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    Cycle versus TRT

    Hi all

    I've read in places including here that time off cycle should mirror time on

    I am having difficulty waiting on my next cycle so I'm thinking of doing away with PCT altogether and going for the TRT option in-between cycles that I have been reading about

    My rationale is, I have low T anyway so I'm thinking TRT would be the better option for me anyway as PCT isn't really restoring anything as it's not there to begin with

    Can anyone state the clear differences between a typical cycle and a typical TRT so I know what to take when my cycle finishes

    For info, my cycle will be andropen 275 1.5ml every 4 days

    Thanks

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    TRT is not a cycle it's a lifelong commitment that will run you $1000+ per year for the rest of your life. It should be a last option, not a cop out because you don't have the mental discipline to wait a few months before cycling. On top of that, low T can be caused by a variety of problems, so trying to self-diagnose thinking Test injections is the right treatment is well, not a smart idea. Bloodwork and investigation partnered with a Doctor will determine whether or not TRT is viable for you.

    Like Sustanon , Adropen is a poor compound choice for cycling because it's a mix of short and long estered testosterone .
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    Basically after blast, you will use just enough test per week to put you in healthy adult test level range.

    That would be anywhere from 100-250mg a week.

    A good starting point without bloidwork to tell you levels is 150 per week of cyp or enanthate .

    Andropen and sust. Are poor choices across the board, from cycling to trt.

    You will go to trt levels long enough to put cholesterol and liver values into healthy ranges, as the blast doses will cause unhealthy levels of both

    But really weigh your options here.

    Let's say you blast and cruise for 2 years (8-10 week blasts, and 8 week cruise {trt} )

    Then decide to stop and go natural, well what you thought you were low before, you might not ever even recover to that level again

    The longer you shut down, the harder it is to restart your hpta. Or even impossible.

    And there's more than meets the eye than testosterone levels , much much much more.

    How old are you?
    What is your "low T" level?

    I was 384ng before ever touching a hormone. And even though it's considered low, I functioned just fine with it, had energy, was able to loose more weight than I weigh now (255lbs down to 135 natural.. I'm 165 now as result if steroids )

    I experienced 0 symptoms if low t with low t. Some people can function perfectly fine with lower than ideal T.

    Think hard my friend
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    Basically after blast, you will use just enough test per week to put you in healthy adult test level range.

    That would be anywhere from 100-250mg a week.

    A good starting point without bloidwork to tell you levels is 150 per week of cyp or enanthate .

    Andropen and sust. Are poor choices across the board, from cycling to trt.

    You will go to trt levels long enough to put cholesterol and liver values into healthy ranges, as the blast doses will cause unhealthy levels of both

    But really weigh your options here.

    Let's say you blast and cruise for 2 years (8-10 week blasts, and 8 week cruise {trt} )

    Then decide to stop and go natural, well what you thought you were low before, you might not ever even recover to that level again

    The longer you shut down, the harder it is to restart your hpta. Or even impossible.

    And there's more than meets the eye than testosterone levels , much much much more.

    How old are you?
    What is your "low T" level?

    I was 384ng before ever touching a hormone. And even though it's considered low, I functioned just fine with it, had energy, was able to loose more weight than I weigh now (255lbs down to 135 natural.. I'm 165 now as result if steroids )

    I experienced 0 symptoms if low t with low t. Some people can function perfectly fine with lower than ideal T.

    Think hard my friend
    Couch firstly thanks for your empathetic and informative reply, instead of just calling me stupid even though I'm clearly a novice.

    I'm 42
    Awaiting bloods on Monday
    Symptoms of low T depression, low energy, low libido, lethargy.

    When I ran a cycle I felt like a new man, I instinctively knew I'd switched something on inside me

    It's unlikely in going to have kids further down the line anyway, so I don't see natural levels being needed any time soon.

