First Ever Cycle - Advice is Appreciated

Hello, I hope you all are having a good day.

I am going to run my first cycle and just wanted to check everything over and what I've read / gathered. It consists of TEST E 250 and I was thinking to run some dbol maybe after 2 weeks to see how I first tolerate the test e, as I heard some people have reactions to different compounds and if I ran them at the same time I wouldn't know which is giving me issues if I get any. I have liver supplements just incase I run the dbol but I probably won't run this on my first cycle.

So should TEST E be front loaded 500mg first week on Monday but every week after that it will be pinned twice weekly? Once on Monday 250mg and once on Thursday evening 250mg? Does this sound correct? Is it correct to also pin 250iu of pregnyl HCG every time I pin the TEST E? Or is it once a week 250iu? Or is it ED? I also have arimidex, aromasin. How much and often would you say to take these?

PCT should start 14 days after the last Test E pin right? I have Nolva, Clomid. How much and how often should I take these and should I only take these during pct? Also should I still be taking hcg 250iu during pct?

The cycle is planned to be 12 weeks max, is this too long? Diet and training will help in keeping as much gains as possible but any other advice?

I greatly appreciate any advice/experience you vets can provide. I was just wanting to know if the plan for running the cycle correctly is correct.

You are only 22. Too early for drugs

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No need to front load.

Take it slowly n easy, especially at your age.

I've come to conclusion guys, there's no point in chasing off younger guys, as not many of us waited

I'd rather give the advice asked for instead if bucking heads.

You seem like a polite young man.... much like me;)

You must understand the risks of embarking upon this path. It COULD cause you to suffer from erectile dysfunction. It COULD cause you to suffer from Depression (these can be short or long term effects)
You very well Could damage your test production and end up like me as a 19 year old that will be injecting testosterone for the rest of my life.

I suggest you read the links posted and re Evaluate your decision.

Good luck

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Originally Posted by Couchlockd

No need to front load.

Take it slowly n easy, especially at your age.

I've come to conclusion guys, there's no point in chasing off younger guys, as not many of us waited

I'd rather give the advice asked for instead if bucking heads.

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Knowing the maturity level and the risks involved I'd rather not support their decision, it may come off as bucking heads to some but only if they decide to believe I didn't have good intentions. After all for this threads questions are answered in the stickies, not really a heroic effort to find the answers lol. A consequence of supporting their decision is also that the community becomes a place where too young people are advised on how to mess themselves up.

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Originally Posted by Couchlockd

I've come to conclusion guys, there's no point in chasing off younger guys, as not many of us waited

I'd rather give the advice asked for instead if bucking heads.

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Hey, thats great! Im going to throw myself of a cliff, should I go head or feet first?

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Originally Posted by Couchlockd

No need to front load.

Take it slowly n easy, especially at your age.

I've come to conclusion guys, there's no point in chasing off younger guys, as not many of us waited

I'd rather give the advice asked for instead if bucking heads.

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I go back and forth on this. 99% are going to do it anyways. Are you going to have 99% do it wrong because they cannot get the proper information in order to try and save the other 1%?
But then again, if you just say "you are too young" you remove yourself from the situation.
It is the classic ethical quandary: If you are on a train that is about to hit an object on one track coming up killing 100 people on the train, or you can flip a switch and kill an old lady on the other track but save 100 people.
One way you murdered someone, the other you didn't. Most ethics professors will say it is worse to murder someone, than to do nothing and let 100 people die. But there is really no right answer to the question.

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Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer

I go back and forth on this. 99% are going to do it anyways. Are you going to have 99% do it wrong because they cannot get the proper information in order to try and save the other 1%?
But then again, if you just say "you are too young" you remove yourself from the situation.
It is the classic ethical quandary: If you are on a train that is about to hit an object on one track coming up killing 100 people on the train, or you can flip a switch and kill an old lady on the other track but save 100 people.
One way you murdered someone, the other you didn't. Most ethics professors will say it is worse to murder someone, than to do nothing and let 100 people die. But there is really no right answer to the question.

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This argument isn't bad but the analogy is wrong. If they mess up with their AI or anything like that is a minor issue. Even a PCT is just a kickstart to natural recovery, that will take longer than the PCT. What's worse is that no recovery is possible and they end up messing themselves up and spend years with serious issues like ED, no energy, bad mood, all during crucial times of their lives. To the threadstarter do you understand what this means?

Another problem is with that age group is you give advice and they don't follow it anyway. They haven't spent the years learning how to train and eat and figure out if they have a passion for this. Then a year after the cycle they dont even go to the gym anymore. What is there to help with? Repeat the basic info from the stickies...

