Why different recommendations starting AI?

**balance** · 08-17-2018, 08:32 PM

I have read the stickies several times and understand the reasoning for the strong recommendation of taking an AI (arimidex .25 eod) however the sticky also states to begin this at the same time (or day after) the initial test injection. However in a lot of other threads that I have been reading many of the veteran posters here (who seem very knowledgeable) recommend beginning the AI a few weeks (to me I am reading a few weeks as maybe around 14-21 day mark) after beginning the cycle. What is the reasoning behind delaying the AI start vs beginning the AI right off the bat within the first week of test injection?

PS I'm not trying to open a long debate here just would like to know the reasoning behind the different suggestions.

Thank you

**kelkel** · 08-17-2018, 09:21 PM

All personal opinion. Basically, test will peak in 24-48 hours post injection which is why the sticky recommends to start rather quickly. Estrogen naturally follows testosterones peak but at a slower rate. Due to this slower rise some suggest to start somewhat later. Imho a week is about the latest I would wait. In 2 or 3 weeks you could have quite a high estrogen level. Not that it's going to harm you in such a short period or cause gyno there is just no need to allow it to elevate that much.

**Couchlockd** · 08-17-2018, 09:59 PM

The reason why there's so much confusion over cycling and when to start what is because there is never been any actual medical study on steroid use for performance enhancement

All we have is anecdotal user stories and what other people experienced we never had a person sit down with a medical doctor or group and map exactly how a 12 week 16 week 24 week for year-long cycle or steroid use should be carried out

We have no real scientific data based on how we use these compounds we have scientific data on the individual compounds themselves but not an actual mass building muscle making steroid cycle we have to piece together different research different clinical trials on different drugs and try to make the best with what we have in the most educated and informed guess

**balance** · 08-20-2018, 03:37 PM

Excellent thank you for the information KelKel and Couchlocked. That makes sense. I was thinking with esters such as cypionate or enanthate that holding off a couple days from initial injection for first AI dose might be fine considering the longer halflife of theses compounds. Probably not a big deal either way and the sticky just lays it out as simply as possible to have better adherence.

Thank you

**Ashop** · 08-20-2018, 05:17 PM

I know some guys who start their AI's the day they begin the cycle (to prevent any problems initially) and I know guys who wait until they think they need an AI and I think that's the wrong approach. If you use it correctly, you wont need much at all. People often wait until problems appear and then throw down massive dosages that causes crashed estrogen and hosts of other problems.

**Alfredo111** · 08-22-2018, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by ALIN

I know some guys who start their AI's the day they begin the cycle (to prevent any problems initially) and I know guys who wait until they think they need an AI and I think that's the wrong approach. If you use it correctly, you wont need much at all. People often wait until problems appear and then throw down massive dosages that causes crashed estrogen and hosts of other problems.

So ,what is the last opinion of using AI ?! Iam in my 5th week of test prop 150mg eod , boldenone 600/week , should i start AI now or iam too late? If i should start AI , what is preferred? Aromasin or Arimidex and what are the doses? Many thanx

**Quester** · 08-22-2018, 07:06 PM

You should already be taking an AI so, unless your cycle is finished, it is not to late.

**Mma67** · 08-23-2018, 12:18 PM

You need to be taking an ai. I recommend taking it from the beginning. I waited to take it on my current cycle and within a week I had symptoms of gyno. I believe over time I have become more sensitive - not sure if this is common but in my previous cycles I felt like I was good, waited to take an ai, or took a Low dose and experienced slightly elevated estrogen. Now If I wait I seem to get gyno symptoms fairly quick... it started with just itchy nips, then sensitive nips, now it’s just a small lump that forms of my e2 is high. Luckily for me it’s gone away, but I know now that I will grow titties if I don’t control it.

It’s just better to take it, and personally, I’d rather crash my e2 than deal with Gyno. Just stick to arimidex , unless you have problems then I would go the aromasin route but that may not be necessary.