Stimulants on cycle

**newbie2017** · 06-29-2018, 08:39 PM

Can anyone shed some light on the effects of the use of stimulants on cycle, or point me to a thread or some info.

I’m referring to caffeine in things like pre-workout formulas and energy drinks etc. I know caffeine dehydrates and probably causes high blood pressure.

Long story short I experienced rapid heart beat and loss of breath in the gym sometimes during my first cycle. I felt like I had to calm myself down and like it was a struggle to get enough oxygen during sets. I told myself to just cut out the pre but it always got me so pumped and I didn’t want to stop taking it.

32 yr male - in and out of the gym for yrs
5-9 155
Bmr 1620
Tdee 3079
Normal bloods - high natty test at 964 E2 38.7

1st cycle in Jan 2018 15 weeks
Test E 250mg twice/week
Hcg 250iu twice/week
600mg daily NAC
Daily multivitamin
Tablespoon creatine a day
Almost 1 gallon water a day. Stayed pretty thirsty.

Had shit gear. Peak test was 1500 after like 5 weeks and found another source. Shoulda just dropped the cycle and started fresh but ya know...

Had Adex and planned on taking .25mg every other day. Mid cycle bloods with no AI showed E2 lowered from 38.7 to 32 with no AI. Weird right?

Need diet improvement. Never enough calories for my metabolism. I love my energy drink(s) in the morning.

Had my Nolva and Clomid and never did my PCT. Honestly I made excuses because my 1st source sucked I told myself maybe the AI sux too. Didn’t want to take the pills and stories of sides bothered me however I know how important PCT is.

I want to run another cycle soon and I’m thinking I should try to drink a coffee in the morning instead of 2 monsters and not take the pre-workout. Need to pull labs.

Thoughts comments concerns

**Quester** · 06-29-2018, 09:08 PM

I stopped at the part where you said you experienced rapid heart beat and had to stop.
I'm in nursing school. My outlook is that I improve myself for a better life so that I can better enjoy life. Hence, life matters and I am biased toward making it last long and provide me with a quality experience.
Here are some reasons that you can use to discount my advice.
1. Your present circumstance is more important than living a healthy life.
2. Doing both AAS (STroke volume-some debate it-H&H) and stimulants (Heart rate) is going to result in your untimely death but also insure that your seed will find many a foothold (ie, your sacrificing yourself for your descendants and know this is the bargain you are making).
3. You enjoy feeling like a rat, in a cage which delivers electric shocks to you (stimulating your Autonomic nervous system-fight or flight) while you take substance which increase the viscosity of your blood.
4. You get it
If one of those extreme circumstances apply to you, welcome, walk it and talk it for the rest of the time that you participate in our forum. If none of those extreme circumstances apply to you, welcome, you have to do it the (EASY WAY truly-it is the easy way, brother) hard way, just like the rest of us.

**Quester** · 06-29-2018, 09:11 PM

You can cycle. Stimulants aren't at all worth the cost to your body when you consider that a good diet accomplished more in the short and long run.

**MACKATTACK** · 06-29-2018, 09:32 PM

Cialis, non stimulant and you have the best pump of your life. Take 5mgs 30mins prior to workout.....problem solved

**newbie2017** · 06-29-2018, 10:01 PM

Thanks guys! Yes I’ve heard good things about Cialis. I actually planned on taking 5mg a day with my next cycle. I’m going to dump the other sh#%

Not to be a smartass but if stimulants and AAS are so dangerous if used together why haven’t I found any information about it? Maybe I haven’t looked thoroughly enough on this forum or elsewhere, or maybe it’s common sense? I have always used pre workout prior to AAS. Just trying to gain some knowledge and I would like to remain healthy. Life matters to me. I have goals. I also wanna crush them.

**gymffiti** · 06-30-2018, 07:37 PM

Re Stimulants & Rapid Heart Beat -

I'm no Doctor, but my personal experience ...

