critique my first tren e cycle

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07-13-2018, 12:52 AM
lirenguoke

critique my first tren e cycle

Hi all, I'm planning my next (6th) cycle, which would be at the end of this year. I'll be trying tren e for the first time for this bulking cycle.

1-16wk test c 500mg/wk
1-12wk tren e 300-400/wk
1-8wk dbol 50mg ed

Arimidex 0.25mg eod
hcg 500mg/wk
Caber just in case

17-20wk
PCT
Option 1
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/50

or

Option 2 (I tried torem+clomid for pct last cycle, and it worked really well. Way better than my previous pct with nolva actually)
Torem 120/100/60/60
Clomid 75/50/50/50

How does it look? Thanks!
07-13-2018, 02:58 AM
Reborn747

Cant use hcg that long

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07-13-2018, 03:15 AM
Windex

Quote:

Originally Posted by lirenguoke

Hi all, I'm planning my next (6th) cycle, which would be at the end of this year. I'll be trying tren e for the first time for this bulking cycle.

1-16wk test c 500mg/wk
1-12wk tren e 300-400/wk
1-8wk dbol 50mg ed

Arimidex 0.25mg eod
hcg 500mg/wk
Caber just in case

17-20wk
PCT
Option 1
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/50

or

Option 2 (I tried torem+clomid for pct last cycle, and it worked really well. Way better than my previous pct with nolva actually)
Torem 120/100/60/60
Clomid 75/50/50/50

How does it look? Thanks!

What is your age, height, weight, body fat?

Goals for cycle ?

Use caber, don't keep it just in case.

Drop the dbol.

Tren Ace for first time. If sides are problematic you want it out of your system asap.

What's your nutrition program going to look like based on your goals? can you give complete meal breakdown.

You don't need that much test with 400mg of Tren. Even a 300/300 split would be great.
07-13-2018, 08:31 AM
lirenguoke

27, 5'4, 160lbs, ~12% bf, cutting rn. This is a bulking cycle obviously. Haven't got a detailed meal plan done yet coz I won't be running the cycle till several months later. But I'll be eating 500-800 cal above my TDEE depending on my stats when I start.

About tren a, my concern is my body didn't react well to short esters before. Got frequent flu-like symptoms whenever I ran short esters.

So yea maybe I should start with 300 test c and 300 tren for starters.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windex

What is your age, height, weight, body fat?

Goals for cycle ?

Use caber, don't keep it just in case.

Drop the dbol.

Tren Ace for first time. If sides are problematic you want it out of your system asap.

What's your nutrition program going to look like based on your goals? can you give complete meal breakdown.

You don't need that much test with 400mg of Tren. Even a 300/300 split would be great.
07-13-2018, 08:35 AM
diesel101

Definitely cut down on the dosage for the first time. If your body doesn't handle short esters very well do not jump into tren e for the first time. If tren a doesn't work for you I would not try tren e, like Windex said it will take longer to get it out of your system if it doesn't work out.
07-13-2018, 08:38 AM
HDThunder

I'm running Tren E at 300mg/wk. right now. First time usage. All was great until this week. (4 weeks today) Can't sleep worth a shit and having bad mental sides. Stopping the Tren. So if you're hell bent on running Tren E I'd say start real low dose. See how you deal with maybe 150mg/wk. I'll be dealing with the sides for the next couple of weeks until it clears I think.

If I do get stupid and try Tren again it will absolutely be Tren A.
07-13-2018, 09:12 AM
lirenguoke

Maybe I'll give tren a a try then. Would 100mg eod + test c @ 300mg/wk work?

Quote:

Originally Posted by diesel101

Definitely cut down on the dosage for the first time. If your body doesn't handle short esters very well do not jump into tren e for the first time. If tren a doesn't work for you I would not try tren e, like Windex said it will take longer to get it out of your system if it doesn't work out.
07-13-2018, 09:15 AM
lirenguoke

What mental sides are you dealing with? Maybe I'll just go with tren a this time. I mean it's easier to deal with flu-like symptoms lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by HDThunder

I'm running Tren E at 300mg/wk. right now. First time usage. All was great until this week. (4 weeks today) Can't sleep worth a shit and having bad mental sides. Stopping the Tren. So if you're hell bent on running Tren E I'd say start real low dose. See how you deal with maybe 150mg/wk. I'll be dealing with the sides for the next couple of weeks until it clears I think.

