust their readings. I can usually tell when my hematocrit is on the edge. I donated one time when i felt it was on the edge and they had me on the low side. Sure enough, the donation solved the problem.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Obs likes this.

  3. #3
    Obs
    Obs is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    20,053
    Mine was low 13.something

    But I got so bad I couldnt lift but after donating I was good to go.

    So correct me if I am wrong... My issue was most likely total volume of blood being to excessive and not hematocrit.

    Also, hematocrit off a hemoglobin measurement is basically just a close guess based upon a ratio of hemoglobin to average blood values.... ?

  4. #4
    Mr.BB's Avatar
    Mr.BB is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    HOME
    Posts
    6,902
    She is telling you the hemoglobin, not the hematocrit.
    almostgone and Obs like this.

  5. #5
    Obs
    Obs is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    20,053
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    She is telling you the hemoglobin, not the hematocrit.
    I have the same questions as horn.
    We havve been tryna figure it out.
    The american red cross workers all call hemoglobin the hematocrit because they are misinformed as best I can tell. We live hundreds of miles apart but the ARC workers call it the same shit.
    Hematocrit is a % value
    Hemoglobin is a 13-21 range.

    Hematocrit is the % of rbc to total blood volume
    And hemoglobin is just a measurement of hemoglobin.

    Why oh why do they call it the wrong thing?
    Last edited by Obs; 06-27-2018 at 09:38 PM.

  6. #6
    Obs
    Obs is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    20,053
    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    I do not trust their readings. I can usually tell when my hematocrit is on the edge. I donated one time when i felt it was on the edge and they had me on the low side. Sure enough, the donation solved the problem.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Perhaps your total volume of blood is your issue as well? Mine starts as lethargy lack of endurance then becomes a pounding heart

  7. #7
    charger69's Avatar
    charger69 is online now Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    7,187
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    She is telling you the hemoglobin, not the hematocrit.
    I understood that the measurement is different however the parameters provide identical clinical information.
    I understood hemoglobin measurement breaks down the red blood cells to get hemoglobin in solution. The concentration of hemoglobin is measured by spectrophotometry.
    Hematocrit is actually calculated and not a direct measurement. The red blood cell count is multiplied by their volume.
    I give blood to two separate entities and one uses the hemoglobin s ale and the other uses the hematocrit scale.

    Please correct me if I am misguided.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    cousinmuscles likes this.

  8. #8
    Obs
    Obs is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    20,053
    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    I understood that the measurement is different however the parameters provide identical clinical information.
    I understood hemoglobin measurement breaks down the red blood cells to get hemoglobin in solution. The concentration of hemoglobin is measured by spectrophotometry.
    Hematocrit is actually calculated and not a direct measurement. The red blood cell count is multiplied by their volume.
    I give blood to two separate entities and one uses the hemoglobin s ale and the other uses the hematocrit scale.

    Please correct me if I am misguided.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    You are miss guided alright but you are probably correct.
    The hematocrit can be estimated off hemoglobin via a ratio based on normal blood averages.....?
    charger69 likes this.

  9. #9
    Couchlockd's Avatar
    Couchlockd is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    aka m.hornbuckle
    Posts
    4,364
    Now I'm even more confused.

    My level was 16. Obs was 13.

    According to red Cross the number they gave correlates to amount Of RBC. so if this shit increases RBC to the point if clotting, why did he "barely have enough to safely donate" and me not much further off?

    Should not our numbers been more like 23 and 26 (ob being higher due to harsher compound useage)?
    Obs likes this.

  10. #10
    charger69's Avatar
    charger69 is online now Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    7,187
    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    Now I'm even more confused.

    My level was 16. Obs was 13.

    According to red Cross the number they gave correlates to amount Of RBC. so if this shit increases RBC to the point if clotting, why did he "barely have enough to safely donate" and me not much further off?

