First tren cycle, need advice

I'm fairly lean, 70kgs . 12%bf. 5'9.
5 cycles under belt & once slin only cycle.

I decided to try tren this time and this is how my cycle looks, im already 3 weeks into it

Week 1-3 - Tren A 75mg EOD / Test E 300mg EW
Week 4-6 - Tren A 75mg ED / Test E 150 mg EW

Now here's my issue. I can experience strength gain as i after a long time (2 years) started working out again and within 3 weeks i can lift what i was able to at my peak.
I'm having ZERO sides, which means im lucky or my gear is fake, its yellow in color. Bought it from ex Gym Instructor , himself used the same stuff during comp. (at least thats what he said) I can assure he wont cheat on me for a couple of bucks.

The Effects
Got vascular
Put on a inch on bicep
Thats it, i'm not seeing the explosive results people have been taking about for ages now. I could have posted pic but the tattoos make me very recognisable

In 3 weeks at least i wanted some sort of hardness but i still look like 12% bf
Diet is not greatest, but definitely enough to grow lean mass.
Is it normal ? Does tren suddenly changes your body on week 6 or my gear is fake ? What week did you started seeing dramatic change in body ?

Please help

I'm going to chime in only for the fact, you say you have 5 other cycles under your belt, and you are still 70kgs or about 145lbs. You problem isn't the gear, it's your DIET!! Learning how to eat is the most important thing with using gear. Please head over to the nutrition section and one of the gurus will get you on the right track.

Also, that cycle needs to be run longer than you have planned.

Do a little more research and get things straight before jumping on another cycle. You are wasting money.

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Originally Posted by 10nispro

I'm going to chime in only for the fact, you say you have 5 other cycles under your belt, and you are still 70kgs or about 145lbs. You problem isn't the gear, it's your DIET!! Learning how to eat is the most important thing with using gear. Please head over to the nutrition section and one of the gurus will get you on the right track.

Also, that cycle needs to be run longer than you have planned.

Do a little more research and get things straight before jumping on another cycle. You are wasting money.

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Agreed with this. Ontop of that fact you clearly have no idea how to eat, Tren shouldn't be yellow in color - it should be Amber/Orange.

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Originally Posted by JoeKkerr

I'm fairly lean, 70kgs . 12%bf. 5'9.
5 cycles under belt & once slin only cycle.

I decided to try tren this time and this is how my cycle looks, im already 3 weeks into it

Week 1-3 - Tren A 75mg EOD / Test E 300mg EW
Week 4-6 - Tren A 75mg ED / Test E 150 mg EW

Now here's my issue. I can experience strength gain as i after a long time (2 years) started working out again and within 3 weeks i can lift what i was able to at my peak.
I'm having ZERO sides, which means im lucky or my gear is fake, its yellow in color. Bought it from ex Gym Instructor , himself used the same stuff during comp. (at least thats what he said) I can assure he wont cheat on me for a couple of bucks.

The Effects
Got vascular
Put on a inch on bicep
Thats it, i'm not seeing the explosive results people have been taking about for ages now. I could have posted pic but the tattoos make me very recognisable

In 3 weeks at least i wanted some sort of hardness but i still look like 12% bf
Diet is not greatest, but definitely enough to grow lean mass.
Is it normal ? Does tren suddenly changes your body on week 6 or my gear is fake ? What week did you started seeing dramatic change in body ?

Please help

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5'9? @ 143 lbs, and 5 cycles? And your over 10% bf?

Yeah, it's the Tren not working...

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Originally Posted by 10nispro

I'm going to chime in only for the fact, you say you have 5 other cycles under your belt, and you are still 70kgs or about 145lbs. You problem isn't the gear, it's your DIET!! Learning how to eat is the most important thing with using gear. Please head over to the nutrition section and one of the gurus will get you on the right track.

Also, that cycle needs to be run longer than you have planned.

Do a little more research and get things straight before jumping on another cycle. You are wasting money.

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Okay thanks. But the cycles are not consistent back to back
Probably with gap of year or two.

Me weighing 70kgs nw doesn't matter as ive been 86 as well as 94 during deca and bolde cycles. I just give up completely ondiet and training knowing the dark side of bb as natty will never be able to touch roided bber.
So no cycle= no workout & diet. Hence my current weight ( also due to job timing issues)

Thanks for the advice, ill ask for diet there

It does matter - you can't use a past tense body state to justify present tense. Also, the idea that a natural bodybuilder will always be eclipsed by someone who cycles is complete rubbish. That statement applies to the top who want to push the mid/high 200's and be single digit body fat.

For every gym rat that cycles there are just as many natural bodybuilders that look equivalent or better. There's even an entire subclass of competitions for natural bodybuilding and physique shows.

The reality is gear isn't a crutch or replacement for training and diet. If are too mentally weak to only have a hardass training and regimented diet program while on cycle then you will never be successful. All you are doing is wasting your time and money.

On top of the above, if your Tren is yellow instead of amber/orange you were sold fake or extremely underdosed gear

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Originally Posted by JoeKkerr

I'm fairly lean, 70kgs . 12%bf. 5'9.
5 cycles under belt & once slin only cycle.

I decided to try tren this time and this is how my cycle looks, im already 3 weeks into it

Week 1-3 - Tren A 75mg EOD / Test E 300mg EW
Week 4-6 - Tren A 75mg ED / Test E 150 mg EW

Now here's my issue. I can experience strength gain as i after a long time (2 years) started working out again and within 3 weeks i can lift what i was able to at my peak.
I'm having ZERO sides, which means im lucky or my gear is fake, its yellow in color. Bought it from ex Gym Instructor , himself used the same stuff during comp. (at least thats what he said) I can assure he wont cheat on me for a couple of bucks.

The Effects
Got vascular
Put on a inch on bicep
Thats it, i'm not seeing the explosive results people have been taking about for ages now. I could have posted pic but the tattoos make me very recognisable

In 3 weeks at least i wanted some sort of hardness but i still look like 12% bf
Diet is not greatest, but definitely enough to grow lean mass.
Is it normal ? Does tren suddenly changes your body on week 6 or my gear is fake ? What week did you started seeing dramatic change in body ?

Please help

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I find it hard to believe that you have 5 cycles under your belt. What ancillaries are you taking? How did you do pct for the previous cycles? Did you ever make gains? If so, did you lose all the gains?

I think (I hope) you get the point. I know when I used Tren (10 years ago) the gains were insane, but the sides were a pain - Night sweats (more than other "on" times) higher BP, irritable (mainly due to lack of sleeping). I think perhaps your leaning too hard and expecting too much from the gear? Maybe max out your potential then take that motivation and continue your results with gear? Nail down what makes your body grow and get the results you want, I doubt you'll get the wanted results without first finding this blueprint, with or without gear.

This is a learning process. Process.

It take a couple of weeks for the Test E to really take affect in your body. Tren A is a lot faster acting. It would have been better to run Test E only for a couple of weeks before you started running the Tren. If your Tren and Test is real, you'll see gains real soon.