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    hcg question

    1- would you consider Taxus Tamoxifeno 20mg oral tablets as HCG ? Reading on it it seems close to nolvadex
    If so how would i convert 250 iu to mg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boxinggsxr View Post
    1- would you consider Taxus Tamoxifeno 20mg oral tablets as HCG ? Reading on it it seems close to nolvadex
    If so how would i convert 250 iu to mg?

    Not sure where or what you read but Tamoxifen and HCG are two completely different drugs for two entirely different purposes.

    Tamoxifen is a SERM that helps with estrogen management and can be used in treating gyno (chest). HCG is used to mimic LH/FSH in the presence of exogenous testosterone (testicles). The body parts affected aren't even close together let alone the drugs.
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    NO! Tamoxifen is NOT HCG ! Not even close. Like Windex said, two different drugs that treat two very different things that are totally unrelated. Get real HCG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Not sure where or what you read but Tamoxifen and HCG are two completely different drugs for two entirely different purposes.

    Tamoxifen is a SERM that helps with estrogen management and can be used in treating gyno (chest). HCG is used to mimic LH/FSH in the presence of exogenous testosterone (testicles). The body parts affected aren't even close together let alone the drugs.
    Thank you!!! I wanted to double check since a guy said its the same thing and not needed but that thats what they use in mexico but i figured he was wrong from the way he answered. Thanks, cycle one is still postponed

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    Ok so told another local guy about this and should be getting Pregnyl or he also recommended clomiphene citrate 50mg eod.

    I think I'm going to get pregnyl since all i need is a real hcg to finish off the stack, which would you guys recommend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boxinggsxr View Post
    Ok so told another local guy about this and should be getting Pregnyl or he also recommended clomiphene citrate 50mg eod.

    I think I'm going to get pregnyl since all i need is a real hcg to finish off the stack, which would you guys recommend?
    Man you are getting some shitty advice, Tamoxifen and Clomid as substitutions for HCG ? Clearly they do not know what each does. Both are PCT meds where the HCG is used on cycle. You said you ordered HCG, you'll also need Bacteriostatic Water too. Don't mix it with the sodium amp that comes with Pregnyl. That is a one time use . The Bac Water will preserve the HCG to use throughout the cycle at 250ius - 2x per week.
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    I think you need to read more. Stop taking advice from bros and read what the experts on here advise. Start with planning your first cycle. Don’t jump into a cycle until you understand what all of these compounds do. Don’t just take anything blindly because someone else said you should. I don’t even trust doctors when they give me drugs, I always read up to fully understand what’s going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fit_deskjocky View Post
    Man you are getting some shitty advice, Tamoxifen and Clomid as substitutions for HCG? Clearly they do not know what each does. Both are PCT meds where the HCG is used on cycle. You said you ordered HCG, you'll also need Bacteriostatic Water too. Don't mix it with the sodium amp that comes with Pregnyl. That is a one time use . The Bac Water will preserve the HCG to use throughout the cycle at 250ius - 2x per week.
    You'd be surprised at the cycles (no pct, no hcg half of the stuff listed on here they say is not needed but I want to do this as safe as possible so I appreciate all the advise) people run in my area its crazy but I also live right on the boarder to mexico where everything is literally down the street.

    The "HCG" he gave me was tamoxifeno but im guessing I dont need it since I already have the nolvadex right? My new guy said to get the Pregnyl as HCG, does that sound good or am I needing something else to use as HCG? Awesome thanks for the advise on Bac water I hadn't seen that in the newb 1st cycle planning thread.

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    Stop listening to what people at the gym say or do. Literally don't even listen to them if they talk about gear, think about puppies or whatever else and just pretend to listen. Read all the educational threads at leas twice. Stop getting everything except a bottle of water from anyone at the gym - you need to source gear yourself. Relying on other people as middle men is setting yourself up for failure down the road. Chances are they are giving you UGL instead of Pharmagrade too which is even worse. You can't leave estrogen control up to chance - unless you don't mind ending up with boobs and borrowing a bra from a female friend.

    I wouldn't recommend worrying about cycling. until you've spent a lot more time educating yourself and fully understanding why and what you are going to be putting into your body. Lack of education and ignorance is one of the reasons why people end up with permanent health problems for the rest of their lives from steroids .