    Should not our numbers been more like 23 and 26 (ob being higher due to harsher compound useage)?
    They had mine at 13 also. I do not believe it.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  11. #11
    Obs
    Obs is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    20,053
    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    They had mine at 13 also. I do not believe it.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    I believe them.
    I rather think our issue is total volume.

    Wtf is kel?
    Bb is asleep now.

  12. #12
    jolter604's Avatar
    jolter604 is online now Productive Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    moon
    Posts
    1,401
    Try some eq. I donated jumped on test and eq with some anadrol and 12 weeks later mine was to high to donate.
    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    Ok so went to donate yesterday double red. My test of "hemo crit" as she called it was 16. Have a buddy who's on a Lion's share his was 13.

    Why do low? I'm reading 13 is barely enough to safely donate? I thought this stuff made our blood very thick snd should be much higher?

    Am I missing something here?

    Yeah Kel, I need your help to understand.
    Sent from my LGMP450 using Tapatalk

  13. #13
    Couchlockd's Avatar
    Couchlockd is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    aka m.hornbuckle
    Posts
    4,364
    No, we don't want it high.

    That's the whole point of donating. So we don't strike out with a blood clot and the hemo-goblins pull us 6 feet under.
    Obs, charger69 and Chrisp83TRT like this.

  14. #14
    jstone is online now Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,349
    OBS hemoglobin is tested to see if you have enough iron in your blood cells to donate. Hemoglobin is a protein in the red blood cell that transports oxygen to your body. Hematocrit is how much space your red blood cells take up in the blood.

    Generally you multiply your hemoglobin by 3 to get a rough estimate of hematocrit.

    It's good to see you still around obs this is the first time I have logged in since I left. Probably haven't been here more than a few times, but never logged in. Keep at it buddy.

    It was a sad day when a vet stood up for shot source just because they were a paid sponsor. Never thought I would see it here but when someone with a position with the board supports one.of the biggest selective scammers in the game I'm out.
    Last edited by jstone; 06-27-2018 at 11:06 PM.
    charger69 and Obs like this.

  15. #15
    Obs
    Obs is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    20,053
    Quote Originally Posted by jstone View Post
    OBS hemoglobin is tested to see if you have enough iron in your blood cells to donate. Hemoglobin is a protein in the red blood cell that transports oxygen to your body. Hematocrit is how much space your red blood cells take up in the blood.

    Generally you multiply your hemoglobin by 3 to get a rough estimate of hematocrit.

    It's good to see you still around obs this is the first time I have logged in since I left. Probably haven't been here more than a few times, but never logged in. Keep at it buddy.

    It was a sad day when a vet stood up for shot source just because they were a paid sponsor. Never thought I would see it here but when someone with a position with the board supports one.of the biggest selective scammers in the game I'm out.
    Wondered where you been man! Hadnt seen you in a long ass time! Glad to see a real brother come back!

  16. #16
    Obs
    Obs is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    20,053
    Quote Originally Posted by jstone View Post
    OBS hemoglobin is tested to see if you have enough iron in your blood cells to donate. Hemoglobin is a protein in the red blood cell that transports oxygen to your body. Hematocrit is how much space your red blood cells take up in the blood.

    Generally you multiply your hemoglobin by 3 to get a rough estimate of hematocrit.

    It's good to see you still around obs this is the first time I have logged in since I left. Probably haven't been here more than a few times, but never logged in. Keep at it buddy.

    It was a sad day when a vet stood up for shot source just because they were a paid sponsor. Never thought I would see it here but when someone with a position with the board supports one.of the biggest selective scammers in the game I'm out.
    Uncle?

  17. #17
    jstone is online now Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,349
    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Uncle?
    Yeah for sure so its known uncleZ is a selective scammer. All you have to do is research him.

  18. #18
    Mr.BB's Avatar
    Mr.BB is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    HOME
    Posts
    6,902
    Around here they ask "Let's see how your iron is?" And they use a small machine to measure hemoglobin, it's not very accurate, +-5%, if in good condition.

