Horrible Anxiety/Depression on cycle

[Fernande]

I think this whole thread is a joke. These are the dumbest statements ever.

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You think i find this fun, that im trolling feeling awful? Trust me it's no joke.

[tarmyg]

Yes.

Ok. Obviously you are dealing with hormones and they affect people differently. I can, i.e not run tren . I become a complete asshole. Now, side effects can come at different times. Maybe it works fine for a long time and all of a sudden your body says no. Since you are looking for help drop test to 150mg per week. Let levels stabilize and get a COMPLETE blood panel now and in some weeks.

At least that's my 2c

[cousinmuscles]

I read both links. They say nothing about what we talked about. Only that enanthate and cypionate seem to be equal. That Enanthate keeps high 3days after injection says nothing at all.

I stay with my argument that ED prop injections are more stable and less fluctuating than e3.5d enanthate injections, unless you can show some evidence that the half life of enanthate actually is longer than 5 days by any certain mechanism.

Then learn to read.

[Fernande]

Ok. Obviously you are dealing with hormones and they affect people differently. I can, i.e not run tren . I become a complete asshole. Now, side effects can come at different times. Maybe it works fine for a long time and all of a sudden your body says no. Since you are looking for help drop test to 150mg per week. Let levels stabilize and get a COMPLETE blood panel now and in some weeks.

At least that's my 2c

Thanks man.

[Fernande]

Then learn to read.

I did mr salty because hes wrong.

[cousinmuscles]

I did mr salty because hes wrong.

Sorry, you didn't need to read, just watch the graph on the first study and the table with test levels on the second study. LOL.

Good luck with whatever you're doing, seems I can't come to help for you.

[Fernande]

Sorry, you didn't need to read, just watch the graph on the first study and the table with test levels on the second study. LOL.

Good luck with whatever you're doing, seems I can't come to help for you.

I did watch the graph and i did read the whole study, word for word.

Again, either you lack intelligence or you can't tell me why the half life of enanthate actually is longer than 5 days.

[Mr.BB]

I did watch the graph and i did read the whole study, word for word.

Again, either you lack intelligence or you can't tell me why the half life of enanthate actually is longer than 5 days.

Cousin is one of the most intelligent guys around here, you are just embarrassing yourself.

Everyone knows longer esters will give more stable blood serum values.

[Chrisp83TRT]

I did mr salty because hes wrong.

No reason to insult people that are trying to help you.
You are technically in this mess because you didn’t listen in the first place when people told you to do a b and c before and you are still fighting people that know their stuff . Trust me , be reasonable and take whatever advice you can get

[cousinmuscles]

I did watch the graph and i did read the whole study, word for word.

Again, either you lack intelligence or you can't tell me why the half life of enanthate actually is longer than 5 days.

Fair enough I have to guide you through this



Stop thinking half lives and math equations because this isn't a math equation, it's real life data on human subjects. Look how 3 days post injection it is still above 40ng/ml while the peak, 1 day post injection was barely 50.

On the second study, notice that 7 days post injection after 16 weeks on, there was enough residual test to keep levels at 2400 ng/dl. Know why deca will show a positive on a steroid test a year after you used it? Because it leaves a lot of residual deca in your system... It is not as simple as a math equation and a cool app that makes a graph, or just knowing one single piece of information - the half life, and then applying it in every case.

Keep an open mind and consider what you're here for. My advice is find a doctor who can prescribe you testosterone , don't rely on bathtub brews where you make your prayers every time you order hoping you'll get to survive and get real gear/get any gear at all. Have a doc monitor your bloods. Find the root cause of your issues and stop with the "do I need more DHT" hocus pocus crap.

[cousinmuscles]

Cousin is one of the most intelligent guys around here, you are just embarrassing yourself.

Everyone knows longer esters will give more stable blood serum values.

Why thank you, I like that title

[tarmyg]

I did watch the graph and i did read the whole study, word for word.

Again, either you lack intelligence or you can't tell me why the half life of enanthate actually is longer than 5 days.

Remember we are not dealing with radioactive isotopes here so half-lives is not super straight forward.

[hammerheart]

Remember we are not dealing with radioactive isotopes here so half-lives is not super straight forward.

Indeed it all resort down to individual metabolism handling and many third factors like oil carrier and solvents used, volume pinned, which muscle is pinned lol it's a whole bunch of factors it's not linear at all.

I don't feel stable on ED pins with the enanthate .

[Fernande]

Fair enough I have to guide you through this



Stop thinking half lives and math equations because this isn't a math equation, it's real life data on human subjects. Look how 3 days post injection it is still above 40ng/ml while the peak, 1 day post injection was barely 50.