    Reading the first cycle thread is a start but it's not enough. You need to understand what a SERM is, their purpose, the purpose of HCG , the importance of bloodwork (what each test is meant for and what the levels/ranges mean), how exogenous testosterone affects your body, how nutrition affects steroids, and so on. Without this foundation of knowledge you will not be able to control the negatives that come with steroid use but you also won't get the full benefit of the positives either because you won't understand what's going on in your body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxinggsxr View Post
    You'd be surprised at the cycles (no pct, no hcg half of the stuff listed on here they say is not needed but I want to do this as safe as possible so I appreciate all the advise) people run in my area its crazy but I also live right on the boarder to mexico where everything is literally down the street.

    The "HCG" he gave me was tamoxifeno but im guessing I dont need it since I already have the nolvadex right? My new guy said to get the Pregnyl as HCG, does that sound good or am I needing something else to use as HCG? Awesome thanks for the advise on Bac water I hadn't seen that in the newb 1st cycle planning thread.


    Few things here.

    Tamoxifeno is the labs name for tamoxifen . Tamoxifen is the generic drug name for Nolvadex .

    Think like this VICODIN = hydrocodone 5mg and acetominophen 500mg.

    One is brand name Vicodin, other is generic Vicodin.

    Clomid is similar to Nolvadex. Both are serms, snd used pct. Nolvadex is alot of times used on or during cycle. Clomid has no use during cycle.

    Nolvadex will block e2 receptor sites in nipples helping to prevent gyno if your AI is not working or is not enough or you just need extra protection.

    Hcg is Human Chrorionic gonadotropin. It's used to prevent testicles from shrinking and helping pct commence easier.

    Hcg is not used in pct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Stop listening to what people at the gym say or do. Literally don't even listen to them if they talk about gear, think about puppies or whatever else and just pretend to listen. Read all the educational threads at leas twice. Stop getting everything except a bottle of water from anyone at the gym - you need to source gear yourself. Relying on other people as middle men is setting yourself up for failure down the road. Chances are they are giving you UGL instead of Pharmagrade too which is even worse. You can't leave estrogen control up to chance - unless you don't mind ending up with boobs and borrowing a bra from a female friend.

    I wouldn't recommend worrying about cycling. until you've spent a lot more time educating yourself and fully understanding why and what you are going to be putting into your body. Lack of education and ignorance is one of the reasons why people end up with permanent health problems for the rest of their lives from steroids .

    Reading the first cycle thread is a start but it's not enough. You need to understand what a SERM is, their purpose, the purpose of HCG, the importance of bloodwork (what each test is meant for and what the levels/ranges mean), how exogenous testosterone affects your body, how nutrition affects steroids, and so on. Without this foundation of knowledge you will not be able to control the negatives that come with steroid use but you also won't get the full benefit of the positives either because you won't understand what's going on in your body.
    I completly agree with you and am not starting the cycle, I am getting pieces together but won't start because I still need pre blood work. I know you guys get bugged about a bunch of newbs starting way to soon and I don't want to be one of the typical guys that go down that road so I truely appreciate the feedback. What other threads would you recommend (since i'm trying to run a test only cycle with trying to control and monitor the affects?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    Few things here.

    Tamoxifeno is the labs name for tamoxifen . Tamoxifen is the generic drug name for Nolvadex .

    Think like this VICODIN = hydrocodone 5mg and acetominophen 500mg.

    One is brand name Vicodin, other is generic Vicodin.

    Clomid is similar to Nolvadex. Both are serms, snd used pct. Nolvadex is alot of times used on or during cycle. Clomid has no use during cycle.

    Nolvadex will block e2 receptor sites in nipples helping to prevent gyno if your AI is not working or is not enough or you just need extra protection.

    Hcg is Human Chrorionic gonadotropin. It's used to prevent testicles from shrinking and helping pct commence easier.

    Hcg is not used in pct.
    Thanks for the reply and clearing up that for me. When I searched online it said the Pregnyl was HCG is that wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boxinggsxr View Post
    Thanks for the reply and clearing up that for me. When I searched online it said the Pregnyl was HCG is that wrong?
    No, it's not wrong

    Hcg is generic name of drug.

    Pregnyl is organon pharmaceuticals name brand version

    There is a few other brands, Hucog, and such.
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