I've suffered from the unfortunate combination of panic attacks & fatigue, for most of my life (Low T playing a role in that)

Obviously cutting out caffeine has helped with my rapid heart beat / panic attack problems

I've also discovered something less obvious ...

When I used to drink a lot of coffee with honey, I didn't really get the energy boost I wanted. But now I've switched from honey to sugar (demerara), I have a much more sustained energy throughout the day ... Even with decaf

It sounds counter intuitive, but it works for me.

Maybe I'm just weird lol

**Mr.BB** · 06-30-2018, 11:27 PM

Your natty testosterone was in the 900's and you went into a worthless cycle??

With a 155lbs frame??

Geez that was a mistake

**Testlolblast** · 06-30-2018, 11:37 PM

I don't think it's a good idea to include strong stimulants in your cycle: you may go crazy - too much stimulation in my opinion.

**ScotchGuard02** · 07-03-2018, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by newbie2017

Thanks guys! Yes I’ve heard good things about Cialis. I actually planned on taking 5mg a day with my next cycle. I’m going to dump the other sh#%

Not to be a smartass but if stimulants and AAS are so dangerous if used together why haven’t I found any information about it? Maybe I haven’t looked thoroughly enough on this forum or elsewhere, or maybe it’s common sense? I have always used pre workout prior to AAS. Just trying to gain some knowledge and I would like to remain healthy. Life matters to me. I have goals. I also wanna crush them.

I've run ECA (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin) and Clen /T3 stacks on cycle with Test a number of times. I'm constantly drenching 3 towels per workout and gasping for breath after every set. People must think I'm dying of a heart attach. But I look damn lean. LOL

**Chrisp83TRT** · 07-03-2018, 02:50 PM

If you drink any tea or coffee it will dehydrate you ... hence you NEED to drink more water.
“Almost a gallon” is no where enough when you are training ... especially on a cycle.
While training you will obviously feel a heavy heart beat especially when doing compound work.

Someone mentioned cialis low dose which is a good way to keep you stable and give you good pumps.
Coffee ( I would only do a cup ) as a pre work out should be good.

Keep hydrated.

**HoldMyBeer** · 07-03-2018, 03:31 PM

Caffeine in general causes me anxiety, rapid heart rate, etc.
I bought 200mg caffeine capsules and pour out half. Just enough energy to get me up and out to the gym and improve endurance.

**newbie2017** · 07-06-2018, 04:23 PM

Thanks!

**newbie2017** · 07-06-2018, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Your natty testosterone was in the 900's and you went into a worthless cycle??

With a 155lbs frame??

Geez that was a mistake

Yeah because we all intend to go into a worthless cycle. I hope your joking. I had shit gear bro and it was actually from a very popular source with lots of great labs from people on this forum to prove it in the past but they suck now.

**Mr.BB** · 07-06-2018, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by newbie2017

Yeah because we all intend to go into a worthless cycle. I hope your joking. I had shit gear bro and it was actually from a very popular source with lots of great labs from people on this forum to prove it in the past but they suck now.

Nothing to joke about people messing their hormones.

You say it yourself in the post that your diet needs improvement, steroids are not a substitute for good diet and hard training, once you go off the gear you will lose whatever gains you got if you dont eat right.Plus there is always the chance of screwing your hormones and lose even more muscle (and health) than you started with.

If you ever do more bw, check the free testosterone . Some ppl have high total testosterone but the most important free testosterone is lowish cause of high SHBG.

**charger69** · 07-06-2018, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Quester

I stopped at the part where you said you experienced rapid heart beat and had to stop.
I'm in nursing school. My outlook is that I improve myself for a better life so that I can better enjoy life. Hence, life matters and I am biased toward making it last long and provide me with a quality experience.
Here are some reasons that you can use to discount my advice.
1. Your present circumstance is more important than living a healthy life.
2. Doing both AAS (STroke volume-some debate it-H&H) and stimulants (Heart rate) is going to result in your untimely death but also insure that your seed will find many a foothold (ie, your sacrificing yourself for your descendants and know this is the bargain you are making).
3. You enjoy feeling like a rat, in a cage which delivers electric shocks to you (stimulating your Autonomic nervous system-fight or flight) while you take substance which increase the viscosity of your blood.
4. You get it
If one of those extreme circumstances apply to you, welcome, walk it and talk it for the rest of the time that you participate in our forum. If none of those extreme circumstances apply to you, welcome, you have to do it the (EASY WAY truly-it is the easy way, brother) hard way, just like the rest of us.