    Like J said multiple by 3 gives a rough estimate of hematocrit.

    You guys are overthinking this, how many ppl that go donate you think know what's hemoglobin?

  19. #19
    Mr.BB's Avatar
    Mr.BB is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    HOME
    Posts
    6,902
    Quote Originally Posted by jstone View Post
    Yeah for sure so its known uncleZ is a selective scammer. All you have to do is research him.
    Please bring this to one on one with staff. Not a subject for here.
    marcus300 likes this.

  20. #20
    marcus300's Avatar
    marcus300 is offline ~Retired~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    ENGLAND
    Posts
    40,922
    Quote Originally Posted by jstone View Post
    It was a sad day when a vet stood up for shot source just because they were a paid sponsor. Never thought I would see it here but when someone with a position with the board supports one.of the biggest selective scammers in the game I'm out.

    If you have any concerns jstone contact admin no need to announce anything on a thread especially with your track record.
    Last edited by marcus300; 06-28-2018 at 01:45 AM.
    hollowedzeus likes this.

  21. #21
    Obs
    Obs is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    20,053
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Please bring this to one on one with staff. Not a subject for here.
    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    If you have any concerns jstone contact admin no need to announce anything on a thread especially with your track record.

    Uncle z is no longer a sponsor so what is the concern?

  22. #22
    Couchlockd's Avatar
    Couchlockd is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    aka m.hornbuckle
    Posts
    4,364
    Ffs, threads derailed all the time.

  23. #23
    Obs
    Obs is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    20,053
    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    Ffs, threads derailed all the time.
    I dont think we are gonna get an answer.
    Clear questions no answers.
    mxgregg likes this.

  24. #24
    Couchlockd's Avatar
    Couchlockd is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    aka m.hornbuckle
    Posts
    4,364
    Kel.... We're ya at

  25. #25
    Ashop's Avatar
    Ashop is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    9,923
    People on AAS or TRT should give this video a look:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH-J5kXU-jQ
    EDCG19 and Mr.BB like this.

  26. #26
    charger69's Avatar
    charger69 is online now Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    7,187
    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    ........this board
    Obs- be nice.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Last edited by almostgone; 06-29-2018 at 02:49 AM.

  27. #27
    hammerheart's Avatar
    hammerheart is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Surrounded by wolves
    Posts
    4,528
    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    Ok so went to donate yesterday double red. My test of "hemo crit" as she called it was 16. Have a buddy who's on a Lion's share his was 13.

    Why do low? I'm reading 13 is barely enough to safely donate? I thought this stuff made our blood very thick snd should be much higher?

    Am I missing something here?

    Yeah Kel, I need your help to understand.
    Yes 13 Hgb is quite low for a man.

    Not sure what do you mean by "this stuff" but I guess AAS well know that no compound will be of use if you Iron stores are low, and that's what happens with multiple donations over time. So duh, if your blood counts are low you should pull an Iron panel, no matter what aas you pin your ass with.

  28. #28
    hammerheart's Avatar
    hammerheart is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Surrounded by wolves
    Posts
    4,528
    BTW I have been noticing something curious about my blood counts lately.

    Digged into past bloodwork and discovered that increased Hgb in blood (cause it's measured that way) didn't always result in increased hemoglobin within the cell (MCHC).

    That means, say I got 15 Hgb at one point, I did in fact have a lower MCHC actually lower than other times it scored at 13, with RBC and HCT being substantially indifferent.

    Explanation is there's also free, unbound hemoglobin in blood, even if by means of AAS (just high T really) I get Hgb up a bit, it has an hard time getting incorporated into erythrocytes. What a waste.

  29. #29
    hammerheart's Avatar
    hammerheart is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Surrounded by wolves
    Posts
    4,528
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Around here they ask "Let's see how your iron is?" And they use a small machine to measure hemoglobin, it's not very accurate, +-5%, if in good condition.

    Like J said multiple by 3 gives a rough estimate of hematocrit.

