1st cycle (test only) did I "F" myself up?

**Tomahawk1976** · 07-02-2018, 01:16 PM

Long and the short of it. About 8 weeks into a 12 week cycle of Test-E (2ml twice a week) Feel great, feel stronger and getting good results. For some stupid reason I decided to try using my thigh (been 5 days now and the damn thing is still puffy and feels like shit, although not as bad as first 3 days) just hoping I didn't get an infection or anything.....i did use a 1.5" 18 ga needle so maybe that was just the bad idea. Any thoughts or advice are greatly appreciated.
I know....i should be smarter that this. I'm 41, not some young kid

**Pmft** · 07-02-2018, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Tomahawk1976

Long and the short of it. About 8 weeks into a 12 week cycle of Test-E (2ml twice a week) Feel great, feel stronger and getting good results. For some stupid reason I decided to try using my thigh (been 5 days now and the damn thing is still puffy and feels like shit, although not as bad as first 3 days) just hoping I didn't get an infection or anything.....i did use a 1.5" 18 ga needle so maybe that was just the bad idea. Any thoughts or advice are greatly appreciated.
I know....i should be smarter that this. I'm 41, not some young kid

Wow have you been using an 18g needle for every injection?

Where else have you been injecting?

I draw with an 18g and inject with a 23g. I pin my thighs sometimes and don't have any problems.

Does it feel warm to the touch? If you have any doubt you should see a doctor.

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**Chrisp83TRT** · 07-02-2018, 01:35 PM

You pinned with an 18g ? Holy titty cakes! I’d be crying if that were me. Is this your first time doing the quad ? If so it may be because you used a Virgin muscle or.... YOU USED AN 18g needle!
And wait 2ml twice a week ? Is that a split of 1ml each time ?

**Quester** · 07-02-2018, 01:40 PM

2mL sounds like a huge dose, what is your vial dosed at? The thigh is a fine place to pin. 18G is unnecessary. Also, many members prefer to split anything over .5mL into more pins to avoid tissue damage.

**kbunyan** · 07-02-2018, 02:08 PM

Ouch 18G is a huge needle, its usually to draw. Use a 28 or 29G. You wont even feel anything. I just did my first dose after a night up of anxiety LOL. I know I know

**David LoPanno** · 07-02-2018, 02:13 PM

Guys read, he draws with 18 g and pins with 23 g. I do the exact see thing. 2 ml is fine depending on the MG per ML

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**David LoPanno** · 07-02-2018, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by David LoPanno

Guys read, he draws with 18 g and pins with 23 g. I do the exact see thing. 2 ml is fine depending on the MG per ML

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Lmao. I can't read. 18 is huge for a quad. 2 ML is fine for the quad.

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**Couchlockd** · 07-02-2018, 02:38 PM

2 milliliter twice a week is 800 to 1000 mg of testosterone that much is not needed after about 6 to 700 mg for me all the extra does is increase sides in does shit for gaining muscle in fact I find it to be a bit counter-productive due to the amount of estrogen swings in the difficulty dialing in the aromatase inhibitor

**Tomahawk1976** · 07-02-2018, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by David LoPanno

Guys read, he draws with 18 g and pins with 23 g. I do the exact see thing. 2 ml is fine depending on the MG per ML

No, i use just 18 ga. 1.5" for glutes and quads (only once-haha) and 1" for delts.
I was hoping it was just because of that.....it felt way worse than even my first time with glutes or delts. Just hopig to avoid a trip to the doctors

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Thanks for the help n advice though

**Chrisp83TRT** · 07-02-2018, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by David LoPanno

Guys read, he draws with 18 g and pins with 23 g. I do the exact see thing. 2 ml is fine depending on the MG per ML

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He did not say he pinned with a 23g . He said 1.5” 18g

**Tomahawk1976** · 07-02-2018, 02:43 PM

18ga for everythig. 1" for delts 1.5" for quads (once-haha) and glutes.
Am still holdignout hope it's just because of that and i never did the quad before. Definitely felt worse than glutes or delts....even before the test.

**Chrisp83TRT** · 07-02-2018, 02:52 PM

^ ^ see David, which is why people reacted the way they did . Tony you don’t need that gauge .. you can even go as far as 25-27 depending on the oil

**Pmft** · 07-02-2018, 03:00 PM

My mom is a retired nurse and does some of my injections and has been a good source of info. This is what mommy says:

1" long is plenty long for glutes, quads, and delts.

23g is common for oils but you can use a little smaller although it gets harder to push through.

During my last cycle i was pinning 2.5ml total of oil of test/eq in my delts. I had no problems at all and my delts arent huge but solid. Mommy says its not standard practice to inject that much oil into a delt but they can take it.

Quads can handle quite a bit more.

I am lucky to have such an open minded mother!

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**Windex** · 07-02-2018, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Tomahawk1976

18ga for everythig. 1" for delts 1.5" for quads (once-haha) and glutes.
Am still holdignout hope it's just because of that and i never did the quad before. Definitely felt worse than glutes or delts....even before the test.

18G is used for horses. 14-16G for cattle.

Use 21G 23G or 25G to inject and 18G only to draw oil

I've been using 25G for last 7 years myself

**MACKATTACK** · 07-02-2018, 04:24 PM

I use 25G 1 1/2 and 26G 5/8..........there is no point to use anything larger. If I could of found a 27 or 28G in the right length when I originally order I would have done so.......I also shoot PRIMO which is a super THICK compound.....

**AlphaMindz** · 07-02-2018, 04:30 PM

Sounds like you ended up on the wrong end of a dare sticking a freakin 18g harpoon into your leg!

I don't go below 23g but prefer 25g.

**Mr.BB** · 07-02-2018, 04:59 PM

Theres no problem in using 18G, except momentary pain when you stick it in.

The problem is you injected in a virgin muscle and a (not needed) high dosage. Furthermore quads are the easiest muscles to hit a nerve or get an infection.

Now why are you using 800-1000mg of testosterone per week?? Totally not needed for 1st cycle, you would grow just as much with 500mg. If you are not using an AI your estrogens are higher than a ovulating female.

**PT1982** · 07-03-2018, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Tomahawk1976

.....i did use a 1.5" 18 ga needle so maybe that was just the bad idea.

Holy Lord! If your body fat is fairly low, a 1" is more than enough for about anywhere. And using an 18g every time can lead to painful scarring and more! Order you some 25g, or 23 if you like thicker needles, and mix up pinning sites. Delts and tris are simple and pain free (as long as you aren't harpooning yourself with an 18g lol). I exclusively use 25-27g for intramuscular injections, and I never use anything longer than 5/8". I started this once I got away from long esters and started pinning daily.