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    Question Sustanon and NPP dosages...is this correct?

    Been chatting to a fairly popular UK YouTuber about my next possible cycle (3rd one) whose channel was primarily all about AAS. He suggested Sustanon and NPP, but said to use 0.25ml of Sust EOD and 1ml of NPP EOD (250mg Sust and 400mg NPP per week) I've been reading online and most people suggest running Test higher than Deca ...anyone have any real life evidence of why? Obviously Deca shutdown in harsh..so i'd think Test should be higher??

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    The test, at the lower dose, will provide enough to supplement (exogenously) what you will lose from the deca . Don't look at it like the deca and test are fighting, they aren't they are just doing different things in the body.

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    Thanks for the reply..

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    As quester said there is nothing wrong with the deca being higher than test. Why are you taking advice from a Youtuber of all things? You are the one injecting into your body. You are the one that will suffer any potential side effects. And you are the one that will deal with any consequences. There are so many better resources than YouTube

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    to be fair some of resources online aren't worth a wank either really, you can find anything to back up someones claim online...his forte is bodybuilding, he's also a coach, won a bodybuilding competion has a paid for members site, its not as if he's a gaming Youtuber...but i can see where you're coming from

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbadassbriant View Post
    Been chatting to a fairly popular UK YouTuber about my next possible cycle (3rd one) whose channel was primarily all about AAS. He suggested Sustanon and NPP, but said to use 0.25ml of Sust EOD and 1ml of NPP EOD (250mg Sust and 400mg NPP per week) I've been reading online and most people suggest running Test higher than Deca ...anyone have any real life evidence of why? Obviously Deca shutdown in harsh..so i'd think Test should be higher??

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    Running deca lower (around half the dose of test) seems to alleviate the 19nor sides effects, such as deca dick, but if that’s not a concern there’s nothing wrong that cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbadassbriant View Post
    to be fair some of resources online aren't worth a wank either really, you can find anything to back up someones claim online...his forte is bodybuilding, he's also a coach, won a bodybuilding competion has a paid for members site, its not as if he's a gaming Youtuber...but i can see where you're coming from
    There is tons of scientific/medical published literature around the pharmacology behind steroids and how it affects the body.

    Education will take you a lot farther. Old adage of feeding a man fish teaching a man to fish.

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    thanks

    I've read a lot of medical literature online regarding steroids , the one thing i find harder to come by, is when your looking at running two compounds at the same time, obviously if i came on here, everyone has their own opinion and thats where it gets harder to weed out the bullshit...but i understand what your saying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbadassbriant View Post
    Been chatting to a fairly popular UK YouTuber about my next possible cycle (3rd one) whose channel was primarily all about AAS. He suggested Sustanon and NPP, but said to use 0.25ml of Sust EOD and 1ml of NPP EOD (250mg Sust and 400mg NPP per week) I've been reading online and most people suggest running Test higher than Deca ...anyone have any real life evidence of why? Obviously Deca shutdown in harsh..so i'd think Test should be higher??

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    250mg/wk of Test is a little low. I would run 350mg/wk of Test. The amount of Deca depends on what you want to achieve. The more you take the greater the gains. 400mg/wk is a relatively low as Deca is a rather mild steroid . Most guys run about 600mg/wk.
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    what about 450mg test e (easier as its 0.75ml) and 600 mg of deca ? Is this better than the sust and npp way? or is there more water with deca over npp???

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    There is NO difference in water retention between esters.
    Once the ester detaches, the compound circulating your bloodstream is nandrolone . There is no difference. Anyone who tell you there is is spewing nonsense they read somewhere else, or basing off anecdotal evidence which was a result of a different variable which was not controlled (wrong ai, overeating, bad sodium control, etc).
    Typically, people think deca for bulking and npp for cutting, and they eat like pigs while running deca, hence they get bloating. On the flip side, they diet hard while taking npp, which obviously reduces water retention, and so they believe its because of the different ester.

    I prefer shorter esters because it allows for faster adjustments to be made if necessary.
    You cannot compare a 250mg sust + 400mg npp cycle to a 450mg test e + 600mg deca cycle. The latter is a significantly higher dose, obviously it will yield different results.

    What is your goal for this cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    There is NO difference in water retention between esters.
    Once the ester detaches, the compound circulating your bloodstream is nandrolone . There is no difference. Anyone who tell you there is is spewing nonsense they read somewhere else, or basing off anecdotal evidence which was a result of a different variable which was not controlled (wrong ai, overeating, bad sodium control, etc).
    Typically, people think deca for bulking and npp for cutting, and they eat like pigs while running deca, hence they get bloating. On the flip side, they diet hard while taking npp, which obviously reduces water retention, and so they believe its because of the different ester.

    I prefer shorter esters because it allows for faster adjustments to be made if necessary.
    You cannot compare a 250mg sust + 400mg npp cycle to a 450mg test e + 600mg deca cycle. The latter is a significantly higher dose, obviously it will yield different results.