On the second study, notice that 7 days post injection after 16 weeks on, there was enough residual test to keep levels at 2400 ng/dl. Know why deca will show a positive on a steroid test a year after you used it? Because it leaves a lot of residual deca in your system... It is not as simple as a math equation and a cool app that makes a graph, or just knowing one single piece of information - the half life, and then applying it in every case.

Keep an open mind and consider what you're here for. My advice is find a doctor who can prescribe you testosterone, don't rely on bathtub brews where you make your prayers every time you order hoping you'll get to survive and get real gear/get any gear at all. Have a doc monitor your bloods. Find the root cause of your issues and stop with the "do I need more DHT" hocus pocus crap.

Even if there are residual test and the half life is not perfectly linear like it was some robot system with oil in it.

How do you know these things do not apply to propionate and that ED injections of propionate are less stable than enanthate e3.5d?

Like i said i read the studies word for word but i can't find the information you are relying on when you say that statement is "Incorrect".

[Fernande]

Remember we are not dealing with radioactive isotopes here so half-lives is not super straight forward.

Fair enough, i'm not a retard. I understand metabolism can affect half Lifes and i've already come to this conclusion myself ages ago.

But that was not the subject at hand. I was told ED injections of prop was less stable than E3.5D enanthate .

I showed why this was not the case, only to be thrown studies that in no way said why this would be the case. Now you guys are arguing against a whole other subject.

[Fernande]

No reason to insult people that are trying to help you.
You are technically in this mess because you didn’t listen in the first place when people told you to do a b and c before and you are still fighting people that know their stuff . Trust me , be reasonable and take whatever advice you can get

Look dude, i'm having a discussion. Someone tells me i should learn to read. Now get the fuk out of here kid.

[cousinmuscles]

Even if there are residual test and the half life is not perfectly linear like it was some robot system with oil in it.

How do you know these things do not apply to propionate and that ED injections of propionate are less stable than enanthate e3.5d?

Like i said i read the studies word for word but i can't find the information you are relying on when you say that statement is "Incorrect".

Read this post https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...ml#post7394992

Look dude, i'm having a discussion. Someone tells me i should learn to read. Now get the fuk out of here kid.

Don't get yourself banned now let it rest and revisit the thread some other day in a different mindset and mood.

[Fernande]

Read this post https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...ml#post7394992



Don't get yourself banned now let it rest and revisit the thread some other day in a different mindset and mood.

I did, no arguments. Thought so

[Mooseman33]

kid?

you are 25. not only are you a kid, you are a complete and utter moron for how you abuse what you take.

people were just trying to help, you are the kid, or punk, and should learn that even if you do not agree, we all were trying to help.

humble up punk, you need the help and people are here to help.

[Fernande]

It's very easy for me to notice when someone just want to be right and make bro science statements without being able to back them up correctly.

Truth is, you don't know what you are talking about, this is just a personal theory in your head and when i question it, it crumbles.

Otherwise you wouldn't have made that "then learn to read" argument but just had a normal conversation stating facts and i would most likely have said, wow cool i didn't know that, and thanked you.

Now instead, you made this into an online war where your buddies come to your aid, it's pathetic tbh.

Oh well, steroid users are not known for being the smartest guys out there lol.


Almost noone has come with any advice more than bashing, you guys are just a clueless little bunch haha.

I have had some few people given me very good advice though and i thank them from the bottom of my heart.

<3

[Mooseman33]

i did.

you are mental, and because of shit like you we have a bad name, it is exactly people like you who destroy the whole community.

please go get help, all you are doing is broscience. you need bloodwork and a shrink. get professional help kid.

for fuks sake kid, read your first post in the thread, you dont need forum help, you need medical help. someone as smart as you should be able to cough up a couple hundred bucks for the help.

[Fernande]

i did.

you are mental, and because of shit like you we have a bad name, it is exactly people like you who destroy the whole community.

please go get help, all you are doing is broscience. you need bloodwork and a shrink. get professional help kid.

for fuks sake kid, read your first post in the thread, you dont need forum help, you need medical help. someone as smart as you should be able to cough up a couple hundred bucks for the help.

yadayadayada, fuk off kid

[tarmyg]

yadayadayada, fuk off kid

Ok, that's enough brother. Take a breather. Relax. Come back.

[Fernande]

Ok, that's enough brother. Take a breather. Relax. Come back.

Leave this thread. thanks.

[Fernande]

Any of the normal people wondering i decided to ditch the mast and lower test.

Gunne see how things move on from here.

New Protocol is gunne look like this.

200mg test week
zero masterone ofc
Arimidex 1/3 of the dose i was on earlier.


Incase i start bloating i'll increase the arimidex slightly.

I hope this will help with the anxiety and there will be smooth sailing from here on. To all the bashers, go do something instead of coming in here, i don't really need your advice.

To the guys giving advice on ditching mast, on dosing etc, thanks yet again.