If I do get stupid and try Tren again it will absolutely be Tren A.
07-13-2018, 09:20 AM
HDThunder

Quote:

Originally Posted by lirenguoke

What mental sides are you dealing with? Maybe I'll just go with tren a this time. I mean it's easier to deal with flu-like symptoms lol

Hard to explain. I'm normally pretty stable... I think. lol Have weird paranoid thoughts and anxiety. Made my poor girlfriend cry the other night talking some crazy shit to her that had no basis in reality. And not sleeping is making me crazy. I'd take some flu like symptoms over this.

For me anyway, Tren seems to be evil. Love the physical effects but the sides are too much for me. At least at this dosage.
07-13-2018, 09:39 AM
diesel101

Quote:

Originally Posted by lirenguoke

Maybe I'll give tren a a try then. Would 100mg eod + test c @ 300mg/wk work?

I personally run my tren and test at the same dosage but everyone is different on how their body responds.
I would not go over 300 mg per week to start with i would personally start with 75 eod of tren to see how you handle it. You can always increase it later on.
07-13-2018, 09:52 AM
Windex

Quote:

Originally Posted by lirenguoke

27, 5'4, 160lbs, ~12% bf, cutting rn. This is a bulking cycle obviously. Haven't got a detailed meal plan done yet coz I won't be running the cycle till several months later. But I'll be eating 500-800 cal above my TDEE depending on my stats when I start.

About tren a, my concern is my body didn't react well to short esters before. Got frequent flu-like symptoms whenever I ran short esters.

So yea maybe I should start with 300 test c and 300 tren for starters.

What is your current meal plan?

If you are side sensitive then that is more reason to not use Tren E. Esters really only affect release time more than anything. You may have had a bad reaction depending on the oils used. Some people do not handle Ethyl Oleate which might have been used. Could have also been the lab. Wouldn't really attribute the ester to cause flu.

Remember that Tren has 5x the anabolic and androgenic rating of Test. 300mg of Tren is "equivalent" to 1500mg of Test. Even 200mg of Tren and 300mg of Test can produce great results provided training and nutrition are in check.

Side effects are going to be individualized so I wouldn't overly concern yourself with what other people experience. Also a common mistake people make if they see no side effects they assume their gear is bunk or underdosed. Personally speaking, I've never gotten insomnia, sweats, or tren cough. I do however get some intense dreams/nightmares "shrug".
07-13-2018, 10:05 AM
The Deadlifting Dog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reborn747

Cant use hcg that long

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nope you are wrong.
hCG can be run indefinitely at 500iu a week.
just don't use during or after PCT.
07-13-2018, 10:06 AM
The Deadlifting Dog

Quote:

Originally Posted by lirenguoke

Hi all, I'm planning my next (6th) cycle, which would be at the end of this year. I'll be trying tren e for the first time for this bulking cycle.

1-16wk test c 500mg/wk
1-12wk tren e 300-400/wk
1-8wk dbol 50mg ed

Arimidex 0.25mg eod
hcg 500mg/wk
Caber just in case

17-20wk
PCT
Option 1
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/50

or

Option 2 (I tried torem+clomid for pct last cycle, and it worked really well. Way better than my previous pct with nolva actually)
Torem 120/100/60/60
Clomid 75/50/50/50

How does it look? Thanks!

just run 500 test and 200 tren IMHO.
07-13-2018, 10:29 PM
lirenguoke

What do you think if I run 500 test c/wk and 75 tren a eod, and then jump to 100 if I'm feeling fine after about 3 wk?

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

just run 500 test and 200 tren IMHO.
07-13-2018, 10:34 PM
lirenguoke

Meal plan looks like this
Meal 1 - 9 oz - Egg whites, 7.5 oz - Potato, 1.5 oz - Almonds, 3/4 cup - Carrots
Workout
Meal 2 - 4 oz - Pork, 7.5 oz - Potato, 3/4 cup - Bell Peppers
Meal 3 - 2.5 oz - Salmon, 4.5 oz - Sweet Potato, 1.5 oz - Almonds, 3/4 cup - Carrots
Meal 4 - 2.5 oz - Salmon, 1 oz - Jasmine Rice, 1.5 oz - Peanuts, 3/4 cup - Mushrooms
Meal 5 - 4 oz - Pork, 1 oz - Olive Oil, 3/4 cup - Bell Peppers
Meal 6 - 4 oz - Chicken, 1.5 oz - Almonds, 3/4 cup - Lettuce

So you think I wouldn't need as much test as before? I usually do 500mg/wk of test e. But I guess tren would make up for that 200mg difference of test?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windex

What is your current meal plan?