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Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer

I go back and forth on this. 99% are going to do it anyways. Are you going to have 99% do it wrong because they cannot get the proper information in order to try and save the other 1%?
But then again, if you just say "you are too young" you remove yourself from the situation.
It is the classic ethical quandary: If you are on a train that is about to hit an object on one track coming up killing 100 people on the train, or you can flip a switch and kill an old lady on the other track but save 100 people.
One way you murdered someone, the other you didn't. Most ethics professors will say it is worse to murder someone, than to do nothing and let 100 people die. But there is really no right answer to the question.

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Has been quite a while since I studied ethics/philosophy but isn't it that murdering one person is worse because you take part in that action vs not taking part and let it happen, the theory behind this is that if individuals start justifying an evil act based on what they perceive as making the sum of bad things in the world less, it opens up for endless evil acts to be committed in the belief that it is for the greater good... I agree on that stance.

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Originally Posted by cousinmuscles

This argument isn't bad but the analogy is wrong. If they mess up with their AI or anything like that is a minor issue. Even a PCT is just a kickstart to natural recovery, that will take longer than the PCT. What's worse is that no recovery is possible and they end up messing themselves up and spend years with serious issues like ED, no energy, bad mood, all during crucial times of their lives. To the threadstarter do you understand what this means?

Another problem is with that age group is you give advice and they don't follow it anyway. They haven't spent the years learning how to train and eat and figure out if they have a passion for this. Then a year after the cycle they dont even go to the gym anymore. What is there to help with? Repeat the basic info from the stickies...

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There is another thing (which they try to quantify but I dont actually think is possible) in ethics, where you weigh the amount of pain (pain being any negative emotion) your decision causes to the amount of pleasure (pleasure being any positive emotion). Where all decisions should be made accordingly,
Does doing a lot of "little bit of good", outweigh a little "lot of good"? Are you tipping the scale towards good if you do a lot of "little bit of good" versus a little "lot of harm"? Etc.
Like I said, impossible to quantify accurately, and there is no right answer. Just personal preference.
If 99% (a number which is embellished to simplify the arguement) are going to do it anyways, you do a little good helping with a proper cycle (but the sum adds up to a lot). 1% (another embellished number) who would have not done it otherwise gets harmed a lot.
vs you dont help
99% do a bad cycle (a lot of little harm), 1% never does a cycle (a little bit, but a lot of good).
This is why I say I like math and science. There is a clear answer, no philosophy required.

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Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Hey, thats great! Im going to throw myself of a cliff, should I go head or feet first?

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Hands in your pockets and head first:icon_roll

I'm just saying, if a guy buys a gun, at the range, first time out, do you let him fumble around, muzzle sweeping everyone with a live weapon. Just tell him he should own it and never should have bought it, or at least show him how to properly handle it so he doesn't shoot himself or others on accident?

You should ask questions about diet/exercise till 25.Then ask about drugs.Regardless : 14 days post last inj.-75/50/50/50 clomid / 40/20/20/20 tamoxifen both ED.Pct=/ 100% recovery at your age.

Edit:14 days not weeks*

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Originally Posted by usernamewastaken

You should ask questions about diet/exercise till 25.Then ask about drugs.Regardless : 14 weeks post inj.-75/50/50/50 clomid / 40/20/20/20 tamoxifen both ED.Pct=/ 100% recovery at your age.

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I wouldn't guarantee 100% recovery.

We can be realistic. You may or may not recover 100%. It's a 50\50 chance.

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Originally Posted by Couchlockd

I wouldn't guarantee 100% recovery.

We can be realistic. You may or may not recover 100%. It's a 50\50 chance.

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As i said: =/ 100%(=/ is not)

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Originally Posted by usernamewastaken

Pct=/ 100% recovery at your age.

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Originally Posted by Couchlockd

Hands in your pockets and head first:icon_roll

I'm just saying, if a guy buys a gun, at the range, first time out, do you let him fumble around, muzzle sweeping everyone with a live weapon. Just tell him he should own it and never should have bought it, or at least show him how to properly handle it so he doesn't shoot himself or others on accident?

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Whats wrong in your analogy is that here he still didnt buy the gun (not started yet)

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Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Whats wrong in your analogy is that here he still didnt buy the gun (not started yet)

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Ok I stand corrected.

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Originally Posted by Mr.BB

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I meant =/ 100% as in recovery is NOT 100% sure.

22 is a little young to start. I would wait till 24 at a bare minimum, 25 is suggested though. You still have a little bit of development you'll be messing up.

You also still have a little bit more reading to do before asking about a cycle. Although I don't see anything technically wrong with using test then dbol later, you would definitely need to use test for longer to see how you react to it. At least 4-6 weeks. And as far as I know, dbol is best at the beginning of a cycle, not the end. So I would just do dbol in the 2nd cycle.

That being said, I would wait 2-3 years before your first cycle