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    Same cycle significantly less results

    I am 6 weeks into my 2nd cycle (450cyp, 300deca, 40dbol week1-4) on my first cycle i had crazy results going from 138-184 on a 12 week run. Took 16 weeks off and dropped to 170-173 while continuing my diet and workout plan as when i was on. I am running the same now as i did my first but literally no results. Same gear as i had enough for 3 cycles from the start. Any help is much appreciated. Sorry if itís a repeat thread!

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    Can you post your exact nutrition meal plan ? What is your TDEE ? Cycling at 138 is a pretty big red flag. And gaining that much weight means mostly water/bloat

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    I take in anywhere form 3500-4000cal. I know 138 isn’t the ideal size to cycle but i feel like it was he only option. No matter how much i would eat i would get zero results. I think the heaviest i got was 143ish I’m 27 at 6’0” lift 5-6 days a week.

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    You sound like you was in no position to start a cycle to be fair and most probably all you are doing is maintaining what you could of done with a solid diet in place before you cycled.

    The cycle was way to much and is still to heavy for your 2nd cycle.

    The more weight you add the diet and training has to increase, all what your doing is maintaining with your current diet and training program, even though you think you have increased it to support new tissue you haven't, this is maintenance so you need to increase the diet and increase the intensity otherwise its pointless in taking steroids . That's if your gear is legit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gainz91 View Post
    I am 6 weeks into my 2nd cycle (450cyp, 300deca, 40dbol week1-4) on my first cycle i had crazy results going from 138-184 on a 12 week run. Took 16 weeks off and dropped to 170-173 while continuing my diet and workout plan as when i was on. I am running the same now as i did my first but literally no results. Same gear as i had enough for 3 cycles from the start. Any help is much appreciated. Sorry if it’s a repeat thread!
    Quote Originally Posted by Gainz91 View Post
    I take in anywhere form 3500-4000cal. I know 138 isn’t the ideal size to cycle but i feel like it was he only option. No matter how much i would eat i would get zero results. I think the heaviest i got was 143ish I’m 27 at 6’0” lift 5-6 days a week.
    This just doesn't add up. You don't gain 46 pounds of muscle in 12 weeks. Gaining that amount of fat would require competitive eating capabilities. As mentioned above something is wrong with your diet and training. Don't skip the whole learning process, you can make the same gains to well over 180lbs with abs at your height without AAS, skip the learning process and you end up where you are now, not knowing what/how/why.

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    Same cycle significantly less results-0624dcb3-4c38-4221-a7ef-423ac0292385.jpeg


    That was start at 138 to week 12 at 184

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    if you want to get bigger then you need to eat more.

    however, if your are taking 40mg dbol 450 test and 300 deca and not putting on any water weight then your gear is bunk.

    you're cycle is more advanced than it needs to be.

    more food and less steroids

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    That’s what I’m not understanding I’m literally running the same gear as i purchased in a 3 cycle bulk. Workout and food ethic hasn’t changed, i do see where i need to increase food intake but i feel like i should be creeping up to the 180mark by now. Thanks for the advise guys i really appreciate any and all i can get.

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    In my opinion, if you aren't gaining weight, eat more. Increase your caloric intake by 500 calories each week until you're gaining. If your diet isn't where it needs to be, steroids won't help you much. Your body needs that raw material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gainz91 View Post
    That’s what I’m not understanding I’m literally running the same gear as i purchased in a 3 cycle bulk. Workout and food ethic hasn’t changed, i do see where i need to increase food intake but i feel like i should be creeping up to the 180mark by now. Thanks for the advise guys i really appreciate any and all i can get.
    If you have more lean mass now, then your caloric requirements will have increased. As you get bigger, you need to continue eating more and more. For folks like you, this might be the hardest part. For folks like me, not getting fat is the hardest part.

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    If everybody gainz as in 1st cycle some of us would be 500lbs.

    Hope you can recover well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gainz91 View Post
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    That was start at 138 to week 12 at 184
    I bet from looking at your previous pic, even before cycling you were a hard gainer. And now that you have added significant weigh to your frame. Your TDEE is higher than it was before. Whatever you are eating you should consider that maintenance level. Add 500 more calories a day, basically one more meal a day and see where you are at after a week. That should allow you to gain a pound a week, then reevaluate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gainz91 View Post
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    That was start at 138 to week 12 at 184
    You need to read all the diet and nutrition stickies, atleast TWICE. It's clear you don't know how to feed your body. If you don't fix your diet yesterday then you are going to go right back to the first pic with nothing to show except an empty wallet and a lot of wasted time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    If everybody gainz as in 1st cycle some of us would be 500lbs.

    Hope you can recover well.
    I was gonna post same thing. First cycle is always best

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