If you are side sensitive then that is more reason to not use Tren E. Esters really only affect release time more than anything. You may have had a bad reaction depending on the oils used. Some people do not handle Ethyl Oleate which might have been used. Could have also been the lab. Wouldn't really attribute the ester to cause flu.

Remember that Tren has 5x the anabolic and androgenic rating of Test. 300mg of Tren is "equivalent" to 1500mg of Test. Even 200mg of Tren and 300mg of Test can produce great results provided training and nutrition are in check.

Side effects are going to be individualized so I wouldn't overly concern yourself with what other people experience. Also a common mistake people make if they see no side effects they assume their gear is bunk or underdosed. Personally speaking, I've never gotten insomnia, sweats, or tren cough. I do however get some intense dreams/nightmares "shrug".
07-13-2018, 10:35 PM
lirenguoke

So you agree I should drop dbol too? May I ask why? I got pretty nice results from my test e + dbol cycle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

just run 500 test and 200 tren IMHO.
07-13-2018, 10:36 PM
lirenguoke

Oh damn lol okay flu-like symptoms it is lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by HDThunder

Hard to explain. I'm normally pretty stable... I think. lol Have weird paranoid thoughts and anxiety. Made my poor girlfriend cry the other night talking some crazy shit to her that had no basis in reality. And not sleeping is making me crazy. I'd take some flu like symptoms over this.

For me anyway, Tren seems to be evil. Love the physical effects but the sides are too much for me. At least at this dosage.
07-13-2018, 10:37 PM
lirenguoke

forgot to ask. Why should I drop dbol? Wouldn't it help the bulking more?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windex

What is your age, height, weight, body fat?

Goals for cycle ?

Use caber, don't keep it just in case.

Drop the dbol.

Tren Ace for first time. If sides are problematic you want it out of your system asap.

What's your nutrition program going to look like based on your goals? can you give complete meal breakdown.

You don't need that much test with 400mg of Tren. Even a 300/300 split would be great.
07-14-2018, 04:19 AM
Windex

Quote:

Originally Posted by lirenguoke

forgot to ask. Why should I drop dbol? Wouldn't it help the bulking more?

Bulking comes from diet. Your meal plan listed is above average but without knowing your TDEE hard to comment further. Steak would be better over pork though.

An all too common mistake is people always want more drugs to reach goals.

You don't want other compounds with tren the first time because you need to see how your body reacts to it. It is not a forgiving compound. Other compounds look like flinstone gummy vitamins compared to it (except halo)

Again as I said before, Tren has FIVE TIMES the anabolic rating and androgenic rating of test - it is one of the most strongest compound.

If you can't see results on tren then your diet and training are wrong and no amount of other drug will help.

Think of this way 500mg of test and 200mg of tren is "equivalent" to 1000mg of Test and 300/300 is equivalent to "1800mg". Do you think Dbol is going to make a difference if you were on 1800mg of test every week?
07-14-2018, 08:52 AM
lirenguoke

Good point. Glad I asked lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windex

Bulking comes from diet. Your meal plan listed is above average but without knowing your TDEE hard to comment further. Steak would be better over pork though.

An all too common mistake is people always want more drugs to reach goals.

You don't want other compounds with tren the first time because you need to see how your body reacts to it. It is not a forgiving compound. Other compounds look like flinstone gummy vitamins compared to it (except halo)

Again as I said before, Tren has FIVE TIMES the anabolic rating and androgenic rating of test - it is one of the most strongest compound.

If you can't see results on tren then your diet and training are wrong and no amount of other drug will help.

Think of this way 500mg of test and 200mg of tren is "equivalent" to 1000mg of Test and 300/300 is equivalent to "1800mg". Do you think Dbol is going to make a difference if you were on 1800mg of test every week?