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    If you're going to TRT get it prescribed. You don't want to rely on bathtub brew stuff twice per week, hoping your source still delivers. Not to mention sources come and go, and if they mess up you can get an infection. If you don't treat it you can lose a muscle. UGL gear uses substandard raws which are contaminated with heavy metals. If you happen to get arrested (even when you are innocent) and in jail for a longer period, do you ask the cops to bring you your gear from your stash in your home? The list goes on, it is a bad idea and you won't have a professional monitoring necessary parameters.

    Don't get set on any particular dosage from heresay. Read studies on hypogonadism treatment and why various dosages (with various esters) are used and why, you'll see why you'd rather have a doctor work with you and you'll understand why pretty much most people who "blast and cruise" have no clue what they are doing and in all likelihood never done bloods to figure things out.

    You can get kids on TRT/cycle, HCG maintains spermatogenesis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15713727

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    If you're going to TRT get it prescribed. You don't want to rely on bathtub brew stuff twice per week, hoping your source still delivers. Not to mention sources come and go, and if they mess up you can get an infection. If you don't treat it you can lose a muscle. UGL gear uses substandard raws which are contaminated with heavy metals. If you happen to get arrested (even when you are innocent) and in jail for a longer period, do you ask the cops to bring you your gear from your stash in your home? The list goes on, it is a bad idea and you won't have a professional monitoring necessary parameters.

    Don't get set on any particular dosage from heresay. Read studies on hypogonadism treatment and why various dosages (with various esters) are used and why, you'll see why you'd rather have a doctor work with you and you'll understand why pretty much most people who "blast and cruise" have no clue what they are doing and in all likelihood never done bloods to figure things out.

    You can get kids on TRT/cycle, HCG maintains spermatogenesis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15713727
    The one point of getting arrested.

    THAT IS PROBABLY THE BEST ARGUMENT I've heard for the reason to become legit TRT scripted. That and the heavy metals aspect.

    I often panic at the though of going to jail and having to go through that, that's why it is important to get legal.

    Can you honest imagine that scenario? Fucking scary
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    The one point of getting arrested.

    THAT IS PROBABLY THE BEST ARGUMENT I've heard for the reason to become legit TRT scripted. That and the heavy metals aspect.

    I often panic at the though of going to jail and having to go through that, that's why it is important to get legal.

    Can you honest imagine that scenario? Fucking scary
    Never really thought about that. I feel LE are more eager to catch distributors then users , especially if you aren’t ordering a shit ton. I’m a good person , pay my
    Bills , stay out of trouble sooo keeping healthy with TRT shouldn’t be something I’d worry about with the cops. I can definitely see jay being scary as shit though


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT View Post
    Never really thought about that. I feel LE are more eager to catch distributors then users , especially if you aren’t ordering a shit ton. I’m a good person , pay my
    Bills , stay out of trouble sooo keeping healthy with TRT shouldn’t be something I’d worry about with the cops. I can definitely see jay being scary as shit though


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    What we mean is something out if sorts unrelated to steroids at all.

    Like a domestic argument, cops get called, in jail

    You can't have the cops it medical in jail bring you test if not scripted.

    Or some other insane twist of faith that gets you locked up till exonerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    If you're going to TRT get it prescribed. You don't want to rely on bathtub brew stuff twice per week, hoping your source still delivers. Not to mention sources come and go, and if they mess up you can get an infection. If you don't treat it you can lose a muscle. UGL gear uses substandard raws which are contaminated with heavy metals. If you happen to get arrested (even when you are innocent) and in jail for a longer period, do you ask the cops to bring you your gear from your stash in your home? The list goes on, it is a bad idea and you won't have a professional monitoring necessary parameters.

    Don't get set on any particular dosage from heresay. Read studies on hypogonadism treatment and why various dosages (with various esters) are used and why, you'll see why you'd rather have a doctor work with you and you'll understand why pretty much most people who "blast and cruise" have no clue what they are doing and in all likelihood never done bloods to figure things out.

    You can get kids on TRT/cycle, HCG maintains spermatogenesis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15713727
    I'm in UK. IPEDs aren't illegal to possess, only distribution.

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