<3

[Couchlockd]

Sir, I just came off a 18 week cycle
1-2 1000mg test
2-6 500 mg test
7-18 500mg test and 700mg mast e

At week 16 I was getting horrible horrible panick attacks, some so bad upon waking I'd take 2 steps and pass out.

I started mast prop at week 16 (replacing mast e 350x3 with prop 200x2)

Still pretty bad anxiety. Would have to take a Valium 10mg a day

As soon as I stopped mast. 3 days later I felt fine again.

I'm currently on 100mg test e 2x a week.

After this week I'm going to 75x2

It's the jolt of drugs causing you the issues. More is not better, I learned the hard way inspire knowing the whole time I was playing a little fast and loose

I'm not a dummy, I listen to guys like cousin, mooseman (my man ) and nr. BB, etc

I have in the past butted heads bad round here, but as I get more into this, I see the real issue I had was not wanting to hear what I didn't want to hear

I can tell you this, these guys advices, if anything , will keep you from seriously fucking up your health. At times you won't see outrageous cyce plans given the green light And encouraged like on other boards, but the reason is this.

They've done it, been through it, felt the squeeze from it, and truly want younger guys to not make the mistake's they have.

We all have lives busy jobs kids wives etc. Our time is precious, and for us and them to doend hours posting advice says alot.

Relax rethink and settle down some.

Believe it or not, your amongst friends.

[Capebuffalo]

Seems you didn’t want to take advise 2 months ago either.

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...like-shit.html

[Couchlockd]

Seems you didn’t want to take advise 2 months ago either.

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...like-shit.html

Cape, you got a memory of an elephant. And the patience of a monk to dig through our flawed search engine to find those posts.

Good work.

Seeing that old Post from 2 months ago really puts things into perspective about this members mindset and unwillingness to heed warning.

Definition of insanity: repeating the same actions or behaviour over and over again, but expecting different results.

[kelkel]

What else am i going to do, jump off cold turkey and go to the hospital? They will prescribe me SSRI and send me home, not an option.

Assume you've heard of pct?

[cousinmuscles]

Sir, I just came off a 18 week cycle
1-2 1000mg test
2-6 500 mg test
7-18 500mg test and 700mg mast e

At week 16 I was getting horrible horrible panick attacks, some so bad upon waking I'd take 2 steps and pass out.

I started mast prop at week 16 (replacing mast e 350x3 with prop 200x2)

Still pretty bad anxiety. Would have to take a Valium 10mg a day

As soon as I stopped mast. 3 days later I felt fine again.

I'm currently on 100mg test e 2x a week.

After this week I'm going to 75x2

It's the jolt of drugs causing you the issues. More is not better, I learned the hard way inspire knowing the whole time I was playing a little fast and loose

I'm not a dummy, I listen to guys like cousin, mooseman (my man ) and nr. BB, etc

I have in the past butted heads bad round here, but as I get more into this, I see the real issue I had was not wanting to hear what I didn't want to hear

I can tell you this, these guys advices, if anything , will keep you from seriously fucking up your health. At times you won't see outrageous cyce plans given the green light And encouraged like on other boards, but the reason is this.

They've done it, been through it, felt the squeeze from it, and truly want younger guys to not make the mistake's they have.

We all have lives busy jobs kids wives etc. Our time is precious, and for us and them to doend hours posting advice says alot.

Relax rethink and settle down some.

Believe it or not, your amongst friends.

Well said mate we all fuck things up even knowingly, my first cycle was 24 weeks long even though I stopped gaining in week 12 (last twelve weeks were being a retard lol). I not only lost all my gains from that, I was worse off, I had to train for months after PCT to get to the same strength level as I was before that cycle, and added a lot of fat. My second cycle I added 100mg anadrol daily on top of my test and kept going for 6 weeks even though the cramps were so bad in week 3 I couldn't do my whole workouts, sometimes not even flex for more than a couple seconds before twitching like crazy and having to droppar weights and stretch. I could barely eat more than 3300-3400 calories too (stomach didn't like anadrol) and had to use dense foods like PB, cheese, olive oil/flax oil. You just have to know when you fucked up and consider others perspectives. Looking back now I'm still scratching my head wondering what was I thinking.

Thanks for the compliment though I still consider myself a newbie. I always try to give advice based on facts anyone can verify in peer reviewed studies that have been published for quite a while and are still valid. If anything I just want to spread what I have learned from here and that is being in control of your health when using AAS responsibly and using them when you're supposed to.

[*Admin*]

yadayadayada, fuk off kid

Consider this a warning...as stated you need to check yourself before posting from time to time take a breather...

I will not tolerate it much... attitude is not good and you have no reason to tell anyone to leave a thread at all... nicely or not...

Respect

*admin*