Hey Quester- it’s great having people like you around. Especially for the people that compete. We push things to the edge. We need someone like you around to keep it real!

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**charger69** · 07-06-2018, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

I've run ECA (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin) and Clen/T3 stacks on cycle with Test a number of times. I'm constantly drenching 3 towels per workout and gasping for breath after every set. People must think I'm dying of a heart attach. But I look damn lean. LOL

EC stack is the best IMO. You do need to be careful because you can do too much and come close to dying. I would never recommending to exceed 100 of ephedrine

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**fiddlesticks** · 07-09-2018, 06:42 AM

Don't combine stimulants with tren , that's a disaster and you may end up killing things.

**Wyatt 88** · 07-09-2018, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

I've run ECA (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin) and Clen/T3 stacks on cycle with Test a number of times. I'm constantly drenching 3 towels per workout and gasping for breath after every set. People must think I'm dying of a heart attach. But I look damn lean. LOL

What exactly does the aspirin do?

I used to take ephedrine and caffeine pills when I worked nights at a club.

Recently started playing around with dosages of caffeine and ephedrine on cycle definitely noticing results.

Just wish it didn't have such a negative effect on my liver

**i_SLAM_cougars** · 07-09-2018, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Wyatt 88

What exactly does the aspirin do?

I used to take ephedrine and caffeine pills when I worked nights at a club.

Recently started playing around with dosages of caffeine and ephedrine on cycle definitely noticing results.

Just wish it didn't have such a negative effect on my liver

Supposedly the aspirin works to prolong the effect, but I take low dose aspirin everyday anyway for general health

**charger69** · 07-09-2018, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Wyatt 88

What exactly does the aspirin do?

I used to take ephedrine and caffeine pills when I worked nights at a club.

Recently started playing around with dosages of caffeine and ephedrine on cycle definitely noticing results.

Just wish it didn't have such a negative effect on my liver

The aspirin will thin your blood. Studies show that the aspirin does have an effect on the weight loss for obese people only while using ephedrine and caffeine . There was no effect observed for non obese people .

**Wyatt 88** · 07-09-2018, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by charger69

The aspirin will thin your blood. Studies show that the aspirin does have an effect on the weight loss for obese people only while using ephedrine and caffeine . There was no effect observed for non obese people .

Figured it had something to do with thinning blood.

The fat loss is a bonus for obese people

Thanx

**Phoenixphysique** · 07-09-2018, 11:00 AM

Hi

I am not sure if you're asking if you should be taking it or if its the cause? In any case , it's definitely your special little drink causing all the concerns . I would cut it out immediately and to be honest , i'd put that money into things that matter IE fish oils , quality fibre supplements and the health supplements to protect yourself . It never ceases to amaze me how quick everyone is to buy preworkout drinks , BCAAs , protein powder and all the other nonsense that is not needed . When i ask them for their blood work apon retaining me though , they never seem to have it or a reputable source they already use to get it . I would spend the cash on clinics and your health supplements and throw out the stimulants . You're destroying your Adrenal glands with this garbage , you're on gear and so why you need this is beyond me to begin with when your RBC is probably pretty high . If you need that kind of junky high to get a workout done , i think more importantly , assess your goals and why you're doing this to begin with , spark some of that old passion back up and if you want a little kick , have some coffee every now and again pre workout to make a big personal record or do something important , not just to get you through a workout or because you like feeling jacked up . If you wanna feel jacked up , pay your local sky diving place to show you a good time, the gym is for passion , pain and dedication .

This is how i feel and what i think needs to happen , i hope it works out , clean the system out though seriously , let things reset a bit .