    You guys are overthinking this, how many ppl that go donate you think know what's hemoglobin?
    Same here, hemoglobin = Iron eheheh.

  30. #30
    Quester's Avatar
    Quester is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    In the Bluegrass
    Posts
    2,422
    Hematocrit is a percentage of rbc to plasma. Hematocrit was first and it incorporated a centrifuge, you can see how it would be fine if all RBCs were the same size. It is accurate for most people. Hemoglobin is a measure of the weight of RBCs in blood plasma, it is useful for those with abnormalities which result in non-standard sized RBCs. Both are a measurement of your bloods ability to carry oxygen.

  31. #31
    Quester's Avatar
    Quester is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    In the Bluegrass
    Posts
    2,422
    *Hematocrit is fine if all of the RBCs, in the test tube, in the centrifuge, were all the same size...

  32. #32
    Chrisp83TRT's Avatar
    Chrisp83TRT is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Posts
    1,122
    Quote Originally Posted by ALIN View Post
    People on AAS or TRT should give this video a look:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH-J5kXU-jQ
    Thanks alin, was a good watch !

  33. #33
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    23,039
    Quote Originally Posted by Quester View Post
    *Hematocrit is fine if all of the RBCs, in the test tube, in the centrifuge, were all the same size...
    That is rather contrary to what I've been told by my PCP, cardiologist, and the oncologist that was handling my care. A high percentage of RBC is a high percentage regardless of size or maturity.
    Not looking to argue, just sharing what I was told.
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

  34. #34
    cousinmuscles's Avatar
    cousinmuscles is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Posts
    2,751
    Quote Originally Posted by ALIN View Post
    People on AAS or TRT should give this video a look:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH-J5kXU-jQ
    Interesting. Thanks alin!

  35. #35
    Mr.BB's Avatar
    Mr.BB is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    HOME
    Posts
    6,902
    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    Interesting. Thanks alin!
    This doc is right, I have been saying the same for a long time.

    Hematocrit above 52% it can be healthy to donate, but only if your iron stores are in good shape. Low iron brings more health risks than high hematocrit.

    Guys donating every 2 months, although very good for the blood bank and people that can be helped with that donation, put the donor at risk if not able to restock iron levels.

    BTW I mean iron, not hemoglobin, which are completely different things.

  36. #36
    Chrisp83TRT's Avatar
    Chrisp83TRT is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Posts
    1,122
    What if your iron is on the high side? My iron tends to be in the normal high range

  37. #37
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    23,039
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT View Post
    What if your iron is on the high side? My iron tends to be in the normal high range
    Same here. My last iron panel ferritin was good, TIBC was mid-range, Hgb was upper end. I have cut back a tad on iron rich foods and substituted poultry and fish for some.of the red meat I consume. It seemed to have helped. Last Hgb was just in range, instead of over range.
    Chrisp83TRT likes this.
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

  38. #38
    Couchlockd's Avatar
    Couchlockd is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    aka m.hornbuckle
    Posts
    4,364
    What about a level of 16 on the red Cross test? Do I need iron?

    And hammer heart says if you got low iron, no steroids will work very good.

    Starting to second guess this whole sha-bang of banging gear into my body...

  39. #39
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    23,039
    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    What about a level of 16 on the red Cross test? Do I need iron?

    And hammer heart says if you got low iron, no steroids will work very good.

    Starting to second guess this whole sha-bang of banging gear into my body...


    No. Normal range for Hgb in males is 13.5 - 17.5 g/dL.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...t/drc-20355040


    If you are worried about your Hgb levels, check.your ferritin levels at a minimum, a full iron panel is even better.

    I think.your Hgb is G2G. As mentioned above, the accuracy level of the meters they use to check.your Hgb is typically +/- 5%.
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

  40. #40
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    23,039
    This is the panel I use when I feel there is cause for concern.

    Comprehensive Iron Panel - Private MD

    Again, m.hornbuckle, I think your Hgb is fine.
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •