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    DECA dick???

    I want to run deca stacked with test E but have heard that deca dick is very real.

    I was wondering based on anybody's personal experience, does a high test dosage e.g 375mg at 2 times a week run with deca counteract the deca dick???

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    Keep your prolactin in check and you wont have any problems.

    But if you are not in TRT you should consider a different nandrolone ester, deca is just too slow and may hinder recovery for months.

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    I have done 3 cycles with Test C/Deca or Test E/Deca. You don't really get Deca dick while you are taking the test, you will get Deca dick if you stop taking both the Deca and the Test within the same week.

    To avoid Deca dick run the Test 3 weeks longer than the Deca so by the time you go off the Test, the Deca has long since cleared your system - and then start PCT for the Test E 2 weeks after your last Test E injection. This is KEY!!! Deca is super suppressive so you definitely don't want to end them both at the same time, you want to continue running the test for an additional 3 weeks after the last deca injection. I made the mistake of not doing this once and it took me a very long time to recover my natural Test levels (had to do a 2nd PCT and recheck my levels a 2nd time). During the 2nd and 3rd cycles this wasn't an issue because I ran the test longer. You also want to do a solid PCT involving Nolva, Clomid, and HCG after doing Deca.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmax View Post
    I have done 3 cycles with Test C/Deca or Test E/Deca. You don't really get Deca dick while you are taking the test, you will get Deca dick if you stop taking both the Deca and the Test within the same week.

    To avoid Deca dick run the Test 3 weeks longer than the Deca so by the time you go off the Test, the Deca has long since cleared your system - and then start PCT for the Test E 2 weeks after your last Test E injection. This is KEY!!! Deca is super suppressive so you definitely don't want to end them both at the same time, you want to continue running the test for an additional 3 weeks after the last deca injection. I made the mistake of not doing this once and it took me a very long time to recover my natural Test levels (had to do a 2nd PCT and recheck my levels a 2nd time). During the 2nd and 3rd cycles this wasn't an issue because I ran the test longer. You also want to do a solid PCT involving Nolva, Clomid, and HCG after doing Deca.
    Yes, always good to run your test a while longer than deca. While on cycle, keep estro and prolactin in.check and you should avoid any issues. I do run into issues still once in a while even when keeping my levels in check, but it comes on after cycle and if i do end up with issues, sometimes takes me a couple months to get back to normal. I have never had an exact reason why, as a couple times, there was no tangible reason for it, just happened. Deca can be a touchy thing depending on the person. But follow the general advice for using it and usually you can avoid alot if not all of the issues

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    I've got arimidex to keep my estrogen level in check but how do I manage prolactin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymtherapy View Post
    I've got arimidex to keep my estrogen level in check but how do I manage prolactin?
    You need a DA if your prolactin level goes up. I manage my e and never need it on Deca
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymtherapy View Post
    I want to run deca stacked with test E but have heard that deca dick is very real.

    I was wondering based on anybody's personal experience, does a high test dosage e.g 375mg at 2 times a week run with deca counteract the deca dick???
    From personal experience I can tell you that more than likely you will run into prolactin issues with nandrolone . Very rarely, at low doses, does one not have issues but I wouldn't expect to be one of them.

    IMO it is better to have test higher than deca (this is debatable as everyone is different) but it won't keep you from experiencing prolactin sides. Logically, one would think that higher test levels would "override" the increased prolactin from the nandrolone, but it doesn't work like that.

    Whether your test is high or not, you will need to control your prolactin levels. It's actually easier to do so if your test isn't so high due to estrogen conversion from the elevated test. Prolactin needs estrogen (I don't know the specifics and don't have time to pull references atm) but if you keep your estrogen in check then your prolactin will stay in check as well. The only time IMO one needs a drug to specifically lower prolactin is if one is running very high doses of 19nors (deca, tren )..

    For me, taking adex wasn't quite enough to keep prolactin low enough so I added in proviron . Everyone is different, but for me, I start experiencing sexual sides on pretty low doses of 19 nors (tren at 50mg eod, deca at 300 per week) will give me probs. I've heard of other doing double that and not having any issues (so they say...or maybe they're not in a relationship/sexually active and haven't noticed the sides).

    It's always better to be prepared though. So I would recommend staying diligent with taking your AI and add proviron to your cycle if running a 19nor steroid . Proviron helps blunt estrogen and prolactin AND it has the added bonus of lowering SHBG which in turn will elevate your free test). It's a subtle but very effective drug IMHO. It also keeps you dry and hard which will limit the bloating you'll get from deca.

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    I don't know if "deca dick" is real but if you mess up your hormone levels then ED is a real possibility. With any compound.

    I ran 800mg Test/500mg Deca/600mg Mast/50mg day Proviron for 14 weeks. Also .25mg Adex 3x week and .25mg Caber 2x week. My sex drive throughout was off the charts! It the Deca curbed it at all that's a good thing! Or I'd have been humping everything that moved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDThunder View Post
    I don't know if "deca dick" is real but if you mess up your hormone levels then ED is a real possibility. With any compound.

    I ran 800mg Test/500mg Deca/600mg Mast/50mg day Proviron for 14 weeks. Also .25mg Adex 3x week and .25mg Caber 2x week. My sex drive throughout was off the charts! It the Deca curbed it at all that's a good thing! Or I'd have been humping everything that moved!
    It's not sex drive that gets affected. It's the ability to establish and maintain an erection and the ability to finish that gets affected. That's what's ironic about it, your libido goes way up but your ability to do something about it goes way down...

    I guess the steroid gods have a sense of humor lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    From personal experience I can tell you that more than likely you will run into prolactin issues with nandrolone . Very rarely, at low doses, does one not have issues but I wouldn't expect to be one of them.

    IMO it is better to have test higher than deca (this is debatable as everyone is different) but it won't keep you from experiencing prolactin sides. Logically, one would think that higher test levels would "override" the increased prolactin from the nandrolone, but it doesn't work like that.

    Whether your test is high or not, you will need to control your prolactin levels. It's actually easier to do so if your test isn't so high due to estrogen conversion from the elevated test. Prolactin needs estrogen (I don't know the specifics and don't have time to pull references atm) but if you keep your estrogen in check then your prolactin will stay in check as well. The only time IMO one needs a drug to specifically lower prolactin is if one is running very high doses of 19nors (deca, tren )..

    For me, taking adex wasn't quite enough to keep prolactin low enough so I added in proviron . Everyone is different, but for me, I start experiencing sexual sides on pretty low doses of 19 nors (tren at 50mg eod, deca at 300 per week) will give me probs. I've heard of other doing double that and not having any issues (so they say...or maybe they're not in a relationship/sexually active and haven't noticed the sides).

    It's always better to be prepared though. So I would recommend staying diligent with taking your AI and add proviron to your cycle if running a 19nor steroid. Proviron helps blunt estrogen and prolactin AND it has the added bonus of lowering SHBG which in turn will elevate your free test). It's a subtle but very effective drug IMHO. It also keeps you dry and hard which will limit the bloating you'll get from deca.
    Alpha, where did u get info concerning proviron blunting prolactin? Ive seen alot of claims about the different effects of proviron and although i havent spent an enormous amount of time on it, the only semi reliable info ive ever come across was comcerning fertility, a small amount of unsubstantiated info related to bipolar, and its "affinity" toward shbg at a level which it appears nobody has been able to really effectively determine.

    I considered adding it into my protocol, and even what is out there about it seems beneficial, im just looking for more info if i can get it, especially with my love of deca

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    It's not sex drive that gets affected. It's the ability to establish and maintain an erection and the ability to finish that gets affected. That's what's ironic about it, your libido goes way up but your ability to do something about it goes way down...

    I guess the steroid gods have a sense of humor lol.
    Perhaps I wasn't clear. To me sex drive means being able to act on the urge. Hard ons at will. Having 4-6 sex sessions to completion with my girlfriend in a typical weekend is the norm. 2 times on Weds. nights. Those are the only times we see each other. That's while on the gear i mentioned. I'm almost 57 so that's pretty damn good I'd say.

    Your mileage may vary. Can't say it would work for you. We're all different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDThunder View Post
    Perhaps I wasn't clear. To me sex drive means being able to act on the urge. Hard ons at will. Having 4-6 sex sessions to completion with my girlfriend in a typical weekend is the norm. 2 times on Weds. nights. Those are the only times we see each other. That's while on the gear i mentioned. I'm almost 57 so that's pretty damn good I'd say.

    Your mileage may vary. Can't say it would work for you. We're all different.
    Yeah was a slight miscommunication, but shit man I'd say that's pretty damn good even for a young guy in his prime!

    And that was while on 600mg deca , huh..? You're one of the lucky ones in that respect. Then again, you were also taking a lot of ancillaries so sounds like you found the perfect balance of adex, proviron , and caber... Did you run all of those from the start?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannyboy51577 View Post
    Alpha, where did u get info concerning proviron blunting prolactin? Ive seen alot of claims about the different effects of proviron and although i havent spent an enormous amount of time on it, the only semi reliable info ive ever come across was comcerning fertility, a small amount of unsubstantiated info related to bipolar, and its "affinity" toward shbg at a level which it appears nobody has been able to really effectively determine.

    I considered adding it into my protocol, and even what is out there about it seems beneficial, im just looking for more info if i can get it, especially with my love of deca
    Good question bro. I found out about it cause one of my buddies that competes was on the same gear I was at the time (I think it was just test and tren at the time) and I was having a hard time keeping it up (which I resolved with cialis) but I also had a very difficult time finishing.

    He mentioned that he used to have the same prob so his coach put him on proviron and he hasn't had probs since. I had just started dating my current girl and really needed to fix this prob before she started questioning shit (you know how that goes!) "I don't turn you on", "why can't i make you cum?", "am I not attractive enough for you?"....Contrary to popular belief (especially among women) I'm actually a big softy and don't like hurting people's feelings so I wanted to resolve this shit asap!

    Anyway, long story short, he had an extra bottle for me and after prob 3 or 4 days the issue went away..! So tbh I don't know the exact science behind it but I know it works!

    As you mentioned, it does decrease SHBG which increases free test which may very well be part of why it works, but it also is very effective at decreasing circulating estrogen which I believe would indirectly lower prolactin as well.

    That's the best I can answer your question brother hope that helps!

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    So much good info here lads. Thanks heaps. Looks like deca , procuring and a steady dose of adex will be added to my next coming cycle. LEGENDS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDThunder View Post
    Perhaps I wasn't clear. To me sex drive means being able to act on the urge. Hard ons at will. Having 4-6 sex sessions to completion with my girlfriend in a typical weekend is the norm. 2 times on Weds. nights. Those are the only times we see each other. That's while on the gear i mentioned. I'm almost 57 so that's pretty damn good I'd say.

    Your mileage may vary. Can't say it would work for you. We're all different.
    Absolute animal mate. That's how you I was on my test/dbol /sunny cycle. I'd love to have the same labido, hard on factor with deca added into it. To be honest the high libido is one of my favourite things about being on.

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    I am running Deca right now and added Caber at 0.25 twice/wk as I started noticing some issues.

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    Deca dick's real and it just happens. It's not permanent so if you want to run Deca, just know what you're getting into and run it. Running Test for 3 wks before and a couple of weeks after the Deca on your cycle is a good idea. But just figure you're going to have erectile issues during your cycle so you don't panic. It's just a part of the cycle. No big deal. You can catch up with your gf when you're done with your cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02 View Post
    You can catch up with your gf when you're done with your cycle.
    Married 18-years so running Deca cycle is a normal 14-week between "sessions" anyway ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDThunder View Post
    Perhaps I wasn't clear. To me sex drive means being able to act on the urge. Hard ons at will. Having 4-6 sex sessions to completion with my girlfriend in a typical weekend is the norm. 2 times on Weds. nights. Those are the only times we see each other. That's while on the gear i mentioned. I'm almost 57 so that's pretty damn good I'd say.

    Your mileage may vary. Can't say it would work for you. We're all different.
    Wow, that's insane. I used to wear my wife out when I was "on" She loved the first couple weeks, then was practically telling me to take care of myself (masturbate) so she could keep up. Brings a whole new meaning to "That's a dick move" eh?

    Deca I has some performance issues, but I was still able to perform.

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    I always run a deca cycle with sustanon , anti-estrogen steroid Arimidex , and then 3 weeks later run PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Mendoza View Post
    I always run a deca cycle with sustanon, anti-estrogen steroid Arimidex, and then 3 weeks later run PCT.
    Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor not a steroid . Not being a dick just clarifying so you have the right info

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02 View Post
    Deca dick's real and it just happens. It's not permanent so if you want to run Deca, just know what you're getting into and run it. Running Test for 3 wks before and a couple of weeks after the Deca on your cycle is a good idea. But just figure you're going to have erectile issues during your cycle so you don't panic. It's just a part of the cycle. No big deal. You can catch up with your gf when you're done with your cycle.
    This is me. Everyone is different but on a Nor-19, with an AI, with caber, with a Proviron bump, with my bloods all looking good (with my age) I'll still have ED issues.

    Never tried it with real high test tho.
    Never tried it with elevated E2. Too risky that

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    No Hcg , that will just keep you from producing your own L.h, hcg should be taken in small dose (250iu) twice a week while on gear.

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    Some people say Deca dick is caused by prolactin and you need Cabergoline, and they are all wrong.
    That's tren dick.
    Read studies, deca does not cause prolactin increase beyond a marginal amount compared to TESTOSTERONE . I swear these kids just repeat the broscience they were spoon fed, no one reads anything.

    Deca dick is caused by a metabolite called DHN. DHN competes with DHT to attach to the respective DHT receptor. DHT is the primary hormone for sexual strength in males. Low DHT = ED, low libido etc. This DHN is why you get deca dick. It has nothing to do with more testosterone, taking cialis/tadilifil, prolactin.

    Therefore, to overcome deca dick you need to take a DHT-compound such as Masteron or Proviron . This will beat the DHN.

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