    What is your goal for this cycle?
    ideally a lean bulk....get bigger and stronger...it doesn't have to be deca, i've done test and mast and test and eq the last two cycles...i've got good results, although eq wasn't amazing (some people like it, others don't care for it)

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    I ran this during my last lean bulk:
    300mg Test Prop / week
    300mg NPP / week
    500mg EQ / week.

    It was an excellent cycle.
    I personally will use that for all future "off-season" cycles. That as well as GH peptides. I see no reason to ever take any thing other than that stack for a lean bulk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    I ran this during my last lean bulk:
    300mg Test Prop / week
    300mg NPP / week
    500mg EQ / week.

    It was an excellent cycle.
    I personally will use that for all future "off-season" cycles. That as well as GH peptides. I see no reason to ever take any thing other than that stack for a lean bulk.
    How often did you inject? EOD or ETD? could you give me your 'pinning' schedule? thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    I ran this during my last lean bulk:
    300mg Test Prop / week
    300mg NPP / week
    500mg EQ / week.

    It was an excellent cycle.
    I personally will use that for all future "off-season" cycles. That as well as GH peptides. I see no reason to ever take any thing other than that stack for a lean bulk.
    Not a fan of trenbolone ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbadassbriant View Post
    How often did you inject? EOD or ETD? could you give me your 'pinning' schedule? thanks...
    I injected .8ml of Prop and .8ml of NPP EOD. Comes out to 80mg of each, at 3.5 times a week its closer to 280mg of each per week.
    I injected 250mg of EQ twice a week, Weds + Saturday - alternating glutes.
    When my Prop/NPP fell in line with the EQ shot, I would do them all in one pin. When it didn't, I would pin the NPP/Prop in my delts.
    I also took .5mg Arimidex EOD - same days as my Prop/NPP shot - might have been too much AI though tbh.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    Not a fan of trenbolone?
    I am using tren for the first time right now - but I am cutting now.
    I definitely am a fan....but honestly, I feel like shit all the time - I can't stand the reduction in cardiovascular performance. I don't think I would be willing to deal with tren sides for anything other than the tail end of a cut.

    NPP + EQ is a pretty anabolic combo.....and you can take higher doses of both than tren..and I felt great all the time...I think for a bulk, it is better.

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    What if i was to use 250mg Test E (1ml) and 375mg (0.75ml) of Equi-Max on Monday and Thursday (in one needle) as i did on my previous cycle, but then use NPP at 100mg (1ml) every 2nd day, with an insulin needle, in my delts, chest etc...? I ran the previous cycle for 16 weeks, what should i use for this one 12?? Or is this no good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbadassbriant View Post
    What if i was to use 250mg Test E (1ml) and 375mg (0.75ml) of Equi-Max on Monday and Thursday (in one needle) as i did on my previous cycle, but then use NPP at 100mg (1ml) every 2nd day, with an insulin needle, in my delts, chest etc...? I ran the previous cycle for 16 weeks, what should i use for this one 12?? Or is this no good?

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    Your wording was little confusing fo me.
    Are you saying you want to run a 12 to 16 cycle as such:

    Wk 1 - 12/16 500mg Test E (2x/wk)
    Wk 1 - 12/16 750mg EQ (2x/wk)
    Wk 1 - 12/16 350mg NPP (100 EOD)

    Is my assumption correct?

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    Probably 12 weeks
    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    Your wording was little confusing fo me.
    Are you saying you want to run a 12 to 16 cycle as such:

    Wk 1 - 12/16 500mg Test E (2x/wk)
    Wk 1 - 12/16 750mg EQ (2x/wk)
    Wk 1 - 12/16 350mg NPP (100 EOD)

    Is my assumption correct?
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    Sure, you can run that if you like.
    If your gonna use EQ, 16 weeks is ideal.

    IDK how advanced you are to make a judgement call on the dosing.
    Personally, I would use slightly less total AAS than that, simply for one reason....i can make significant gains on less than that, so why deal with the extra sides?
    Not that those are outrageous dosages....nor are any of those compounds really heavy on side-effects, up to you.
    If i were to reduce, I would reduce the Test.

    Otherwise, its a beautiful stack. You will get what your looking for.
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    Thanks for your help
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    Thanks for your help, i ran 600mg test e per week last time, and that went ok, I could inject 1ml Sust Monday (250mg) with 0.5ml of EQ (375mg) and the same on Thursday, then use 1ml of NPP (100mg) every other day in a insulin needle, delts etc....

    Should i run the NPP for 12 weeks, but the Test and EQ for 16? Maybe with an oral the last 4 weeks, or is that overkill??? (anavar or winny, maybe TBol???
    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    Sure, you can run that if you like.
    If your gonna use EQ, 16 weeks is ideal.

    IDK how advanced you are to make a judgement call on the dosing.
    Personally, I would use slightly less total AAS than that, simply for one reason....i can make significant gains on less than that, so why deal with the extra sides?
    Not that those are outrageous dosages....nor are any of those compounds really heavy on side-effects, up to you.
    If i were to reduce, I would reduce the Test.

    Otherwise, its a beautiful stack. You will get what your looking for.
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